He might believe corporations actually drive our economy and keep people employed, and without them, we'd be in even more trouble.
He could possibly believe that these "evil corporations" are, oddly enough, staffed by real, everyday people who go to work and do their jobs the best they can and didn't get to where they are by screwing people.
Actually,
small business drives the economy. They account for 99.7% of all business and employ more than 58 million. I also don't think every company is out to screw me. I do think that they are more inclined to do so. As such, I need to be observant. I also think that we should side with fellow customers more often than the corporation.
No - it's just that you give NO CREDIBLE REASON for trying to lie and cheat your way to something you don't deserve. You keep giving the same reason.
Evil corporations - so that gives you the right to be evil in return.
Just admit it - you have no decent moral compass. That's fine. I would just prefer people choose to live better than that.
Wow. You're going to talk about moral compass? Morals are relative. Everyone has a different set. There are things you would do, that I wouldn't and vice versa.
Don't try to impose your morals on me and I won't impose mine on you. Does that seem like a fair trade?
So obviously it should be you, as final arbiter, who determines whether or not an exchange is justified.
Apple is a massive corporation selling millions of phones. They have to strike the balance between being fair and getting taken advantage of. Something that seems to totally escape you.
So I should pay more so that someone else, who is less careful than me, gets a break and gets a new phone when they screw up? That's what insurance is for, and if they don't have any (articles policy, etc) don't expect me to "stick up" for them.
The only thing worse is when they come on places like MR and brag about it, or make fun of people who aren't cheating the system.
Going point by point.
Yes. As the customer, I have the final say. I shouldn't be forced to accept anything I'm unhappy with. Even after 2 or 3 days of use. You and any other customer should have that power.
Who gives them that power? Simply because they sell a product? Don't demagogue them. They are just as likely (if not more) to be unfair to the consumer.
There is one key flaw in that argument. You really think prices are really effected by this? Maybe $5 higher. My question is this: do you really think they would drop prices if people stopped doing this? (Note: the price of gas has goes up at a much higher rate than it comes down. Regardless of supply and demand.)
Not everyone. I personally have never damaged a product on purpose and returned it. I simply take issue with the OP's point of view. I don't think many people here would really condone anyone bragging about doing that, either. In fact, I'm pretty sure the thread would get deleted.
It would be nice if everyone would just take a moderate amount of responsibility for their own actions and suck it up when they make a mistake or do something wrong, but nope, someone, anyone but themselves, has to pay the price for them screwing up. This fact is compounded by the fact that these people screw up many fold more often then the rest of us, so they end up being retail terrorists.
While I agree with the general stance of your post, I disagree with the term "retail terrorist" No one is terrorizing the corporation. Do you really think Apple is cowering in fear or that is the intent? Please don't use the terrorist term unless it applies. (This comes from someone who lost friends in the towers.)
Fleshman - I want to thank you for justifying embezzling to me. Now I know it's ok to stick it to the mean corporations since they are only out to screw me.
Are you also one of those people that when they accidently break something at the supermarket just walks away instead of telling someone so they can clean it up?
Or one of those people that leaves their tray at a table or their popcorn under their seat because someone else gets paid good money to clean up after you?
I didn't justify embezzlement. Also, that's not embezzlement. It's more like fraud, since embezzlement usually requires a person being entrusted with stolen assets. To that point, I don't condone fraud. I am simply stating that when issues like a falsely tripped water sensor come to light, we should be inclined to believe our fellow consumer and not the corporation. This statement is based on the fact that the corporation has a legal obligation is lie and cheat.
I usually leave my popcorn on my seat so it's easily spotted and cleaned. (Is that different from friends coming over and leaving the popcorn bowl on the table?) I often times will leave the shopping cart in the supermarket parking lot. Does that make me amoral?
My two cents: (Not tired to anyone in particular)
I don't condone fraud. That is illegal and wrong. However, corporations are far more likely and have the resources to properly screw the consumer. As a consumer, I am on the lookout for this. You should be too.
I don't understand your point of view that the corporation can do no wrong and is perfect in every way. Perhaps it all comes down to behaviorism. You get shiny new toys from the great overlord. Endorphins flood your system and you become conditioned to feel like the corporation will do you no harm.
What you don't understand is that this corporation is focused upon trying to pry as much money out of your pocket as they can. They don't like you. They like your money.
What do you think your going to get from your point of view? Is SJ going to come to your house and give you an iPhone, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro and the new, shinny iTab? You're fooling yourself (and others) if you think they'd lower prices.
The worse case scenario in thinking that the corporation is wrong and siding with the consumer is a possible small loss in profit. If you always take the side of the corporation, it is far more likely that
you will get screwed. What does happen if your water sensor was falsely tripped? Will Apple still replace a non-related part?
What I am proposing is that we side with our fellow consumers by default. This is not to say that they aren't wrong. It is however placing the burden of proof at the feet of the corporation. They have to prove that it isn't a manufacturing defect. We shouldn't accept their word as gospel. If a screen scratches in a few days, we should assume that it was under normal use (unless it obviously wasn't) and they should replace it.
So I simply state that the corporation is legally bound to only care about their bottom line. They are legally inclined to say no to repairs due to manufacturing defects, no matter the cause. If there is an excuse not to do the repair, they will find it and use it to no end.
Watch our for your own interests. Not that of a cold corporation. You will end up happier and with a few of your own hard earned dollars in your pocket.
