Seems that Note 4 is not as good as iPhone 6

[skratch77]

Uh yeah I'm not going to argue with you if you're basing your entire post on ad hominem. Sunspider measures time taken to perform common javascript actions...things you'll find in many sites. It does heavily reflect on real-world performance. But what do I know, I'm just a lowly computer science major. I replied to you with my opinion and the best you can come up with is personal attacks. No thanks.


http://www.redmondpie.com/new-benchmarks-show-iphone-6-is-a-better-performer-than-galaxy-note-4/
http://bgr.com/2014/10/02/iphone-6-plus-vs-galaxy-note-4-5/
http://wccftech.com/iphone-6-samsungs-galaxy-note-4-galaxy-note-edge-ultimate-showdown/

Personal attacks?

Did you not read my posts? The sunspider bench in you links is the older version and I ran the snapdragon version note 4 at my local best buy and posted the picture above that beats the score those links provided.

I also benched the (slower) note 4 and not the exynos version.

I got 382 sunspider anyways on the s805 version of the note 4 and it had a bunch of stuff running and in demo mode at best buy.

Also notice I used the latest version and not the outdated one in your links.

Here is real as it gets as I snapped this picture and please while your at it bench your iPhone 6 using antutu and see if you break 50k and the bench geekbench and see if you break 4k

 

[mKTank]

Personal attacks?

Did you not read my posts? The sunspider bench in you links is the older version and I ran the snapdragon version note 4 at my local best buy and posted the picture above that beats the score those links provided.

I also benched the (slower) note 4 and not the exynos version.

I got 382 sunspider anyways on the s805 version of the note 4 and it had a bunch of stuff running and in demo mode at best buy.

Also notice I used the latest version and not the outdated one in your links.

Here is real as it gets as I snapped this picture and please while your at it bench your iPhone 6 using antutu and see if you break 50k and the bench geekbench and see if you break 4k

Except those benchmarks don't come close to real-world results. But I like how you keep repeating Antutu and Geekbench...they're literally the only 2 benchmarks (and offscreen too) in which the Note 4 does better.


As for the sunspider, a lot of these sites have finished production units and the vast majority of them posted scores hovering around 400. Your 380ish score is as low as it'll get.

http://i.imgur.com/6oNIfDB.png

 

[skratch77]

Sunspider is a java web browser/script benchmark it is so not even close to real world testing its not even funny.

You can get 5 different results using different web browsers on android and the best browser on android for that bench is the stock OEM Samsung browser.it beats chrome and anything else but you are comparing different platform broswers with each other.

The only true way to use sunspider would be to bench them using the same browser to bench wich CPU is better and I like how you now bring up cores.

Please tell me Mr how many GPU cores the iphones 6 plus has? Is it 1,2,3,4 or 6? Cores don't matter right?

Exynos was never about 8 power cores and was made for power efficiency using big little.

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Except those benchmarks don't come close to real-world results. But I like how you keep repeating Antutu and Geekbench...they're literally the only 2 benchmarks (and offscreen too) in which the Note 4 does better.


As for the sunspider, a lot of these sites have finished production units and the vast majority of them posted scores hovering around 400. Your 380ish score is as low as it'll get.

http://i.imgur.com/6oNIfDB.png

My score was done on a snapdragon note 4 do you really think the 805 is faster then the 64 bit version?

Why don't you wait until the actuall phone is out and running android l in 64 bit mode to see how well it really does.

PS my 382 run with a crap load of background apps running in the real world is not noticibly faster then your 330 run.actually with the extra ram on the note 4 and no need for web pages to reload its quite faster.

Go use a note 4 and see how fast it loads through pages.

Next time I go to my best buy I will bench the alpha on sunspider to see how it does.

By the way the antutu were on screen tests how else do you think the alpha blew the doors off the note 4? Its only pushing a 720p screen with that bad ass GPU in it

 

[mKTank]

Sunspider is a java web browser/script benchmark it is so not even close to real world testing its not even funny.

Um yes it is. It very closely mimics common Javascript actions. As far as web browser performance is concerned, Sunspider has been widely accepted in the industry as a good indicator of browser performance and Javascript compliance.

