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Gudi

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Even on the Windows side, laptops with cellular capabilities are few and far between. There is a bigger use case for tablets with cellular connectivity (bth iPad OS and Android) than exists for laptops.
But with Apple Silicon and eSIM you get all the necessary hardware support for free. People described the M1 iMac as a giant iPad on a stand. Why not add yet another iOS feature? And aren't MacBooks supposed to be mobile computers? They should have mobile internet.
 
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But with Apple Silicon and eSIM you get all the necessary hardware support for free. People described the M1 iMac as a giant iPad on a stand. Why not add yet another iOS feature? And aren't MacBooks supposed to be mobile computers? They should have mobile internet.
You'd still need a cellular modem, which right now would be coming from Qualcomm.

But... Apple has been planning to develop their own modems for years, which could potentially end up integrated on future Apple SoCs.
 
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They're far more common than cellular on a Mac. :) A lot of the Lenovo business can be configured that way.

This seems like a feature for business users that can expense the charges for an additional device. Tethering is more cost-efficient if you're paying for it yourself. I have the Xfinity WiFi hotspot network available and it's generally easy to find hotspots if you are in an urban or suburban area.

I'm sure that Apple has already done the market analysis on this and they'd rather sell you an iPhone or iPad to tether off of rather than put in another option on their Macs. Apple just doesn't like to offer the level of options that you see on PCs.
The businessy Windows laptops (Dell Latitude, Lenovo ThinkPad, HP, etc) have offered cellular options for a long time, probably since the midish 2000s.

But, for whatever reason, they make it very difficult to get. You can get it if you order a CTO system. There are a few, stupidly high end inventory SKUs that include the WWAN card, but they are very, very expensive and come with high-end processors, large SSDs, etc that many business users don't need or want to pay for.

For a long time, they would at least give you all the parts except the WWAN card on all models, so you could theoretically buy the WWAN card and retrofit it. I don't think that's the case anymore - now Lenovo, at least, offers 'WWAN-upgradeable' SKUs and if you don't get one of those, you're missing the antennas, SIM card slot, etc.

It's weird - especially with the rise of remote desktop VDI/Citrix/etc-type stuff, I would think there would be a huge market for this, but it's remained a niche thing and most people in the business world seem to use separate dedicated hotspots or the occasional USB cellular modem.
 
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You'd still need a cellular modem, which right now would be coming from Qualcomm.

But... Apple has been planning to develop their own modems for years, which could potentially end up integrated on future Apple SoCs.
One of the problems of using Qualcomm modems in a Mac is that Qualcomm’s pricing to Apple is not a flat fee for the modem. It is based on the retail price of the device. More expensive devices like a Mac would mean a larger payment to Qualcomm.
 

platinumaqua

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I've yet to hear one bad word about Apple Silicon Macs, customers are genuinely happy with them. But their value drops so much during the first year of ownership.
I can give you lots of parts I dislike about my MBP 14" if you want 😂. It's certainly not a "home run" at time of purchase compared to my old MBP 13" 2010.
 

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I can give you lots of parts I dislike about my MBP 14" if you want 😂. It's certainly not a "home run" at time of purchase compared to my old MBP 13" 2010.
Coincidentally I own a MacBook Pro (13 inch, Mid 2010) and I can remember very well how much of a "home run" it was at the time of purchase. Steve Jobs had to write an email to defend Apple's curious decision to ship this particular model with a Core2Duo and not a new i5. Don't romanticize the dark Intel years in retrospect.

Steve Jobs on 13-Inch MacBook Pro's Use of Intel Core 2 Duo Processors
 

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A chip features and performance is all I care. Having more NPU cores and Ray tracing cores would be nice.
 

platinumaqua

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Coincidentally I own a MacBook Pro (13 inch, Mid 2010) and I can remember very well how much of a "home run" it was at the time of purchase. Steve Jobs had to write an email to defend Apple's curious decision to ship this particular model with a Core2Duo and not a new i5. Don't romanticize the dark Intel years in retrospect.

Steve Jobs on 13-Inch MacBook Pro's Use of Intel Core 2 Duo Processors
dark Intel years? 2006-2015 was when Intel was being actually innovative and focused on performance per watt.

The all the non-retina MacBooks (except MacBook Airs) were well designed to be easily repairable and upgradable as well, not to mention the variety of ports that satisfies the needs of the majority of users.

