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Ochyandkaren

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Apr 3, 2010
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So, poor people are allowed to mislead (lie), but corporations can't? That's a bit absurd.

All advertising is somewhat deceptive. That's been the norm for generations. On the basic level, ads try to convince you that you need a product that you don't really need.

I haven't consumed a TV commercial in years. Plus, since I'm blind, I don't get to see all the stupid annoying ads on the web. It's lovely. But even if I was sighted, I wouldn't give much thought to ads, at least I would hope not. I would like to think that I have self-control



Ads are work of art.

I can forgive someone who steals for surviving.
I cannot forgive a banker who steals.

Is that absurd?
Why did USA government helped create USA HUGE middle class in the 50´s?
Helping the poor to get better education.


Selling snake oil is not the same as attacking my neighbor house in order to sell mine, it is dishonesty.

Go check some awesome book covers, those are ads, never misleading, the artist may fail, but it is never misleading.

Here is one of my favs among the most seen -
book-covers-18.jpg
 
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SpectatorHere

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Apr 21, 2010
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You're exactly like me, I have a Note, but generally prefer IOS! To be honest, I am only on the thread to discuss the advert in reality. I don't follow most of arguments that the list is meaningless, i.e. most of the Top 10 Apple mentioned in their own keynote, so clearly important enough for them to highlight. So the remainder is somewhat "pointless", but were there to keep the advert at the forefront of the discussion - certainly succeeded on that score. Most features are "pointless" or "no use" if you have no access to them...rather like the truth is often what people choose to believe, rather than actually the truth. No axe to grind with you; your points on android fragmentation are largely accurate.

Question...how much does the software hold you back using the Note? I'm likely migrating to the Note 2 from iOS, and the software is my concern. I've yet to use an Android device that didn't either suffer from poor performance (stuttering, delayed recognition of touch, crashing) or crappy/unintuitive UI. That said, Android is getting better and I really like the idea of a big screen and a stylus (old fan of Palm Pilots back in the day).
 

samlikesmac

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Why does it have an already outdated version of Android, are no Android devices consistent with their updates? Samsung mentions 11 hour talk time, but not on what technology (i.e. LTE, HSPA+, 3G, EDGE, ect.) Can they just stop already? No one wants to buy your crappy phone when Apple provides high-quality design and reliability that you can't get with anyone else.
 

Ochyandkaren

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Apr 3, 2010
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Raw nerve...they did what you describe by spouting technical specifications..that apparently "don't matter" unless Apple use them.

we can agree to disagree. I am not going to lose sleep over your opinion.

:confused:: Where did i say you will?

Apple never paid much attention to technical specifications, that is a fact.
And you know that.

Design ( the most misunderstood word, a multi disciplinary work actually ) is how things work, not the sum of parts. And you know that!
 

SpectatorHere

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Apr 21, 2010
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Yay a fair comparison!

My only criticism of this is that "auto adjust brightness" is not the same as Smart Stay. Smart Stay causes the screen to stay on while you're looking at it. There is NO comparable iOS feature.

While I like the size of the S3, the screen seems a little dull, dark, and lacking the viewing angles of an iPhone. I've also heard users complain it eats through a charge far too quickly. Thoughts?
 

kdarling

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Whilst true, it's a null argument IMO. iPhones get a minimum of two years of decent upgrades.

iPhones get numerical upgrades, but they often do not get the actual upgrade features themselves. Android phones might not get numerical OS updates, but they very often can download updated features.

A 3GS, whilst a painful experience for nerds like me and probably you, is still a passably decent phone that is reasonably comparable to modern phones and can probably run (not necessarily that well) lots of apps on the App Store.

You're confusing needing the latest OS with the ability to run most apps. Most Android apps are targeted towards the lowest necessary OS version, just as most iOS apps are. Otherwise a dev might lose customers for no reason.

It's also usually not hard for older Android phones to run most apps, because Android phones have had things like multitasking from the start, voice input almost as long, and so forth.

Please show me an Android phone from 2009 that can do the same! (Don't factor in via custom roms, we're talking Joe Schmoe here).

The 2009 Motorola Droid with 2.2 Froyo runs the latest Maps, Navigation, and even Flipboard. The 2009 Eris (Hero) with 2.1 Eclair (!) does all that except for Flipboard.

-- Summary:

The big difference is that with Android, core apps can be individually updated to take the place of an older app. In other words, you can set a new launcher, dialer, browser, camera, whatever app to be the new default. Major apps are also updated individually.

With iOS, such integral updates require an OS change, which is why users see them as far more important.
 

noriyori

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Well, if you get copied a lot, you need to defend your turf a lot. Plus, it isn't just Apple going after Android. Microsoft has threatened legal action in order to extract some pretty hefty royalties from the likes of HTC and Samsung.

HA! That's rich! I'm a huge apple fan and have been since my IIgs. But right along there in the core of apples being, along with making insanely great products, is their piracy and thievery of technology. Hostile takeovers of companies to acquire their technology is rampant in apples history.
 

matttye

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While I like the size of the S3, the screen seems a little dull, dark, and lacking the viewing angles of an iPhone. I've also heard users complain it eats through a charge far too quickly. Thoughts?

