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Scott Forstall Reportedly Forced Out of Apple
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Yeah I know what you mean. He is still a relatively young guy (early 40s) up on stage. Compared to the others who all have white hair...baby boomers generation.
Maps is misdirection as an excuse to dispose of Forstall. Maps was a 0.1 beta and everyone knew it rather than keeping a "Star Trek" version running for the past 10 years.
He was let go for other reasons, several of which have been posted. He is being kept on simply so he can capture his stock options. Once the last one is exercised he is gone.
Besides, once he departs, CA law lets him do a similar job for a competitor, so Apple keeping him in a clean room for almost a year, dampens the possible risk to first mover advantage.
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He was let go for other reasons, several of which have been posted. He is being kept on simply so he can capture his stock options. Once the last one is exercised he is gone.
Besides, once he departs, CA law lets him do a similar job for a competitor, so Apple keeping him in a clean room for almost a year, dampens the possible risk to first mover advantage.
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You gotta be kidding. Scott Forstall wanted, badly, to be Steve Jobs. But he's not. He's just an Elvis impersonator, and an especially annoying one at that.
I should add that Scott is probably a good developer, having been on the NeXT team. But he has no taste and his ideas were bad, and you can only have Steve Jobs arrogance if your ideas and taste are better than everyone else's.
If this means less skeuomorphism, then I'm in favor of this change. IMO the amount of skeuomorphism Apple has been using is starting to make parts of the iOS and Mac OS seem cartoonish, childish, and tacky. There is a difference between a clean, simple, and elegant design compared to a simple childish skeuomorphic look.
Hey, why doesn't Tim Cook step down after the well concealed iPad 3 debacle.
Oh, you all don't know about that?
The fact that once the iPad 3's battery drains you can't use the goddamn thing with the power cord until the battery reaches a certain amount of charge.
My girlfriend took mine back after the return period for a FULL REFUND. The manager told her it WAS an issue but Apple had done a good job keeping that eff up under wraps. She didn't say that. I am.
IMHO the earlier than normal release of the iPad 4 was nothing but a fix like a revision with some added bells and whistles.
One thing is for sure, that retina display in the newest iPads are freaking awesome.
Oh, you all don't know about that?
The fact that once the iPad 3's battery drains you can't use the goddamn thing with the power cord until the battery reaches a certain amount of charge.
My girlfriend took mine back after the return period for a FULL REFUND. The manager told her it WAS an issue but Apple had done a good job keeping that eff up under wraps. She didn't say that. I am.
IMHO the earlier than normal release of the iPad 4 was nothing but a fix like a revision with some added bells and whistles.
One thing is for sure, that retina display in the newest iPads are freaking awesome.
This is HUGE for Apple...and in a good way.
The one thing Apple falls behind on for it's iOS is the skeuomorphic features...it really is distasteful and looks like someone who isn't a designer created them.
WebOS and Microsoft R8 both are superior in UI design, especially MS's new RT...it has what a OS should look like...which is a cohesive look across all the major apps and programs.
I can't wait to see what Ive comes up with...guaranteed it's very sleek and very easy to use but has a very cohesive fell across the OS.
The one thing Apple falls behind on for it's iOS is the skeuomorphic features...it really is distasteful and looks like someone who isn't a designer created them.
WebOS and Microsoft R8 both are superior in UI design, especially MS's new RT...it has what a OS should look like...which is a cohesive look across all the major apps and programs.
I can't wait to see what Ive comes up with...guaranteed it's very sleek and very easy to use but has a very cohesive fell across the OS.
I quite like some of the skeuomorphic designs. Like Reminders, PassBook, Notes, Cards, Contacts, etc.
But Calendar, Game Centre (who uses it?) and iBooks are not very nice. I'm indifferent on Podcasts, while I personally like it, it took me a long time to know where all the features were hidden not something one expects on an Apple device.
But Calendar, Game Centre (who uses it?) and iBooks are not very nice. I'm indifferent on Podcasts, while I personally like it, it took me a long time to know where all the features were hidden not something one expects on an Apple device.
All the iOS devices are like that. When fully drained, the battery has to charge to a certain level before it'll boot. My Galaxy S3 and Nexus 7 behave the same way. There's no conspiracy.
Where's the Why?
I've been appreciative of Apple since I first touched an Apple II+ in 1983. When Jobs came back in 1997 he renewed my strong interest in all thing Apple because he brought the purpose back to Apple; to "think different", and make incredible products that people loved to own. Simon Sinek did a TED talk in 2010 showing how Apple succeeded with a "why" approach, while other companies did not as they began with a "what" approach. The "why" speaks to the heart, the "what" speaks to the mind.
IMO Jobs was the "why" and Cook is the "what".
Jobs loved to give us products that we could happily interact with, waiting in line to buy them. He hired people that felt the same way, and also followed the leader. The people who stuck with Jobs got the "why" of Apple.
Cook seems to give us our great products, but is more concerned with investor relationships and how the company is perceived in the media and public. He hired Browett from an "what" position, and Browett never understood, at least publicly, the purpose and passion of Apple, it's employees, and its buyers of awesome products.