Intel Macs were better value over all as it was like getting two computers for one computer. I still have to go back to my old Mac once in a while just to run Windows programs that won't run on AS Macs.
 

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dark Intel years? 2006-2015 was when Intel was being actually innovative and focused on performance per watt.

The all the non-retina MacBooks (except MacBook Airs) were well designed to be easily repairable and upgradable as well, not to mention the variety of ports that satisfies the needs of the majority of users.

Intel Macs were better value over all as it was like getting two computers for one computer. I still have to go back to my old Mac once in a while just to run Windows programs that won't run on AS Macs.

I can run my Windows programs on Windows 11 ARM in UTM. At least so far. I do have a 2015 MacBook Pro 15 as my backup laptop in case there's something that I can't run and I have a Windows desktop (not set up) in case I really need a Windows PC but I haven't booted it in a month.
 

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2006-2015 was when Intel was being actually innovative and focused on performance per watt.
2007 iPhone, invention of the smartphone (noticeably "Intel-outside")
2010 iPad, invention of the tablet
2010 A4, Apple's first in-house designed chip
2011 A5, dual-core
2013 A7, 64-bit
2014 Metal API
2014 A8X, tripple-core
2014 Apple Watch with S1 chip, invention of the smartwatch
2016 A10, quad-core, big.LITTLE, 2×2 high-performance and low-energy cores
2017 A11, Neural Engine
2020 M1, beats i7 in every way

So this is what you consider an innovative era for Intel?
All the non-retina MacBooks (except MacBook Airs) were well designed to be easily repairable and upgradable as well, not to mention the variety of ports that satisfies the needs of the majority of users.
I'm very satisfied with USB-C. Which (let's not forget) only exists, because Apple pushed the standards committee for a symmetric plug similar to Lightning.
Intel Macs were better value over all as it was like getting two computers for one computer. I still have to go back to my old Mac once in a while just to run Windows programs that won't run on AS Macs.
I wish my old Macs had better (resale) value, but the only saleable parts are keyboard and mouse. I refuse to touch any Windows after 7, so I haven't run a trashOS in a decade. You know you've lost it as a chipmaker, when your best feature is to be able to run old legacy software.

intel outside.jpg
 
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2007 iPhone, invention of the smartphone (noticeably "Intel-outside")

There were actual smartphones before the iPhone. Apple just did it more impressively (as in, there were mp3 players before iPod).

2010 iPad, invention of the tablet

There were tablets before iPad. They were just not very practical.

2010 A4, Apple's first in-house designed chip

A4 was not an in-house design. They used stock ARM cores, with a stock PowerVR GPU. Apple did not start to flex their architectural license until A6.



Also, I do not think Apple invented the smart watch.
 

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There were actual smartphones before the iPhone. Apple just did it more impressively (as in, there were mp3 players before iPod).
The term "Smartphone" existed before the product category, which we refer to as smartphones today developed. these early so-called smartphones were actually feature phones with buttons from A-Z instead of from 0-9. None of those product lines and neither the companies who made them, survived the advent of the iPhone. Today every phone on the market is either an iPhone or the clone of an iPhone.

The iPod was indeed no invention, just a well-made mp3 player. The innovation behind its success was the iTunes music store and the click wheel stolen from a Philips tv remote.
There were tablets before iPad. They were just not very practical.
Again, not even close to the same thing, just the same name for a different concept, which failed at the time.
A4 was not an in-house design. They used stock ARM cores, with a stock PowerVR GPU.
The level of in-house design versus licensed is different from generation to generation. That's why I couldn't even come up with a year when Apple designed the GPU themselves. They started with designing their own shaders for a stock GPU core and so on. Nonetheless it's a process and at its end the M1 is genuine Apple IP.
Apple did not start to flex their architectural license until A6.
According to Apple's own statements the A4 was the first SoC developed by their own internal chip design devision under the lead of Johny Sroujis.
Also, I do not think Apple invented the smart watch.
You don't, I do. Also Apple invented the PC with a graphical user interface. It was a technology demonstrator at Xerox PARC, Apple made a product with the Macintosh.
 

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Also Apple invented the PC with a graphical user interface. It was a technology demonstrator at Xerox PARC, Apple made a product with the Macintosh.

