You are correct, and, if Sirius desired, I imagine they could develop a Touch app to stream the webbroadcast over WiFi. Don't get your hopes up though because the market is not likely large enough to warrant the development costs (especially since Sirius probably thinks that if you're tied to WiFi, you might as well use a laptop with full internet connection). It also could depend on how web streaming is defined in the contracts in question. You have to remember lawyers are very anal about defining their own terms in agreements....
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SIRIUS FAIL! No Howard Stern on Sirius iPhone App
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You are correct, and, if Sirius desired, I imagine they could develop a Touch app to stream the webbroadcast over WiFi. Don't get your hopes up though because the market is not likely large enough to warrant the development costs (especially since Sirius probably thinks that if you're tied to WiFi, you might as well use a laptop with full internet connection). It also could depend on how web streaming is defined in the contracts in question. You have to remember lawyers are very anal about defining their own terms in agreements....
Why, is he on yet another one of his vacations? The man already only works 4 days a week and phones his stuff in. He's become a hack in his old age.
For all you disappointed Hoo Hoo fans, check out the Virus in the comedy category, Opie and Anthony rule, and work FIVE days a week, and also take minimal vacations. Plus, Jim Norton is funnier and healthier than Artie Lange.
Sigh, do you not understand, there would be no satellite radio now at all if Stern didn't come to it, they would have gone out of business they couldn't repay the debt. The ratings for sirius are out, 60% of traffic are on 100/101. Numbers don't lie.
I called SiriusXM and they say that the channels *are* in the app. I explained that they're not and that I don't see them. They say that they are getting a LOT of calls about this. The woman I spoke with insisted the channels were there or would appear there within the next 24 hours.
I'm going to call again in a few minutes.
--DotComCTO
Actually the Playboy show can get pretty vulgar - Playboy won't let them do on-air penetration, but they do have shows where tehy talk pretty vulgar.
This is not about adult content as the Playboy show is sexual in nature - its Playboy! It's almost certain to be a rights issue and I wonder how much Howard himself is aware of it.
I think this is it. Broadcasting and media rights are a very complex issue. I think we can boil it down to these reasons:
1) The StarPlayer Application was a third party extension of the website - it was using that basis to get the audio stream and it was being done by a third party. Howard is on the web and the audio was sourced there. Obviously Sirius and XM complained and the app went bye bye. I think Stern knew this and was OK with that being that Sirus has no control - his contract had web availability enabled.
2) Playboy is an outside network and obviously was able to negotiate broader terms of availability - probably because they would not get in on their own.
3) RawDog and other adult channels are (I believe) controlled directly by Sirus and thus are available.
4) Stern (along with the sports networks) negotiated his contract very delicately to cover the broadcast and online spectrum. My guess is that Sterns ownership of the program rights (similar to NFL and MLB) is what is problematic here - Sirius would have to renegotiate these things because of how their broadcasting contracts work in relation to the program ownership.
Unless these contracts are revealed to us (and they typically are not) we won't know for sure. I remain 99.9% sure that this is what is going on and Stern was not fully aware about how the program was to work thinking it was the same exact way as the StarPlayer program did things. I think it boils down to the fact that Sirius has a greater obligation to control the streams over a third party.
That would be great, but just sounds like a CSR whgo doesn't know what they are talking about. Let us know what they say if you call again.
Yeah, I can almost guarantee this is just a clueless CSR. In fact, why would I expect a CSR to have any real concrete knowledge about a free application just released through a third party vendor....
Seriously......just get the OrbLive App....and stream Howard from your PC at home through Orb.......I've been listening to Howard Stern for about a year on my iPhone (using mycast.orb.com until the Orblive came out).
I have no idea what people are talking about paying extra for internet streaming.....I'm not paying a thing. They still offer the 128K stream for free....the 256K stream is what they are charging for......I also have the NFL Network channel setup as well.......
I have no idea what people are talking about paying extra for internet streaming.....I'm not paying a thing. They still offer the 128K stream for free....the 256K stream is what they are charging for......I also have the NFL Network channel setup as well.......
So, I would buy that line of reasoning *IF* you couldn't stream Howard 100/101 via the SiriusXM site. I fail to see the difference between streaming over the web to a browser and streaming over the web to the iPhone.
