Agreed. My iPhone 4 only suffered in areas were service was poor to begin with. I gorilla-gripped mine in areas with great service and never saw the bars drop.
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Scott Forstall Reportedly Forced Out of Apple
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Agreed. My iPhone 4 only suffered in areas were service was poor to begin with. I gorilla-gripped mine in areas with great service and never saw the bars drop.
Talk about a bad news / good news story! Sad to see Scott, who is obviously so passionate about iOS and Apple, fall out like this. While I'm not a great fan of the increasing 'skeuomorphism', I'll bet we have Scott to thank for a lot of great things about iOS.
But Jonathan Ive now heading up Apple's Human Interface teams?! FANTASTIC NEWS!! To those saying, meh, he only knows hardware, and this could all fail… Come on… This is Apple! Jobs didn't get Apple to where it is today without taking risks—huge risks. I think it's encouraging to see that Cook isn't afraid to take risks too.
And Apple is also supposed to be about the unparalleled synthesis of hardware and software. Visually though, there's been this awkward incongruity between the two, which of late, only seems to be growing wider—between the elegant minimalism of the hardware, and the cluttered skeuomorphism of the user interface. What better than for one man to oversee both?
I'm excited to see what comes out of this.
But Jonathan Ive now heading up Apple's Human Interface teams?! FANTASTIC NEWS!! To those saying, meh, he only knows hardware, and this could all fail… Come on… This is Apple! Jobs didn't get Apple to where it is today without taking risks—huge risks. I think it's encouraging to see that Cook isn't afraid to take risks too.
And Apple is also supposed to be about the unparalleled synthesis of hardware and software. Visually though, there's been this awkward incongruity between the two, which of late, only seems to be growing wider—between the elegant minimalism of the hardware, and the cluttered skeuomorphism of the user interface. What better than for one man to oversee both?
I'm excited to see what comes out of this.
Well the OS X interface IS becoming more and more plain as time goes on. Compare 10.3 to 10.6, gone are the pinstripes, the colored apple, hell most of the color in general. You have a very basic looking UI which stands in stark contrast to the SHINY SHINY SHINY default Windows themes....
"One day, Scotty Dog, I'm going to eradicate ALL your skeuomorphic crap."
"Oh, Jony. You're so funny. Don't you know I'm the NeXT big thing..?"
The only reason I have been sticking with the iPhone is its physical design. It is a GORGEOUS device. And the credit goes to Sir Jonathan Ive.
iOS, apart from its simplicity and apps, is an embarrassment really. To stick with the same springboard design for years. And then bringing the not so functional notification center. Absolutely ridiculous.
Can't wait to see what Sir Ive has in store for us in the coming years..
iOS, apart from its simplicity and apps, is an embarrassment really. To stick with the same springboard design for years. And then bringing the not so functional notification center. Absolutely ridiculous.
Can't wait to see what Sir Ive has in store for us in the coming years..
yes I loved Forstall's Time Machine presentation! That was done so beautifully and MANY of us where elated by the freshness of that presentation.
Back to reality ... iOS has been simple, yet effective and THAT is why the iPhone sells so well - beyond the hardware improvements which have always been great! However I've said it last year and its seems now I'm correct ... Those of use as seasoned iOS users - pretty much any iOS user - has evolved and wants more power along with the efficiency & simplicity.
exactly, Steve just came out, pulled the iPhone 4, said it works fine for me. Look at the competitors, they are worse so just hold you stuff properly. To shut you whiners up, have a damn case FFS.
If Marissa Mayer from Google can work for Yahoo then I guess Scott can work for Microsoft too.
The way I see it, the risk is pretty minimal, unless the next major iOS revision bombs. Android OS is at the point where it is an equal alternative, if not better. Gone are the days where Apple need not worry about the competition. And what's worse, Windows Phone 8 is drawing interest as well.
With whatever changes Ive brings to the table, it will only benefit Apple in drawing interest back to iOS.
I for one don't think its stale, it works for me, Maps works where I live, and it's probably the best product I've ever owned. But I can see where people might argue its boring and want to try something different. This is where Apple can strike back.
Last thing I want to get in, I never understood why Forstall specifically demo'd and touted sports scores from Siri... not only once but TWICE (both at WWDC and at the iPhone announcement). This was honestly as bad as Samsung's constant touting of S-Beam.
With whatever changes Ive brings to the table, it will only benefit Apple in drawing interest back to iOS.
I for one don't think its stale, it works for me, Maps works where I live, and it's probably the best product I've ever owned. But I can see where people might argue its boring and want to try something different. This is where Apple can strike back.
Last thing I want to get in, I never understood why Forstall specifically demo'd and touted sports scores from Siri... not only once but TWICE (both at WWDC and at the iPhone announcement). This was honestly as bad as Samsung's constant touting of S-Beam.
Mansfield back in big time? That is only good news. Maybe I'll wait for the next, next iMac.
Nah; I've already placed a preliminary order with my favorite online vendor just to get near the beginning of the queue when the 27" iMac ships in December.
Mansfield is a tremendous asset to Apple. If Ive is really sh#tcanning that awful skeumorphic trend in iOS and OSX, I'm much more optimistic about Apple's future.
Nah; I've already placed a preliminary order with my favorite online vendor just to get near the beginning of the queue when the 27" iMac ships in December.