Yeah, there is no comparison between X and Mac OS 1.0. Mac OS was built from the ground up to work with the GUI, whereas X is a thing you can add to Unix. Apple straight-up developed the icon paradigm and interface consistency that were not features found in earlier GUIs. And they made it work with a one-button mouse – three-button mice can be awesome once you get the hang of them, but a one button mouse gets the job done with a very shallow learning curve.

And that highlights what they have always done. Other designers give you all this great and powerful stuff to use, while Apple gives you what you need, without 200 strange gee-gaws to figure out. When you need those other features, you figure out how to fit that functionality in, and it often works better because you figured out how to do it yourself.

It is almost like someone comes up with an idea and then Apple comes along and makes it work well. I suspect ARM AArch64 works so well because Apple had a hand in designing it to begin with.
 

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The term "Smartphone" existed before the product category, which we refer to as smartphones today developed. these early so-called smartphones were actually feature phones with buttons from A-Z instead of from 0-9. None of those product lines and neither the companies who made them, survived the advent of the iPhone. Today every phone on the market is either an iPhone or the clone of an iPhone.

The iPod was indeed no invention, just a well-made mp3 player. The innovation behind its success was the iTunes music store and the click wheel stolen from a Philips tv remote.

Again, not even close to the same thing, just the same name for a different concept, which failed at the time.

The level of in-house design versus licensed is different from generation to generation. That's why I couldn't even come up with a year when Apple designed the GPU themselves. They started with designing their own shaders for a stock GPU core and so on. Nonetheless it's a process and at its end the M1 is genuine Apple IP.

According to Apple's own statements the A4 was the first SoC developed by their own internal chip design devision under the lead of Johny Sroujis.

You don't, I do. Also Apple invented the PC with a graphical user interface. It was a technology demonstrator at Xerox PARC, Apple made a product with the Macintosh.

1. When the iPhone was first announced, there were already smartphones on the market, including Blackberry and the Palm treo. Part of the announcement included Jobs talking about how those other devices were lacking.

2. Concerning the iPad, its predecessors include devices such as the Palm Pilot, Pocket PC, Nokia N800 and even the Apple Newton, all of which were released well before the iPad was first announced in 2010. Just because they were different doesn't mean they were not predecessors.


3. Regarding the A4, even though it was designed by Apple, it still used the Cortex A8 core design just with some modifications developed by a company called Intrinsity (in collaboration with Samsung, who handled fabrication of the A4 for Apple), alongside a PowerVR SGX535 GPU (also not an Apple design). So it really wasn't an Apple in-house design in terms of building their own architecture under the ARM license. The A6 was the first Apple-branded chip to use custom designs rather than existing Cortex core designs. Apple did purchase Intrinsity sometime after the A4 announcement, but they were an independent company at the time the A4 was developed. On the GPU side, the A8 was the first SoC Apple did GPU work on, although that was just custom shader cores on top of the PowerVR 6XT GPU. The A11 was the first CPU and GPU designed entirely in-house by Apple.




4. Given that Steve Jobs himself once credited Xerox PARC with inventing the GUI, your last statement is a bit erroneous. PARC was running GUIs on all of their networked workstations at the time, and Jobs himself later admitted that at the time of the visit, he was so focused on the GUI aspects that he completely missed the underlying networking aspects of what Xerox was running. What Apple did was bring the GUI to the general public, rather than keeping it behind closed doors.

5. Taking away the calculator and organizer wristwatches that have existed since at least the 1980s (Casio DataBank for example, which is one I owned back in the day), there have been numerous smartwatches that preceded the Apple Watch. In 1994, Microsoft and Timex co-designed the Datalink 150 watch, which is widely considered to be the first true smartwatch. Seiko released the Message Watch in 1995 and the Ruputer in 1998 (which had its share of flaws and weird design decisions).

There were also notable attempts such as the Fossil Palm Pilot (2002), Microsoft SPOT (2003), and Nike Fuelband (2012).




Apple has a track record of not being the first company to a new field or device, but coming in a bit later and being among the best to have ever entered said market. While Apple was the first to bring a GUI based OS to the public, their mantra since Jobs' return to the company has been to make things better, not make them first.
 