At the last event to intro the iPad Mini, I felt Cook exhibited no passion, but knew the right words to speak. Schiller even seemed to go through the motions. Forstall may use lots of adjectives, but he still had the passion for the product.
I use Apple products because they are intuitive, and pleasing to my eye. I recommend them to others also for the same reasons. I will admit though, my love for all things Apple has wained over the past year, which coincidentally is timed with Steve Jobs' death. When he passed, the passion of a leader and his company passed too, replaced with a caretaker of a successful company, but unable to be what Jobs was, because it was never his passion, just his paycheck.
I've been appreciative of Apple since I first touched an Apple II+ in 1983. When Jobs came back in 1997 he renewed my strong interest in all thing Apple because he brought the purpose back to Apple; to "think different", and make incredible products that people loved to own. Simon Sinek did a TED talk in 2010 showing how Apple succeeded with a "why" approach, while other companies did not as they began with a "what" approach. The "why" speaks to the heart, the "what" speaks to the mind.
IMO Jobs was the "why" and Cook is the "what".
Jobs loved to give us products that we could happily interact with, waiting in line to buy them. He hired people that felt the same way, and also followed the leader. The people who stuck with Jobs got the "why" of Apple.
Cook seems to give us our great products, but is more concerned with investor relationships and how the company is perceived in the media and public. He hired Browett from an "what" position, and Browett never understood, at least publicly, the purpose and passion of Apple, it's employees, and its buyers of awesome products.
At the last event to intro the iPad Mini, I felt Cook exhibited no passion, but knew the right words to speak. Schiller even seemed to go through the motions. Forstall may use lots of adjectives, but he still had the passion for the product.
I use Apple products because they are intuitive, and pleasing to my eye. I recommend them to others also for the same reasons. I will admit though, my love for all things Apple has wained over the past year, which coincidentally is timed with Steve Jobs' death. When he passed, the passion of a leader and his company passed too, replaced with a caretaker of a successful company, but unable to be what Jobs was, because it was never his passion, just his paycheck.
Gone Askew...
Why couldn't Apple have just toggled the skumorphisims IN SETTINGS... ???
Then we could have both the simplest to use and/or aesthetically pleasing design as well as the most functional design... Two interfaces? Yes... Too much work? Yeah, maybe your right and there is such a thing as too high of quality... I guess that's not why people like apple products...
This design war is foolish!!!
Also I sure hope this wasn't a Scott or Jonathan ultimatum deal...
That would be quite foolish as well...
Why couldn't Apple have just toggled the skumorphisims IN SETTINGS... ???
Then we could have both the simplest to use and/or aesthetically pleasing design as well as the most functional design... Two interfaces? Yes... Too much work? Yeah, maybe your right and there is such a thing as too high of quality... I guess that's not why people like apple products...
This design war is foolish!!!
Also I sure hope this wasn't a Scott or Jonathan ultimatum deal...
That would be quite foolish as well...
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1st, skeuomorphism is necessary in some aspects of design, otherwise it would be difficult to have an intuitive GUI. It will always be there in some form. Even if it's a border around something.
2nd, Scott was closest to Steve personality wise, without the keynote smile. Passionate, not backing down, cares about the little things...doesn't mind being hated, takes credit. All qualities Steve has but we read hate in some posts here. Why? Appears unfriendly at keynote? Steve was much worse behind the scenes. Should we if fired Steve for looking like a sick puppy at one keynote? Well there was talk of it...
I'm glad Scott is not a yes man. Steve wasn't and got stick for it but the world needs passionate people to fight the cause.
2nd, Scott was closest to Steve personality wise, without the keynote smile. Passionate, not backing down, cares about the little things...doesn't mind being hated, takes credit. All qualities Steve has but we read hate in some posts here. Why? Appears unfriendly at keynote? Steve was much worse behind the scenes. Should we if fired Steve for looking like a sick puppy at one keynote? Well there was talk of it...
I'm glad Scott is not a yes man. Steve wasn't and got stick for it but the world needs passionate people to fight the cause.
Now I can actually look forward to the next iOS update. Maybe they will actually fix something than add more useless features.
-Make iOS apps look like they belong together and not designed by people who do not ever talk with each other.
-Unify functionality between iTunes/iOS/iCloud and make options the same. It is sad if I set a calendar event on iCloud I do not have the same alert options as I do on the iPhone. Most of the time the Alerts show up backwards so I have a 2 hour alert before my 1 day alert.
-Make iOS apps look like they belong together and not designed by people who do not ever talk with each other.
-Unify functionality between iTunes/iOS/iCloud and make options the same. It is sad if I set a calendar event on iCloud I do not have the same alert options as I do on the iPhone. Most of the time the Alerts show up backwards so I have a 2 hour alert before my 1 day alert.
You realize that most of the current leadership is the same as under Jobs? I feel that something is impeding progress. After iOS 6, what's next? Fixed maps? Maybe NFC? The cheese is getting moldy.
I believe this as well. They have no replacements and Forstall is forced to work there till the end of the year (while being forced out)? Can't be good.