--DotComCTO
I'm streaming Howard via Pocket Tunes Radio. Thankfully, that still works. Still...what a joke that SiriusXM's own app doesn't deliver that stream.
--DotComCTO
You better look at your bill again, 256K stream? They don't offer a 256k stream. It's "no stream" or 128K for $2.99. Howard 100/101 is 48K.
The third party vendor is Apple. I never said it wasn't a Sirius designed app, but it is RELEASED through a third party vendor. It will take a few days for most Sirius/XM CSRs to learn about the app and its limitations.
So, I would buy that line of reasoning *IF* you couldn't stream Howard 100/101 via the SiriusXM site. I fail to see the difference between streaming over the web to a browser and streaming over the web to the iPhone.
--DotComCTO
The website states that all channels abailable on this app are the ones that they have licenses to bradcast on a mobile phone. Internet and mobile phones have different licenses.
So, I would buy that line of reasoning *IF* you couldn't stream Howard 100/101 via the SiriusXM site. I fail to see the difference between streaming over the web to a browser and streaming over the web to the iPhone.
--DotComCTO
Just because you don't see the difference does not mean there is not a LEGAL difference when it comes to licensing performance and broadcast rights. Web streaming is a different MEDIUM (legally) from mobile devices like cellphones. Howard's contract covered sat. broadcasting and web streaming. I'm guessing when they signed the contract that mobile phones were not even a consideration (given technology at the time). Therefore, the contract does not grant Sirius the rights to stream Howard to mobile devices through a cellular network. Sirius could possibly enable web streaming throught the iphone browser. But that is not the method used with the new app.
I suspect the actual problem is because of how much Sirius pays Howard, that they are trying to figure out how to make more money off of him on iphone. Might even be a seperate app, or down the road a pay in app option or something.
I just suspect it might show up as a way for them to make more money against Stern and the money they owe him.
I just suspect it might show up as a way for them to make more money against Stern and the money they owe him.
There is no 256k stream. Subscriber that are not in a contract were forced to pay an additional $3 per month for internet streaming or lose the ability to stream. They "justified" this by upgrading stream quality to 128k for music channels (not talk channels). They gave subscribers the opportunity to avoid the fee by signing another 2 year contract... but who wants to sign a 2 year contract with a company that may be headed for bankruptcy? I didn't.
If this is really Stern's decision then it makes no sense... Being included in this app would only increase his listeners, interest in his show, and interest in Howard TV. Not to mention his employer is desperately trying to fight off bankruptcy and the stock price is tanking (I believe a good portion of his pay was in stock). Is there any way this app could hurt him? I can't think of any...
I wondered about that as well. With the arrival of 3.0, they could potentially make an in app purchase for those channels. That would only piss the customers off more though... we are paying enough as it is for this service.
He's not on the app yet, but looks like they are working towards it.
Guess they have gone through this before when they were providing internet feed.
http://satwaves.com/blog/2009/06/18/sirius-xms-howard-stern-now-free-on-iphone/
Guess they have gone through this before when they were providing internet feed.
http://satwaves.com/blog/2009/06/18/sirius-xms-howard-stern-now-free-on-iphone/
My guess is that Sirius paid Howard to license web streaming when the online player came out. It is highly likely that Howard wants paid again for mobile device streaming. However, the difference is that Sirius is now very resource poor so who knows if they can afford what Howard is asking for in terms of licensing fees.
This has been in the podcast area for a while now, just a placeholder or something. Satwaves needs to do their homework.
Opie and Anthony are on!!!!!! Yes!
I am sure Howard is not on because Sirius and Howard are trying to figure out how to get even more money out of his loyal fans.
What amazes me is that Howard signs a 500 million dollar contract and then has the balls to only broadcast live 4 days a week! And fans just keep on going. Howie is a shadow of his former self and Artie can be really annoying at times.
Give me Jim Norton any day of the week.
I am sure Howard is not on because Sirius and Howard are trying to figure out how to get even more money out of his loyal fans.
What amazes me is that Howard signs a 500 million dollar contract and then has the balls to only broadcast live 4 days a week! And fans just keep on going. Howie is a shadow of his former self and Artie can be really annoying at times.
Give me Jim Norton any day of the week.