You can get 5 different results using different web browsers on android and the best browser on android for that bench is the stock OEM Samsung browser.it beats chrome and anything else but you are comparing different platform broswers with each other.

Yep, each of them handle Javascript in their own way. Maybe I'm biased but I've always preferred WebKit. On my Android phones I'd always stick with Browser (pre-Chrome) and Chrome for that reason. Dunno, they just seem to hiccup less. You say Samsung's browser scores best? Samsung's been known to mess around with the clocks when some benchmarks are detected, so...

The only true way to use sunspider would be to bench them using the same browser to bench wich CPU is better and I like how you now bring up cores.

But Apple will never release Safari nor its Nitro engine to Android..obviously. They clearly figured something out that Google still hasn't. I'm not entirely sure why Android's always been behind in Javascript/browsers in general. Could be a Dalvik thing? I don't know for sure.

Either way, Apple and Samsung both have had their best shot to come up with the best browser they can. That's the whole point of this discussion: Apple clearly found some tricks that Samsung didn't. Using Apple's browser on the Note 4 is kind of like comparing my Audi RS6 with your BMW M3 except we both use a Cadillac twin-turbo V8. Sorry for the car analogy, but they've both had their chance to make the best browser possible and one clearly came out on top, especially given the hardware limitations.

Please tell me Mr how many GPU cores the iphones 6 plus has? Is it 1,2,3,4 or 6? Cores don't matter right?

4. I THINK the Note 4 has 16, but I haven't been able to confirm that yet.

Exynos was never about 8 power cores and was made for power efficiency using big little.

To be honest, aside from the somewhat impressive architecture, Exynos variants almost always kind of sucked compared to its North American variants. I think the Note 4's the first Exynos-wielding phone where both variants kinda come close.

Oh, and about that "more RAM means less reloading" thing, I'm sorry but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCln9_mgZJo

I know it's an S5, but it's still double the RAM of the iPhone 6. With the extra resolution of the Note 4...I'm going to go ahead and guesstimate that the Note 4 won't be dramatically better than the S5 in this regard.


About the Note Edge pushing 720p thing...that's kind of what I'd prefer Samsung does from now on to be honest. Sure, brighter bigger screens are really nice..but absolutely nobody needed the resolution bump from the Note 3 to the Note 4. I wish they kept the pixels around 400PPI while bumping the hardware. Now we see what happens when the resolution isn't ridiculously high: phones like the Note Edge start being serious contenders with their performance. The question is: where is the line drawn between "a tiny bit sharper under a microscope" and "plays games and runs benchmarks way faster."

 

[skratch77]

You clearly missed the whole point about sunspider.you can't use that as a bench mark for CPU or GPU its a web browser benchmark.

Heck a 3 year old nexus dual core scores the same as a gs5 on sunspider.if you want to compare that bench it needs to use the same browser on both devices to show off what CPU is better.

PS Samsung purposely clocked the exynos cores slower to match the same performance of the snapdragon versions.you would want to have 2 phones out there and one blowing the door off the other.even the 64bit note 4 has the ram clocked half speed vs the snapdragon 805 in order to keep it as close to 805 as possible

It would be like apple releasing a iPhone 6s in some markets but calling it an iPhone 6.

Big little was done in colaberation with Samsung and arm and they worked together developing it and even snapdragon is going to use Samsung's big little in there next 64 bit soc and go vanilla arm CPUs like in the exynos chips that Samsung is using.

 

[mKTank]

You clearly missed the whole point about sunspider.you can't use that as a bench mark for CPU or GPU its a web browser benchmark.

Sorry, I meant to say it as a little argument on the side. I mean it DOES have quite a bit to do with CPU but I was simply comparing overall Javascript performance with the Note 4, that's all.

Heck a 3 year old nexus dual core scores the same as a gs5 on sunspider.if you want to compare that bench it needs to use the same browser on both devices to show off what CPU is better.

Eh, not quite. The Galaxy Nexus scores about 2000ms on Sunspider. Blah :/

PS Samsung purposely clocked the exynos cores slower to match the same performance of the snapdragon versions.you would want to have 2 phones out there and one blowing the door off the other.even the 64bit note 4 has the ram clocked half speed vs the snapdragon 805 in order to keep it as close to 805 as possible

I don't think they purposefully did it (can you find a source for that? I'm super curious now), but IF they did, it would make sense I guess. Probably in the same breath that Apple didn't make the 6 Plus ridiculously better spec'd than the 6.

