Snow Leopard on Unsupported PowerPC Macs

passatgt · Apr 11, 2021

Wrong thread...

Macbookprodude · Apr 11, 2021

Indeed for you wrong thread. This is about PPC Macs running Snow Leopatd.

Ludacrisvp · Apr 22, 2021

Any theories on this one?
Did a DMG restore of the 'working install' of 10a190 on an SSD with this eMac G4 800 OC'd to 900.
The Snow Leo Beta shows up in the open firmware boot selector, but its nearly instant panic during boot.
I looked a little in the thread but I can't find any real info on the G4 eMac beyond it "worked" with the 700Mhz model which is generally identical to this one.

I then used CCC inside Leopard to do a restore of the working install again just in case my DMG restore had an issue.
No change.

Fun facts, the ODD PATA port seems to run in DMA Mode 2 / PIO 4 as I can only get 12.5MB/s read/write performance (using dd write test of zeros) from the SSD connected to what the ODD was using which has a 40 conductor IDE cable, perhaps if i had used a 80 conductor cable it would have been faster but i don't have one laying around at this point to try.

The internal spinning disk hits 40MB/s read/write (which I had upgraded to a 320GB Maxtor Ultra ATA/133 drive back in the day.

Considering the 40MB/s speed from the spinning disk and google it sounds like that must be an Ultra ATA/66 connection with an 80 conductor cable as it was doing more than 33MB/s but less than 66MB/s. Further googling confirmed the ATA/66 connection.

I am a little bit surprised that there was essentially zero gain from the SSD, I can get about 45MB/s out of it if I'm lucky, I was really hoping that it could have been able to get closer to 60MB/s but it is what it is I guess. Maybe it handles random I/O better now, who knows. All i know is that most of the time in 10.5.8 the CPU is pegged at 100%.

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ChrisCharman · Apr 23, 2021

Ludacrisvp said:
Any theories on this one?
Did a DMG restore of the 'working install' of 10a190 on an SSD with this eMac G4 800 OC'd to 900.
The Snow Leo Beta shows up in the open firmware boot selector, but its nearly instant panic during boot.
I looked a little in the thread but I can't find any real info on the G4 eMac beyond it "worked" with the 700Mhz model which is generally identical to this one.

I then used CCC inside Leopard to do a restore of the working install again just in case my DMG restore had an issue.
No change.

Fun facts, the ODD PATA port seems to run in DMA Mode 2 / PIO 4 as I can only get 12.5MB/s read/write performance (using dd write test of zeros) from the SSD connected to what the ODD was using which has a 40 conductor IDE cable, perhaps if i had used a 80 conductor cable it would have been faster but i don't have one laying around at this point to try.

The internal spinning disk hits 40MB/s read/write (which I had upgraded to a 320GB Maxtor Ultra ATA/133 drive back in the day.

Considering the 40MB/s speed from the spinning disk and google it sounds like that must be an Ultra ATA/66 connection with an 80 conductor cable as it was doing more than 33MB/s but less than 66MB/s. Further googling confirmed the ATA/66 connection.

I am a little bit surprised that there was essentially zero gain from the SSD, I can get about 45MB/s out of it if I'm lucky, I was really hoping that it could have been able to get closer to 60MB/s but it is what it is I guess. Maybe it handles random I/O better now, who knows. All i know is that most of the time in 10.5.8 the CPU is pegged at 100%.

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If it’s not a corrupted copy of the dmg, it could be that the particular model requires a ‘personality’ or kext that the other tested machines do not. I would suggest a few things:

1) Download again and be sure to select ‘erase’ when performing a restore using Disk Utility
2) While running Leopard, view the currently loaded KEXTs on your system and compare them to the ones included in the extensions folder of 10A190 (particularly any that were patches from Leopard).
3) Try 10A096 client or server - you may have more luck

As an aside, if there is enough interest, i may upload a pre-prepared dmg of 10A096 which includes some of the fixes discussed previously to increase the options available for people not able to manually modify the developer seed.

Macbookprodude · Apr 23, 2021

Where are we with the QE/CI with snow Leopard PPC ?

MacPro2006VBox · Apr 23, 2021

Macbookprodude said:
Where are we with the QE/CI with snow Leopard PPC ?

Currently speaking only PCIe/PCI GPUs have Quartz Extreme/Core Image. AGP GPU’s like those found in my PowerMac G5 2.0 DP don’t have either of these.