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1. When the iPhone was first announced, there were already smartphones on the market, including Blackberry and the Palm treo. Part of the announcement included Jobs talking about how those other devices were lacking.
Yeah, they lacked by being harder to use than a dumbphone. Their main differentiator over regular phones was that they had buttons from A-Z instead of 0-9. A little easier for text input and nothing more. It's even questionable if the first iPhone was a true smartphone as it didn't ship with the App Store. Every phone we consider a smartphone today traces back to the iPhone 3G. It's no coincidence that Nokia, Palm, Blackberry are bankrupt today, neither of them could offer something similar to the iPhone, which is indeed NOT EVEN A PHONE. It's a category of handheld multipurpose computer. Just like smartwatches are NOT EVEN WATCHES. They are wearable multipurpose computers. Both can make calls and tell the time. The name of the thing, which used to describe its functionality, now only describes the form factor of a computer with an OS, which supports all kinds of functions.
2. Concerning the iPad, its predecessors include devices such as the Palm Pilot, Pocket PC, Nokia N800 and even the Apple Newton, all of which were released well before the iPad was first announced in 2010.
Those are PDAs, personal digital assistants. Which just proves that the term smartphone is completely arbitrary. If one of those early ancestors had been successful in creating a vibrant app market, than smartphones would be called smartassistants today. And smartwatches also connect over the phone network. Their only connection to watches is that they occupy a spot on the wrist where a watch used to be. That's like calling TVs visualcabinets or smartpictures.

Humans need to come up with names for new things all the time and the easiest way is to just change the meaning of an old word, everybody already knows how to spell. But that doesn't indicate prior invention. Take cars from Latin carrus/carrum "wheeled vehicle". Karl Benz invented the machine which we call a car. We wouldn't consider any unmotorised cart to be a car. The chariot races in ancient Rome and war chariots in ancient Egypt do not diminish his invention.
Just because they were different doesn't mean they were not predecessors.
Fish are predecessors of humans, everything comes from the big bang. It's still useful to name specific things like smartphones and distinguish them form early smartphone and things that aren't smartphones at all, like dumbphones with more buttons.
3. Regarding the A4, even though it was designed by Apple, it still used the Cortex A8 core design just with some modifications developed by a company called Intrinsity, alongside a PowerVR SGX535 GPU (also not an Apple design).
It's never going to be 100% Apple design. Purity is a myth. At some point you just consider it an development led by your own design team, who chose PowerVR SGX535 over something else. Invention is the integration of other people's ideas into something new, which you call the iPhone 4. Remember the A4 doesn't even exist as a standalone product. You can only make use of it within the first Retina smartphone. It's properties as a chip are completely theoretical. Other smartphone makers could've used the same CPU and GPU cores and never be able to create a device with the same performance.
So it really wasn't an Apple in-house design in terms of building their own architecture under the ARM license.
Yeah, but nobody said architecture. It's their own in-house designed chip. They didn't order the A4 from someone else, who conceptualised it for a 960×640 pixel smartphone.
The A6 was the first Apple-branded chip to use custom designs rather than existing Cortex core designs.
And the GPU wasn't a custom design, so why do you dare to call the A6 an Apple-designed chip? You make up an arbitrary threshold of own intellectual input and decide the A6 exceeded it and the A4 didn't.
Apple did purchase Intrinsity sometime after the A4 announcement, but they were an independent company at the time the A4 was developed.
Apple still hasn't purchased TSMC and TSMC hasn't purchased ASML. So maybe it's a Dutch chip after all? The point is beginning with the A4 they had a chip design team led by Johny Srouji.

Wikipedia:Johny_Srouji#Career
In 2008, Srouji led development of the Apple A4, the first Apple-designed system on a chip.[15]
4. Given that Steve Jobs himself once credited Xerox PARC with inventing the GUI, your last statement is a bit erroneous.
Of course they invented the GUI, but not the PC with a GUI. This makes them to what Otto Lilienthal is for the Brother's Wright. He came up with the wing design which creates uplift, but he didn't invent the first steerable, continuously flying, motorized, heavier than air, aircraft. And the later one is an incredibly useful flying machine the modern world couldn't do without. Whereas the former one developed into this:


Sometimes you've got to give it to the Americans that they came up with something useful.​
PARC was running GUIs on all of their networked workstations at the time, and Jobs himself later admitted that at the time of the visit, he was so focused on the GUI aspects that he completely missed the underlying networking aspects of what Xerox was running. What Apple did was bring the GUI to the general public, rather than keeping it behind closed doors.
Which is what invention means. Otherwise congratulation Otto Lilienthal, you've invented the airplane years after your deadly accident! 🏆 ✈️ 🥇

5. In 1994, Microsoft and Timex co-designed the Datalink 150 watch, which is widely considered to be the first true smartwatch.
Not by me. Microsoft's only invention was software licensing. Bill Gates bought Q-DOS for 10.000 USD after he had sold it to IBM for 186.000 USD and retained the right to sell it again to other people. And then I think Adobe were the first to charge you every month. Not as clever as the phone companies, who charge you be the second. Microsoft tried to be a truly innovative company, they desperately wanted to make tablets, terminals, video calls and mobile payments a thing. And it never led to more than aspirational videos of how the future would be.