Big little was done in colaberation with Samsung and arm and they worked together developing it and even snapdragon is going to use Samsung's big little in there next 64 bit soc and go vanilla arm CPUs like in the exynos chips that Samsung is using.

Whatever Qualcomm releases next as the next big flagship, I expect it'll be crazy and I can't wait to see it.

 

[TechGod]

Sorry, I meant to say it as a little argument on the side. I mean it DOES have quite a bit to do with CPU but I was simply comparing overall Javascript performance with the Note 4, that's all.


Eh, not quite. The Galaxy Nexus scores about 2000ms on Sunspider. Blah :/


I don't think they purposefully did it (can you find a source for that? I'm super curious now), but IF they did, it would make sense I guess. Probably in the same breath that Apple didn't make the 6 Plus ridiculously better spec'd than the 6.


Whatever Qualcomm releases next as the next big flagship, I expect it'll be crazy and I can't wait to see it.

He is so biased it's not even funny. Don't even attempt to go against him.

 

[mKTank]

He is so biased it's not even funny. Don't even attempt to go against him.

Who is?

 

[TechGod]

Who is?

The guy you were "debating" with.

 

[twintin]

Benchmarks for iPhone 6+ for those who care.

http://www.mobil.se/nyheter/prestandatest-iphone-6-plus-mot-konkurrenterna?nodePage=1#.VC_DNL6xg6W

 

[mrex]

Kinda strange, I mean, Apple can ship phones worldwide with the same SoC and they don't appear to have an issue with LTE interference. Heck Samsung's even making some of those SoCs.

*shrug*

Dont you remember when Apple had to change their ipads name to "cellular" because their 4g lte wasnt compatible with european network and some other countries?

 

[scaredpoet]

Dont you remember when Apple had to change their ipads name to "cellular" because their 4g lte wasnt compatible with european network and some other countries?

That was in, what, 2010? It's 2014 now and that situation has changed.

 

[mrex]

That was in, what, 2010? It's 2014 now and that situation has changed.

2012 ... and it was on last year, 2013, before an update fixed the lte problem here in north europe. On 2013 when they released a new update customers from over 30 operators suffered the missing speed... Still on year 2014 apple has this site https://www.apple.com/ipad/LTE/ for customers to check if ipad is compatible in their network or not.

 

[Shanghaichica]

He is so biased it's not even funny. Don't even attempt to go against him.

Pot and Kettle black spring to mind

 

[TechGod]

Pot and Kettle black spring to mind

Mate, I don't try to hide my bias behind a wall of truth. Have you ever seen me attempt to hide my bias?

 

[Michael Goff]

Benchmarks: They only matter when your product of choice wins. Otherwise, here's a dozen reasons why it's invalid.

 

[skratch77]

Sorry, I meant to say it as a little argument on the side. I mean it DOES have quite a bit to do with CPU but I was simply comparing overall Javascript performance with the Note 4, that's all.


Eh, not quite. The Galaxy Nexus scores about 2000ms on Sunspider. Blah :/


I don't think they purposefully did it (can you find a source for that? I'm super curious now), but IF they did, it would make sense I guess. Probably in the same breath that Apple didn't make the 6 Plus ridiculously better spec'd than the 6.


Whatever Qualcomm releases next as the next big flagship, I expect it'll be crazy and I can't wait to see it.

My galaxy nexus from 3 years ago scored 1100 sunspider stock and 900 with Franco over clocked kernel.

It proves my point exactly that a java benchmark has no use in real world CPU performance.

 

[lavrishevo]

This is a good article. The iPhone 6 and 6 plus is fast. iOS 8 still has some minor bugs to work out but the single core performance is excellent. The multi core will be less then the Note 4. The real issue is that many apps are not setup to utilize multiple cores. This is why the 6 plus will probably still be faster in many daily uses.