Macbookprodude · Apr 23, 2021

What about a Titanium G4 PowerBook ? That has I think PCI ?

MacPro2006VBox · Apr 23, 2021

Macbookprodude said:
What about a Titanium G4 PowerBook ? That has I think PCI ?

The Rage series card is not supported, if your TiBook is old enough.

Ludacrisvp · Apr 23, 2021

ChrisCharman said:
If it’s not a corrupted copy of the dmg, it could be that the particular model requires a ‘personality’ or kext that the other tested machines do not. I would suggest a few things:

1) Download again and be sure to select ‘erase’ when performing a restore using Disk Utility
2) While running Leopard, view the currently loaded KEXTs on your system and compare them to the ones included in the extensions folder of 10A190 (particularly any that were patches from Leopard).
3) Try 10A096 client or server - you may have more luck

As an aside, if there is enough interest, i may upload a pre-prepared dmg of 10A096 which includes some of the fixes discussed previously to increase the options available for people not able to manually modify the developer seed.

I'd like to think it wasn't a corrupted DMG, it was downloaded via Torrent.

Can you confirm MD5 for me?
MD5 (SL 10A190 System.dmg) = 34611fa3fe8705ec90c93efefbfe568c

I set up a new SSD in Mojave with APM and restored the DMG using Mojave.
That panicked.
I then used CCC to restore the DMG over the top of that same partition.
That panicked.
I thought it was odd that AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement.kext was even mentioned in the verbose boot, so I tried removing it. Which did stop it from being mentioned in the boot process but still panicked the same way.

I restored the 10a190 installer ISO to another partition and added bootx to /System/Library/CoreServices, but it too panics, but it complains about something like no driver for this platform IIRC.

Code:

$ kextstat
Index Refs Address    Size       Wired      Name (Version) <Linked Against>
    1    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kernel (9.8.0)
    2   33 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kpi.bsd (9.8.0)
    3    3 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kpi.dsep (9.8.0)
    4   43 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kpi.iokit (9.8.0)
    5   46 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kpi.libkern (9.8.0)
    6   42 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kpi.mach (9.8.0)
    7   22 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kpi.unsupported (9.8.0)
    8    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.iokit.IONVRAMFamily (9.8.0)
    9    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.driver.AppleNMI (9.8.0)
   10    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.iokit.IOSystemManagementFamily (9.8.0)
   11    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.iokit.ApplePlatformFamily (9.8.0)
   12   30 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kernel.6.0 (7.9.9)
   13    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kernel.bsd (7.9.9)
   14    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kernel.iokit (7.9.9)
   15    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kernel.libkern (7.9.9)
   16    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kernel.mach (7.9.9)
   17   13 0x5c7000   0x14000    0x13000    com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily (2.6) <7 6 5 4>
   18    4 0x635000   0x5000     0x4000     com.apple.driver.IOPlatformFunction (1.8.7d5) <12>
   19    0 0xb0d000   0x10000    0xf000     com.apple.driver.AppleMacRISC2PE (1.8.7d5) <18 17 12 7 5 4>
   20    2 0x4cd000   0x4c000    0x4b000    com.apple.iokit.IOHIDFamily (1.5.5) <7 6 5 4 2>
   21    0 0x5c1000   0x6000     0x5000     com.apple.BootCache (30.4) <7 6 5 4 2>
   22   10 0x663000   0x21000    0x20000    com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily (1.5.6) <7 6 5 4 2>
   23    0 0x7e1000   0x16000    0x15000    com.apple.driver.DiskImages (199) <22 7 6 5 4 2>
   24    0 0x63d000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet (3) <7 6 5 3 2>
   25    0 0x7fb000   0xb000     0xa000     com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall (1.8.77) <7 6 5 4 2>
   26    0 0xb82000   0x1e000    0x1d000    com.apple.security.seatbelt (107.12) <7 6 5 3 2>
   27    0 0xc76000   0x3000     0x2000     com.apple.driver.AppleCore99NVRAM (1.1.1) <12>
   28    0 0x62b000   0xa000     0x9000     com.apple.driver.AppleMacRiscPCI (3.4.0) <17 12>
   29    1 0xb27000   0x5000     0x4000     com.apple.iokit.IOKeyLargo (1.7.2f1) <12>
   30    0 0xb2c000   0x7000     0x6000     com.apple.driver.AppleKeyLargo (1.7.2f1) <29 18 17 12>
   31    6 0x55f000   0x37000    0x36000    com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily (3.5.2) <7 6 5 4 2>
   32    0 0x806000   0xe000     0xd000     com.apple.driver.AppleUSBOHCI (3.4.6) <31 17 6 5 4>
   33    2 0x6f3000   0x5b000    0x5a000    com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily (3.4.9) <6 5 4 2>
   34    0 0x74e000   0x2f000    0x2e000    com.apple.driver.AppleFWOHCI (3.9.7) <33 17 7 6 5 4 2>
   35    4 0x68c000   0x1f000    0x1e000    com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily (1.6.1) <7 6 5 4 2>
   36    0 0xb59000   0xb000     0xa000     com.apple.iokit.AppleGMACEthernet (1.5.9f1) <35 17 6 5 4 2>
   37    0 0x623000   0x8000     0x7000     com.apple.driver.AppleI2C (4.0.0d2) <12>
   38    3 0x814000   0x12000    0x11000    com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily (2.0.1) <6 5 4 2>
   39    0 0x826000   0x3000     0x2000     com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA (1.1.1f1) <38 12>
   40    0 0xba7000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.iokit.AppleMediaBay (1.0.2f1) <12>
   41    0 0x781000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.driver.AppleMPIC (1.5.3) <17 12>
   42    0 0xb33000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.driver.MacIOGPIO (1.3.0d0) <12>
   43    0 0x77d000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.driver.AppleGPIO (1.3.0d0) <18 12>
   44    0 0xb1d000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.driver.AppleVIA (1.5.1d1) <12>