Seiko released the Message Watch in 1995 and the Ruputer in 1998 (which had its share of flaws and weird design decisions). There were also notable attempts such as the Fossil Palm Pilot (2002), Microsoft SPOT (2003), and Nike Fuelband (2012).
There is no need to mention any of them. And I had a Casio calculator watch in the 80s.
Apple has a track record of not being the first company to a new field or device, but coming in a bit later and being among the best to have ever entered said market.
Nonsense. In fact they quickly lose market share in all markets they themselves invented. They are the innovators, who open up a new market and with luck they manage to haul in the lion's share of the profits by defending a premium segment among dozens of cheaper copycats, who sell more units and appear to be dominant market leaders.
While Apple was the first to bring a GUI based OS to the public, their mantra since Jobs' return to the company has been to make things better, not make them first.
That's certainly not what he did, when he stood on that stage and claimed, he reinvented the phone. The iPhone is not a phone. It replaced the phone and bankrupted all mobile phone makers that had existed prior. The iPad is not an improved slate or plate. No tablet market existed before. They were aspirational attempts at creating a computer in a tablet form factor, but so were aircraft designs that couldn't fly prior to the Wrights. And as Columbus demonstrated, once someone showed them how to do it, everyone can make a boiled egg stand upright.
 
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I was always satisfied by an iMac. But the new one, which I am using right now by the way, is way too slow for my needs and screen is too small.

I don't just want a bigger screen - I want it to have an ultrawide display. Like 2 displays in 1, because I am looking for dual screen.
 

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Yeah, they lacked by being harder to use than a dumbphone. Their main differentiator over regular phones was that they had buttons from A-Z instead of 0-9. A little easier for text input and nothing more. It's even questionable if the first iPhone was a true smartphone as it didn't ship with the App Store. Every phone we consider a smartphone today traces back to the iPhone 3G. It's no coincidence that Nokia, Palm, Blackberry are bankrupt today, neither of them could offer something similar to the iPhone, which is indeed NOT EVEN A PHONE. It's a category of handheld multipurpose computer. Just like smartwatches are NOT EVEN WATCHES. They are wearable multipurpose computers. Both can make calls and tell the time. The name of the thing, which used to describe its functionality, now only describes the form factor of a computer with an OS, which supports all kinds of functions.

Those are PDAs, personal digital assistants. Which just proves that the term smartphone is completely arbitrary. If one of those early ancestors had been successful in creating a vibrant app market, than smartphones would be called smartassistants today. And smartwatches also connect over the phone network. Their only connection to watches is that they occupy a spot on the wrist where a watch used to be. That's like calling TVs visualcabinets or smartpictures.

Humans need to come up with names for new things all the time and the easiest way is to just change the meaning of an old word, everybody already knows how to spell. But that doesn't indicate prior invention. Take cars from Latin carrus/carrum "wheeled vehicle". Karl Benz invented the machine which we call a car. We wouldn't consider any unmotorised cart to be a car. The chariot races in ancient Rome and war chariots in ancient Egypt do not diminish his invention.

Fish are predecessors of humans, everything comes from the big bang. It's still useful to name specific things like smartphones and distinguish them form early smartphone and things that aren't smartphones at all, like dumbphones with more buttons.

It's never going to be 100% Apple design. Purity is a myth. At some point you just consider it an development led by your own design team, who chose PowerVR SGX535 over something else. Invention is the integration of other people's ideas into something new, which you call the iPhone 4. Remember the A4 doesn't even exist as a standalone product. You can only make use of it within the first Retina smartphone. It's properties as a chip are completely theoretical. Other smartphone makers could've used the same CPU and GPU cores and never be able to create a device with the same performance.

Yeah, but nobody said architecture. It's their own in-house designed chip. They didn't order the A4 from someone else, who conceptualised it for a 960×640 pixel smartphone.