The US quad core Note 4 is a 32 bit architecture. Xynos is 64 bit. Snapdragon is 32. That sucks.


http://m.imore.com/iphone-6-and-iphone-6-plus-benchmarks

 

[mrex]

i have never understood the debate of benchmarks, because it doesnt matter f it gets 40000 or 45 if the device lacks of functionalities... never chosen a device based on just benchmarks, but looking for functionalities at first.. like on this thread too... imo, note4 is superior over iphone6 irl usage...

 

[mKTank]

My galaxy nexus from 3 years ago scored 1100 sunspider stock and 900 with Franco over clocked kernel.

It proves my point exactly that a java benchmark has no use in real world CPU performance.

Actually that kind of proves that CPU does matter. You got a significantly better score when you upped your CPU clocks...

You for real?

 

[skratch77]

Actually that kind of proves that CPU does matter. You got a significantly better score when you upped your CPU clocks...

You for real?

Yeah using the same hardware and same browser on the same platform.

Not the same as iOS vs android and one cell using a different browser then the other.

And to prove my point on how a java bench is useless for real world testing is my old nexus is a slow pos compared to a lower scoring gs4 or gs5 in the real world

 

[mKTank]

Yeah using the same hardware and same browser on the same platform.

Not the same as iOS vs android and one cell using a different browser then the other.

Except the it's not exactly the same hardware configuration if you've overclocked...

 

[skratch77]

Except the it's not exactly the same hardware configuration if you've overclocked...

It is and when benching that way you can use it for reference to performance gains and modding a stock kernel has other major changes to the way the hardware works.

You are taking numbers from iOS and a very highly optimised web kit browser...prolly the best optimised out of ever single browser out there and comparing it to a note 4 using different hardware and browser.

My gs5 scored 1400 sunspider marks when I first got it and with every firmware up date its been getting better and better in sunspider.it is now down to 800 marks and that is all done through software optimization and no hardware or clock increase changes.

With every update to chrome my sunspider scores get better and better.

With the other benchmarks at least its the same software being benched on each phone.sunspider is not an app its a web based website bench that benches how optimised your web browser is.

I also forgot to add with the latest updates to the web browser and hacked kernel the nexus scored the same or better then my gs5 but in real world the gs5 blows the doors off it

You people cling to sunspider because of how well it does with apples very good browser but turn your heads when other tests show the other way.its always the same on screen off screen testing and ohh it has more cores and look at single core performance

 

[Zwhaler]

The US quad core Note 4 is a 32 bit architecture. Xynos is 64 bit. Snapdragon is 32. That sucks.

I would normally agree, but the Note 4 opens apps so fast (especially with animations disabled) that having 32 vs 64 bit doesn't make a big difference. iPhone 64 bit apps... From real estate to google earth to photo editing, does 64 bit really make a noticeable difference? I think games might have one but I don't play games much on my Note.

 

[mKTank]

It is and when benching that way you can use it for reference to performance gains and modding a stock kernel has other major changes to the way the hardware works.

You are taking numbers from iOS and a very highly optimised web kit browser...prolly the best optimised out of ever single browser out there and comparing it to a note 4 using different hardware and browser.

My gs5 scored 1400 sunspider marks when I first got it and with every firmware up date its been getting better and better in sunspider.it is now down to 800 marks and that is all done through software optimization and no hardware or clock increase changes.

With every update to chrome my sunspider scores get better and better.

With the other benchmarks at least its the same software being benched on each phone.sunspider is not an app its a web based website bench that benches how optimised your web browser is.

I also forgot to add with the latest updates to the web browser and hacked kernel the nexus scored the same or better then my gs5 but in real world the gs5 blows the doors off it

You people cling to sunspider because of how well it does with apples very good browser but turn your heads when other tests show the other way.its always the same on screen off screen testing and ohh it has more cores and look at single core performance

Uh no I'm not "clinging" to anything. You're totally wrong about SunSpider and how little you know about hardware and software makes it difficult for me to explain anything to you. Go look it up if you want, but it's clear that if you have anything to learn, you won't accept it from me.

Antutu and Geekbench are the only 2 benchmarks in which the Note 4 does better, by the way. Look at all of the articles I posted. It's well established that the iPhone 6 is just a better performer (way better in graphics too).

I think I'm going to take the advice that was given to me and just stop trying to debate with you. The Internet is a great tool; if you want to learn something, it's almost always a quick Google search away. Best of luck.