Mansfield is a tremendous asset to Apple. If Ive is really sh#tcanning that awful skeumorphic trend in iOS and OSX, I'm much more optimistic about Apple's future.
To be honest what could they do? Ive and his team have pushed the limits of the materials available. All they can do is work with the components that exist it's not like graphene or carbon nanotubes are ready for roll out in consumer products yet
He has experimented with plastics, glass, titanium, steel and aluminum. The iPhone 5 I believe is the thinnest smart phone with LTE?
There isn't really much he can add to the industrial design of his products because his whole philosophy is simplicity. Clean lines, devoid of buttons, stickers, holes and other nonsense. When you look at all the other phones and notebooks on the market that go through radical redesigns can you even tell which design is newer? Some of Dells older XPS notebooks look a lot nicer visually than their current line up. That isn't so for Apples stuff, the newer stuff always looks more up to date and modern and there is never any question about which is the newer design it is always obvious.
One of the big things Ive always talks about is in product videos is his belief in defining what a product is in its most basic form. With a notebook you have the screen the keyboard and the track pad. Then you need good speakers and some ports. And that is exactly what you get. The camera is hidden in the black bezel goes largely unnoticed. The sleep indicator was likewise hidden from view behind a thinly laser etched aluminum cut out making it too hidden from view until used. You can expect his designs to only become more simple, I believe the new rMBP doesn't have a battery indicator on the side, an infrared port or a sleep indicator. The more he takes away from his designs the harder it will be for him to drastically alter them as you so desire because all the basic components his basing his designs on will become the design itself as everything else is removed.
I am sure Scott will land well somewhere. It could well be an opportunity for him. Meanwhile, on to cleaner, more holistic UI.
He's probably subject to a non-compete agreement, at least for some period of time.
Agreed, there is still tons of skeumorphism in tech design. When I play a song on iTunes, there's a funky little blue speaker next to it. The Spotlight search in OS X still has a magnifying glass as its icon. The OS X dock mimics a glass shelf. Even a modern designed site like Fast Co. Design has a calendar that kind of looks like a regular wall calendar. The Settings icon in iOS and OS X has sprockets (insert Mike Meyers). Safari is a compass.
It's when the entire app is too slavishly designed to look like that icon or image from the past that people get opinionated. It's fine if it's sort of a gimmick or meant to be cute or even esoteric, but something like a calendar is meant to be used daily. Then again, take a look at the Weather Dial app for iOS, which is gorgeus, but also skeumorphic (and I've found to withstand regular use better than something that's natively designed, such as the Solar app).
Weather Dial (formerly WTHR):
Solar:
Wow, I'm still trying to wrap my head over this announcement. Can't wait for all the background info to really start leaking out.
Don't understand why so much hate on skeumorphism. It is a design option but not the cause of the problems. Browsing Apps in iPhone has become a painful process, in especial when comes to App folders. How many iOS releases without real icons for App folders? That's a serious handicap. Anybody agreeing?
If what you read about Forstall is true--almost all negative--then he deserved to be ousted. There are very few pricks who are genius enough to be tolerated. Apparently Forstall wasn't one. The intelligencerick ratio wasn't high enough. If he's actually a stand up guy then I apologize for this post.
rick ratio wasn't high enough. If he's actually a stand up guy then I apologize for this post.
It is kind of sad that Scott Forstall was forced to left the company, but this is the beginning of a new Apple under Tim Cook. Hopefully Jony Ive can make some bold changes to iOS, like what he did with Apple's product designs: the iMac, the MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPods.
LMAO!!! I pissed myself seeing this.
Lord Cook, I've done everything in my power to make Apple Mapsssss.... Ugggh maaa aaa arrrrgh!
A recurring theme amongst the comments here is that iOS is boring and stale, and people are switching to other platforms which offer more bells and whistles. In many ways, I think this says more about the consumer than the product, and many of them come back to iOS when they discover that the grass wasn't as green as they thought it was.
Aesthetically, I prefer the look of Microsoft's Windows Phone OS over iOS. But after playing with it for a while, I just don't think I'd be as productive in it. I've also played around with Android devices whenever I've had the chance, and they neither look better nor behave better IMO.
The best interface is one that gets out of your way and lets you get to your apps and content—not one that bends over backwards to get noticed. I think we'll see Siri become an even more integral part of that over time, where talking to your phone to request information becomes more commonplace, and the touch interface becomes less important.
So, if you're expecting the interface to gain more bells and whistles under Ive, I suspect you might be disappointed.
Aesthetically, I prefer the look of Microsoft's Windows Phone OS over iOS. But after playing with it for a while, I just don't think I'd be as productive in it. I've also played around with Android devices whenever I've had the chance, and they neither look better nor behave better IMO.
The best interface is one that gets out of your way and lets you get to your apps and content—not one that bends over backwards to get noticed. I think we'll see Siri become an even more integral part of that over time, where talking to your phone to request information becomes more commonplace, and the touch interface becomes less important.
So, if you're expecting the interface to gain more bells and whistles under Ive, I suspect you might be disappointed.
Ive can design, but he can't code. I actually loved Steve Forestall's enthusiasm and voice during the keynotes. I'm dreading his presence being replaced by Craig Federighi. Ugh. I buy Apple products and like what they have now, but Apple's seriously going to die with this new leadership.