Whingeing about 'whining'?
Sad that I even had to explain what was perfectly obvious.
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Should Forstall return to Apple?
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Whingeing about 'whining'?
Sad that I even had to explain what was perfectly obvious.
Whingeing about 'whining'?
Sad that I even had to explain what was perfectly obvious.
Still not seeing it.
That is because you are either trolling or really not very bright. I honestly cannot spell it out any more clearly even if I did it in crayon for you.
I guess I mustn't be very bright then. Either that or we have different definitions of what irony is.
And in the meantime, that person started two new companies, of which one was extremely successful, and the other one, while less successful financially, created an excellent product that Apple needed.
So maturing isn't enough. Demonstrable success would help. Like if Blackberry, Microsoft, or Google hired Forstall and he made huge improvements to their software. I doubt it.
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I don't think they needed any dispatching.
I think they disliked Forstall and where glad when he was gone without having to be encouraged.
That's the risk Apple took when firing him. Hopefully it doesn't backfire. I don't think it will either but it will be interesting to see what Scott does next. IMO too much has been made of him being 'the next Steve Jobs'. He may be very good but I seriously doubt he's that good.
You are just being tiresomely and deliberately obtuse. If you cannot see the obvious irony in Am3rica16's whiny little post about my being 'whiny' then you probably think that irony is like tinny or coppery but pertaining to a different metal.
I don't think it was a coincidence that Apple put Federighi and Ive in front of the media. Apples is really pushing the whole collaboration meme which signals to me Forstall was not a good collaborator.
Precisely.
Which is why the vote-button choices for this thread are poorly considered. It would be foolish to say "never again" to Forstall (though it seems at least some of his colleagues would do so), but I wouldn't encourage a return anytime soon. The guy appears to need seasoning and maturity, and I wish him the best in that and hope he goes on to do amazing things. But he was ejected for a reason and needs to work on that.
Scott was a great software manager for the era. He's gone, he was hard to deal with, whatever pros he might bring they are offset by the cons of his personality.
His ideals of look and feel aren't in line with where Apple is going now.
His ideals of look and feel aren't in line with where Apple is going now.
The anti-forstall arguments sound a lot like the anti-Jobs arguments when he was pushed out. Sure, it's a different situation but it's quite reminiscent.
What if Jobs had never been let back in at Apple because he was "difficult to work with"?
What if Jobs had never been let back in at Apple because he was "difficult to work with"?
But Steve was away from Apple for something like 12 years and in that time he created NeXT and bought Pixar and helped turn it into something amazing. What has Scott done since leaving Apple?
It's been less than a year. Give him chance to spend some of his Apple money. If I were him I'd just go and join his brother at Microsoft.
Sorry, i wasn't clear. I wasn't talking about Forstall coming back. I was more talking about the response to his departure and how that was reminiscent of what was being said about Steve when he was pushed out.
I think the tension Jobs created at Apple was, overall, a very positive thing. Look what Apple created under him. And Forstall seemed the most Jobs-esque person at Apple. Do you think Jobs would have publicly apologized for the Maps thing? I don't think so.
But maybe they did the right thing in not trying to replace Jobs with someone who was trying to emulate him. It did seem that Jobs was grooming him for the position though.
Steve Jobs was Apple's beloved co-founder and his return reignited a struggling company. There's a difference.
Again: not really talking about Forstall returning; more about his departure.
Agreed, a Forstall return would be fundamentally different than Jobs' return.
What gave you the impression Jobs was grooming Forstall to replace him? If he was why did he recommend Cook for CEO? Forstall may have been a good presenter on stage but we really don't know what his vision was for the future of Apple, or that he would be Jobs like in terms of vision and salesmanship. And honestly it seems like he was the one to allow iOS to stagnate.