And the GPU wasn't a custom design, so why do you dare to call the A6 an Apple-designed chip? You make up an arbitrary threshold of own intellectual input and decide the A6 exceeded it and the A4 didn't.

Apple still hasn't purchased TSMC and TSMC hasn't purchased ASML. So maybe it's a Dutch chip after all? The point is beginning with the A4 they had a chip design team led by Johny Srouji.

Wikipedia:Johny_Srouji#Career
In 2008, Srouji led development of the Apple A4, the first Apple-designed system on a chip.[15]

Of course they invented the GUI, but not the PC with a GUI. This makes them to what Otto Lilienthal is for the Brother's Wright. He came up with the wing design which creates uplift, but he didn't invent the first steerable, continuously flying, motorized, heavier than air, aircraft. And the later one is an incredibly useful flying machine the modern world couldn't do without. Whereas the former one developed into this:


Sometimes you've got to give it to the Americans that they came up with something useful.​

Which is what invention means. Otherwise congratulation Otto Lilienthal, you've invented the airplane years after your deadly accident! 🏆 ✈️ 🥇


Not by me. Microsoft's only invention was software licensing. Bill Gates bought Q-DOS for 10.000 USD after he had sold it to IBM for 186.000 USD and retained the right to sell it again to other people. And then I think Adobe were the first to charge you every month. Not as clever as the phone companies, who charge you be the second. Microsoft tried to be a truly innovative company, they desperately wanted to make tablets, terminals, video calls and mobile payments a thing. And it never led to more than aspirational videos of how the future would be.


There is no need to mention any of them. And I had a Casio calculator watch in the 80s.

Nonsense. In fact they quickly lose market share in all markets they themselves invented. They are the innovators, who open up a new market and with luck they manage to haul in the lion's share of the profits by defending a premium segment among dozens of cheaper copycats, who sell more units and appear to be dominant market leaders.

That's certainly not what he did, when he stood on that stage and claimed, he reinvented the phone. The iPhone is not a phone. It replaced the phone and bankrupted all mobile phone makers that had existed prior. The iPad is not an improved slate or plate. No tablet market existed before. They were aspirational attempts at creating a computer in a tablet form factor, but so were aircraft designs that couldn't fly prior to the Wrights. And as Columbus demonstrated, once someone showed them how to do it, everyone can make a boiled egg stand upright.

"Not by me" summarizes your points better than I could. What you believe are not the actual facts, as evidenced by the links I provided in my earlier post. You seem to conflate 'designed by Apple' (as the A4 was using existing Cortex and PowerVR cores built by ARM themselves) with the A11 and later SoCs (where everything outside the base ARM ISA was designed by Apple and did NOT use existing Cortex or PowerVR cores). Furthermore, given that PARC was using their GUI on their networked workstations at the time Jobs and co. visited Xerox, that directly contradicts your claim that Apple invented the PC with a GUI. As I stated earlier, Apple brought the GUI to the public

You keep beating this drum claiming that Apple is always invents the markets they compete in, but they were NOT the first to release a smartphone, MP3 player, tablet, bluetooth headphones, streaming devices for the TV, smartwatch, and if the VR headset is real, they won't be the first in that market segment either. There is a difference between creating a market where nothing existed before and redefining an existing market. The latter is arguably what Apple has done in the smartphone, tablet, wearable, and PC markets.
 

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I was always satisfied by an iMac. But the new one, which I am using right now by the way, is way too slow for my needs and screen is too small.

I don't just want a bigger screen - I want it to have an ultrawide display. Like 2 displays in 1, because I am looking for dual screen.

What exactly are your needs that the current iMac is "too slow"? You may have picked the wrong machine for your needs if that's the case...
 
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You seem to conflate 'designed by Apple' (as the A4 was using existing Cortex and PowerVR cores built by ARM themselves) with the A11 and later SoCs (where everything outside the base ARM ISA was designed by Apple and did NOT use existing Cortex or PowerVR cores).
I conflate nothing, you just twist my words. Here is what I originally wrote:

"2010 A4, Apple's first in-house designed chip"

No word about the cpu/gpu cores. You conflate chip-design with core-design.
Furthermore, given that PARC was using their GUI on their networked workstations at the time Jobs and co. visited Xerox, that directly contradicts your claim that Apple invented the PC with a GUI. As I stated earlier, Apple brought the GUI to the public.
A workstation is not a personal computer. When Xerox tried to market their invention, they build the Xerox Alto, which was as big as a cabinet and would've cost 73,000 $ (in 2003 currency including inflation). In fact Xerox never build a PC and thy also didn't market their networking and printing inventions. Xerox did nothing with the results of PARC.
You keep beating this drum claiming that Apple is always invents the markets they compete in, but they were NOT the first to release a smartphone, MP3 player, tablet, ...
You keep making things up. In fact I conceded early on that the iPod was not an invention.