   45    0 0x63a000   0x3000     0x2000     com.apple.driver.AppleEMacClock (1.5.2d0) <18 12>
   46    0 0x519000   0x16000    0x15000    com.apple.driver.ApplePMU (2.5.6d2) <20 12 7 6 5 4>
   47    0 0xb3d000   0x13000    0x12000    com.apple.iokit.IOATABlockStorage (2.0.6) <38 22 6 5 4 2>
   48    4 0x641000   0x22000    0x21000    com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily (2.1.1) <6 5 4 2>
   49    0 0xb53000   0x6000     0x5000     com.apple.iokit.IOATAPIProtocolTransport (1.5.3) <48 38 12>
   50    0 0xb37000   0x6000     0x5000     com.apple.driver.XsanFilter (2.7.91) <22 12>
   51    0 0x5be000   0x3000     0x2000     com.apple.iokit.IOUSBUserClient (3.5.2) <31 7 6 5 4 2>
   52    0 0xbc2000   0x10000    0xf000     com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHub (3.4.9) <31 6 5 4>
   53    0 0x684000   0x8000     0x7000     com.apple.iokit.SCSITaskUserClient (2.1.1) <48 22 6 5 4 2>
   54    3 0x785000   0xb000     0xa000     com.apple.iokit.IOCDStorageFamily (1.5) <22 6 5 4 2>
   55    2 0x790000   0x7000     0x6000     com.apple.iokit.IODVDStorageFamily (1.5) <54 22 6 5 4 2>
   56    1 0x797000   0x7000     0x6000     com.apple.iokit.IOBDStorageFamily (1.5) <55 54 22 6 5 4 2>
   57    1 0x79e000   0x1b000    0x1a000    com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIBlockCommandsDevice (2.1.1) <48 22 6 5 4 2>
   58    1 0x7b9000   0x1d000    0x1c000    com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIMultimediaCommandsDevice (2.1.1) <57 56 55 54 48 22 6 5 4 2>
   59    0 0xb64000   0x3000     0x2000     com.apple.driver.PioneerSuperDrive (2.0.9) <58 12>
   60    0 0x7f7000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.driver.AppleUSBComposite (3.2.0) <31 5 4>
   61    0 0xb21000   0x6000     0x5000     com.apple.iokit.IOUSBHIDDriver (3.4.6) <31 20 6 5 4>
   62    0 0xba4000   0x3000     0x2000     com.apple.driver.AppleFileSystemDriver (1.1.0) <22 5 4>
   63    4 0x5db000   0x26000    0x25000    com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily (1.7.3) <17 7 6 5 4>
   64    3 0x601000   0x18000    0x17000    com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport (1.7.3) <63 17 7 6 5 4>
   65    2 0x829000   0x281000   0x280000   com.apple.NVDAResmanPPC (5.4.8) <64 63 17 12 6 5 4 2>
   66    0 0xaaa000   0x63000    0x62000    com.apple.nvidia.nv10hal (5.4.8) <65 17 12>
   67    0 0xb50000   0x3000     0x2000     com.apple.driver.AppleI2S (1.0.1f1) <12>
   68    1 0x6ab000   0x24000    0x23000    com.apple.iokit.IO80211Family (216.1) <35 7 6 5 4 2>
   69    1 0x6cf000   0x12000    0x11000    com.apple.driver.AppleAirPort (400.9) <68 35 7 6 5 4 2>
   70    1 0xbab000   0xc000     0xb000     com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily (9.4) <7 6 5 4 2>
   71    0 0xbb7000   0xb000     0xa000     com.apple.driver.AppleSCCSerial (1.3.2) <70 12>
   72    0 0xbd2000   0x3000     0x2000     com.apple.driver.AppleThermal (1.0.1f2) <5 4>
   73    0 0x7d6000   0xb000     0xa000     com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireIP (1.7.7) <35 33 6 5 4 2>
   74    1 0x52f000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.kext.OSvKernDSPLib (1.1) <6 5>
   75    6 0x533000   0x20000    0x1f000    com.apple.iokit.IOAudioFamily (1.6.9fc5) <74 6 5 4 2>
   76    4 0x553000   0xc000     0xb000     com.apple.driver.Apple02DBDMAAudio (2.5.8f1) <75 12>
   77    3 0x596000   0x14000    0x13000    com.apple.driver.Apple02Audio (2.5.8f1) <76 75 31 12>
   78    3 0x5aa000   0x3000     0x2000     com.apple.driver.AudioI2SControl (2.5.8f1) <12>
   79    0 0xba0000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.driver.AppleDACAAudio (2.5.8f1) <78 77 76 75 12>
   80    0 0x5ad000   0x11000    0x10000    com.apple.driver.AppleTexas2Audio (2.5.8f1) <78 77 76 75 12>
   81    0 0xb67000   0xe000     0xd000     com.apple.driver.AppleTexasAudio (2.5.8f1) <78 77 76 75 12>
   82    0 0x6e1000   0x12000    0x11000    com.apple.driver.AppleAirPortFW (400.9) <69 6 5 4 2>
   83    0 0xbd5000   0x9c000    0x9b000    com.apple.GeForcePPC (5.4.8) <65 64 63 17 12 6 5 4 2>
   84    0 0xc71000   0x5000     0x4000     com.apple.driver.AudioIPCDriver (1.0.6) <75 6 5 4 2>
   85    0 0x619000   0xa000     0x9000     com.apple.AppleOnboardDisplay (1.15.1) <64 63 17 7 6 5 4>
   86    0 0xb75000   0xd000     0xc000     com.apple.filesystems.autofs (2.0.2) <7 6 5 4 2>