You're correct - the GS3's screen is nowhere near as bright as the iPhone's. I use my phone at less than half brightness and it's fine for me. Only use 100% if I'm out in the sun or driving. Not sure about viewing angles, never understood why it's important if I'm honest as I usually look at screens from the front :p
 

ani4ani

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What a way for a technology company to get its word out! Newspapers!?!?!? Great move, Samsung. Try skywriting next time. :confused:

Seems to me a good ploy..pay for cheap newspaper advertising and then get free Internet and TV plugs?
 

vvs14

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Sep 16, 2012
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Its so childish.. Also notice how they leave the iPhone screen off and the S3 screen on... S3 is a great phone no doubt.. But why expose your insecurities to the world in this way..
 

ani4ani

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Question...how much does the software hold you back using the Note? I'm likely migrating to the Note 2 from iOS, and the software is my concern. I've yet to use an Android device that didn't either suffer from poor performance (stuttering, delayed recognition of touch, crashing) or crappy/unintuitive UI. That said, Android is getting better and I really like the idea of a big screen and a stylus (old fan of Palm Pilots back in the day).

I am not really qualified to answer in all honesty. I had one key need when I purchased the Note, namely a big internet experience and for that it is perfect. I use some of the office suites etc, but not much beyond. I wanted the internet and the ability to make telephone calls in the main. Some comfort apps, e.g. Flixster, access to my loyalty schemes and that was about it. To emphasise my point, I wanted a Dell Streak and they were sold off before I could get one - that about sums it up.

In terms of the "issues" you describe, maybe because I don't "task" my note much, I have never noticed anything remotely laggy, and it has never crashed..ever?
 

ani4ani

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Apple has never bashed any of its competitors in public. They even admit in public that some of other's products are excellent (MS Office for OSX) while it is competing with their own products.

It is said that Samsung behaves as a bad looser, a company of that size and standing should know and act better.

I seem to remember when the antenna issue arose of the "4" the keynote seemed to spend the whole time, telling everyone why their competitors antennas were crap too? There not to shabby at dishing it out on Adobe either?
 

Dogface

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Mar 13, 2012
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Can I emulate the Android operating system on my iPhone? I want to see what it would be like using a Third World phone.
 

shanson27

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Samsung s3 vs iPhone 5

iPhone 5 :)
- Super handy
- 20% thiner
- aluminum unibody
- 112g light
- 20% lighter
- sapphire glass cover
- Cam 20% smaller - with even better picture quality
- Wideband-Audio
- A6 chip 22% smaller
- Global LTE
- All digital connector, 80% smaller
- Faster, better graphics
- More Apps
- iCloud
- itunes Match
- AirPlay
- Siri
- Outstanding new 4 inch display in cell technology, 44 % more colors, much thiner, 326 ppi, integrated touch
- Amazing Design
- 3 microphones


Samsung s3 :confused:

- Not handy
- Plastic unibody
- Too big for your pocket
- Pentile display
- S-voice --- Siri copy
- NFC is not safe
- Viruses
- Gimmick features
 
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Gary Z

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Feb 12, 2012
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Apple spends billions of dollars in R&D and another company (Samsung) blatantly (as the jury said) copies it and steals their intellectual property. Do you expect Apple not to sue and just roll over and expose their loins and say to Samsung, "Nice rip off. We hope you make billions on your theft". Have you ever worked for a company that stole other people's ideas and were found guilty in court? I'd say you probably work as a greeter at Walmart and not someone who has any business sense.
 

CubusX

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Sep 9, 2009
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Excellent point

I seem to remember when the antenna issue arose of the "4" the keynote seemed to spend the whole time, telling everyone why their competitors antennas were crap too? There not to shabby at dishing it out on Adobe either?

The whole you're holding wrong and the all cell phones have a simillar loss of signal when the phone is held was ridiculous. I've had a lot of cellphones and never experienced the dropped call totals that I've had with the original iPhone 4 on AT&T.
 

McCool71

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Sep 16, 2012
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Samsung s3 vs iPhone 5
- NFC is not safe

NFC is as safe as you want it to be.

For most instances the screen must be unlocked for it to work, and on top of that you can decide entirely if you have to enter a pin-code or not when using it.

When it comes to paying for something (which is just one of the things you can do with NFC) it makes sense for most people to let small charges - for example anything below USD 10 (you can of course set this limit yourself) - to go through without entering a pin-code. This makes it easy for small daily stuff like buying a cup of coffee or swiping it on the train/bus/subway.

Larger sums can be pin-protected if you want if you don't believe that the phone being unlocked is enough protection.

NFC is nothing to scoff at; millions of people in Tokyo use it on a daily basis, and I can only imagine the frustration at the Japanese branch of Apple now since 'all' other phones in that market have had NFC for years...
 
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