"The iPod was indeed no invention, just a well-made mp3 player. The innovation behind its success was the iTunes music store and the click wheel stolen from a Philips tv remote."

If you don't care to read what I write, you will never win an argument against me.
... and if the VR headset is real, they won't be the first in that market segment either.
It looks very real, but it's not a market segment yet. Just like the Xerox Alto, the Apple Reality Headset first must prove that there is a problem to which it is the right solution, otherwise you can hardly call it an invention.
There is a difference between creating a market where nothing existed before and redefining an existing market. The latter is arguably what Apple has done in the smartphone, tablet, wearable, and PC markets.
Yeah, then nobody invented the car, Karl Benz just redefined the carriage. At which point the term invention looses any meaning and we only argue about who redefined the wheel. Congratulations, you mutilated the English language!
 

Gudi

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It probably doesn't allow enough RAM, I know it wouldn't work for me because of that.
Have you actually tried it out? The RAM and SSD are very fast, even if limited in max size. The M1 iMac is probably still faster than previous Intel iMacs with more memory. You shouldn't buy it compared to a Mac Studio, if you crunch that many numbers. But it's not a substential regress over previous iMacs either, is it?

Anyway, I've always been convinced that a large-screen iMac with a much faster chip is still in the making.
 
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I conflate nothing, you just twist my words. Here is what I originally wrote:

"2010 A4, Apple's first in-house designed chip"

No word about the cpu/gpu cores. You conflate chip-design with core-design.

A workstation is not a personal computer. When Xerox tried to market their invention, they build the Xerox Alto, which was as big as a cabinet and would've cost 73,000 $ (in 2003 currency including inflation). In fact Xerox never build a PC and thy also didn't market their networking and printing inventions. Xerox did nothing with the results of PARC.

You keep making things up. In fact I conceded early on that the iPod was not an invention.

"The iPod was indeed no invention, just a well-made mp3 player. The innovation behind its success was the iTunes music store and the click wheel stolen from a Philips tv remote."

If you don't care to read what I write, you will never win an argument against me.

It looks very real, but it's not a market segment yet. Just like the Xerox Alto, the Apple Reality Headset first must prove that there is a problem to which it is the right solution, otherwise you can hardly call it an invention.


Again, the A4 may have been designed "by" Apple, but it used existing ARM designs for both the CPU and GPU cores. The first A-series SoC entirely designed by Apple (i.e., using no preexisting ARM core designs) was the A11. The A4 is akin to a child taking a LEGO set of a bulldozer and building a tractor out of it instead. The core components are the same, but the order in which the pieces are assembled are different. That's what the A4-A10 basically were.

You claim that I'm making things up, but I have been quoting AND responding to said quotes from you. That's not making things up, just what feels like an attempt at gaslighting by claiming you didn't say what you said earlier. This goes hand-in-hand with the "if you don't care to read what I write" garbage line.

How can the VR headset market not exist (as you claim above) when both the Oculus (now Meta) Quest and the HTC Vive have been out for years? I have been reading what you write, and it continues to a) contradict the facts (which I have presented numerous links to support) and b) shifting your advocacy as needed.
 

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I'm a little curious as to what will get you to upgrade if you have a mac, if you are thinking about it, or if you didn't consider it.
Switching from miniLED tech with its issues such as the blooming around highlights to microLED. Not particularly interested in any OLED stopgap measures, tiny microLED panels for the AW are supposed to arrive in just 2-3 years, and hopefully smaller laptop panels are not too far off then.

There is nothing else left that I am missing, the current ASi hardware is good enough for everything. It has more processing power and configuration options than I need and even though I do take advantage of my M1 Max sometimes, I could easily get by with a slower config for the next few years.

Even if battery life and performance were literally doubled in the next models and the Macbook's weight slashed in half, my 2021 model is good enough in all these disciplines that I still wouldn't want to pay for the upgrade. It wouldn't make any sense.
 
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