I'm not sure how it would behave differently using the 'erase' option, this was a new un-used SSD, but I suppose I'll give that a go. If that doesn't bear fruit I guess I'll be comparing kexts.

Macbookprodude · Apr 23, 2021

MacPro2006VBox said:
The Rage series card is not supported, if your TiBook is old enough.

Radeon mobility 9000

MacPro2006VBox · Apr 23, 2021

Macbookprodude said:
Radeon mobility 9000

Yeah that probably won’t work, if the 9600 or 9800 doesn’t work.

Ludacrisvp · Apr 23, 2021

Ludacrisvp said:
I'm not sure how it would behave differently using the 'erase' option, this was a new un-used SSD, but I suppose I'll give that a go. If that doesn't bear fruit I guess I'll be comparing kexts.

I did a 'scan image for restore' of the DMG, it passed, I restored and used the erase option.
Same panic.

B S Magnet · Apr 24, 2021

Macbookprodude said:
What about a Titanium G4 PowerBook ? That has I think PCI ?

We’ve been over this. AGP GPUs from ATI (like Mobility Radeon and Rage) do not have hardware-accelerated QE/CI on the SL-PPC beta. This is documented in the WikiPost.

All Titanium PowerBooks have AGP buses for their GPUs, and they’re all running ATI video cards.

B S Magnet · Apr 24, 2021

Ludacrisvp said:

I'd like to think it wasn't a corrupted DMG, it was downloaded via Torrent.

Can you confirm MD5 for me?
MD5 (SL 10A190 System.dmg) = 34611fa3fe8705ec90c93efefbfe568c

I set up a new SSD in Mojave with APM and restored the DMG using Mojave.
That panicked.
I then used CCC to restore the DMG over the top of that same partition.
That panicked.
I thought it was odd that AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement.kext was even mentioned in the verbose boot, so I tried removing it. Which did stop it from being mentioned in the boot process but still panicked the same way.

I restored the 10a190 installer ISO to another partition and added bootx to /System/Library/CoreServices, but it too panics, but it complains about something like no driver for this platform IIRC.

Code:

$ kextstat
Index Refs Address    Size       Wired      Name (Version) <Linked Against>
    1    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kernel (9.8.0)
    2   33 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kpi.bsd (9.8.0)
    3    3 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kpi.dsep (9.8.0)
    4   43 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kpi.iokit (9.8.0)
    5   46 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kpi.libkern (9.8.0)
    6   42 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kpi.mach (9.8.0)
    7   22 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kpi.unsupported (9.8.0)
    8    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.iokit.IONVRAMFamily (9.8.0)
    9    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.driver.AppleNMI (9.8.0)
   10    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.iokit.IOSystemManagementFamily (9.8.0)
   11    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.iokit.ApplePlatformFamily (9.8.0)
   12   30 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kernel.6.0 (7.9.9)
   13    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kernel.bsd (7.9.9)
   14    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kernel.iokit (7.9.9)
   15    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kernel.libkern (7.9.9)
   16    1 0x0        0x0        0x0        com.apple.kernel.mach (7.9.9)
   17   13 0x5c7000   0x14000    0x13000    com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily (2.6) <7 6 5 4>
   18    4 0x635000   0x5000     0x4000     com.apple.driver.IOPlatformFunction (1.8.7d5) <12>
   19    0 0xb0d000   0x10000    0xf000     com.apple.driver.AppleMacRISC2PE (1.8.7d5) <18 17 12 7 5 4>
   20    2 0x4cd000   0x4c000    0x4b000    com.apple.iokit.IOHIDFamily (1.5.5) <7 6 5 4 2>
   21    0 0x5c1000   0x6000     0x5000     com.apple.BootCache (30.4) <7 6 5 4 2>
   22   10 0x663000   0x21000    0x20000    com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily (1.5.6) <7 6 5 4 2>
   23    0 0x7e1000   0x16000    0x15000    com.apple.driver.DiskImages (199) <22 7 6 5 4 2>
   24    0 0x63d000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet (3) <7 6 5 3 2>
   25    0 0x7fb000   0xb000     0xa000     com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall (1.8.77) <7 6 5 4 2>
   26    0 0xb82000   0x1e000    0x1d000    com.apple.security.seatbelt (107.12) <7 6 5 3 2>
   27    0 0xc76000   0x3000     0x2000     com.apple.driver.AppleCore99NVRAM (1.1.1) <12>
   28    0 0x62b000   0xa000     0x9000     com.apple.driver.AppleMacRiscPCI (3.4.0) <17 12>
   29    1 0xb27000   0x5000     0x4000     com.apple.iokit.IOKeyLargo (1.7.2f1) <12>
   30    0 0xb2c000   0x7000     0x6000     com.apple.driver.AppleKeyLargo (1.7.2f1) <29 18 17 12>
   31    6 0x55f000   0x37000    0x36000    com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily (3.5.2) <7 6 5 4 2>
   32    0 0x806000   0xe000     0xd000     com.apple.driver.AppleUSBOHCI (3.4.6) <31 17 6 5 4>
   33    2 0x6f3000   0x5b000    0x5a000    com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily (3.4.9) <6 5 4 2>
   34    0 0x74e000   0x2f000    0x2e000    com.apple.driver.AppleFWOHCI (3.9.7) <33 17 7 6 5 4 2>
   35    4 0x68c000   0x1f000    0x1e000    com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily (1.6.1) <7 6 5 4 2>
   36    0 0xb59000   0xb000     0xa000     com.apple.iokit.AppleGMACEthernet (1.5.9f1) <35 17 6 5 4 2>
   37    0 0x623000   0x8000     0x7000     com.apple.driver.AppleI2C (4.0.0d2) <12>
   38    3 0x814000   0x12000    0x11000    com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily (2.0.1) <6 5 4 2>
   39    0 0x826000   0x3000     0x2000     com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA (1.1.1f1) <38 12>
   40    0 0xba7000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.iokit.AppleMediaBay (1.0.2f1) <12>
   41    0 0x781000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.driver.AppleMPIC (1.5.3) <17 12>
   42    0 0xb33000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.driver.MacIOGPIO (1.3.0d0) <12>
   43    0 0x77d000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.driver.AppleGPIO (1.3.0d0) <18 12>
   44    0 0xb1d000   0x4000     0x3000     com.apple.driver.AppleVIA (1.5.1d1) <12>
   45    0 0x63a000   0x3000     0x2000     com.apple.driver.AppleEMacClock (1.5.2d0) <18 12>
   46    0 0x519000   0x16000    0x15000    com.apple.driver.ApplePMU (2.5.6d2) <20 12 7 6 5 4>
   47    0 0xb3d000   0x13000    0x12000    com.apple.iokit.IOATABlockStorage (2.0.6) <38 22 6 5 4 2>
   48    4 0x641000   0x22000    0x21000    com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily (2.1.1) <6 5 4 2>
   49    0 0xb53000   0x6000     0x5000     com.apple.iokit.IOATAPIProtocolTransport (1.5.3) <48 38 12>
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I'm not sure how it would behave differently using the 'erase' option, this was a new un-used SSD, but I suppose I'll give that a go. If that doesn't bear fruit I guess I'll be comparing kexts.

When you used CCC, did you run it via Block Copy? If not then give it a try with that selected for the destination volume you’ll be using. Likewise, if using Disk Util, an image with the bootable volume will need to be scanned for restore first (an option under the menubar) before using the Restore tab.

MacPro2006VBox · Apr 24, 2021

B S Magnet said:
We’ve been over this. AGP GPUs from ATI (like Mobility Radeon and Rage) do not have hardware-accelerated QE/CI on the SL-PPC beta. This is documented in the WikiPost.

All Titanium PowerBooks have AGP buses for their GPUs, and they’re all running ATI video cards.

The FX5200 Ultra found in the AGP G5’s also don’t have QE/CI.

Macbookprodude · Apr 24, 2021

Ok, so really the Dual-core G5 plus Quad that have PCIe are supported. I may bring out my quad then and try it.

Ludacrisvp · Apr 24, 2021

B S Magnet said:
When you used CCC, did you run it via Block Copy? If not then give it a try with that selected for the destination volume you’ll be using. Likewise, if using Disk Util, an image with the bootable volume will need to be scanned for restore first (an option under the menubar) before using the Restore tab.

Ccc wasn’t a block copy, it was the standard backup and replace anything on target that wasn’t on source.

when I did the dmg restore last night I used disk utility and it passed the scan for restore option And I restored using erase.

still panics.

im wondering if the dmg is bad as /sbin/launchd is a zero byte file Causing the error 8 panic.
I replaced the zero byte file with one from the 10a190 install disc which “file” reported it having both intel and ppc code.
panic changed to still be launchd but error 88 instead of 8.

B S Magnet · Apr 24, 2021

Ludacrisvp said:
Ccc wasn’t a block copy, it was the standard backup and replace anything on target that wasn’t on source.

when I did the dmg restore last night I used disk utility and it passed the scan for restore option And I restored using erase.

still panics.

im wondering if the dmg is bad as /sbin/launchd is a zero byte file Causing the error 8 panic.
I replaced the zero byte file with one from the 10a190 install disc which “file” reported it having both intel and ppc code.
panic changed to still be launchd but error 88 instead of 8.

You will need to Block Copy from the source image to the destination volume. Try that, and let us know how it goes.

Ludacrisvp · Apr 24, 2021

B S Magnet said:
You will need to Block Copy from the source image to the destination volume. Try that, and let us know how it goes.

Isn’t that what the restore is doing when using disk utility?

Macbookprodude · Apr 24, 2021

Ludacrisvp said:
Isn’t that what the restore is doing when using disk utility?

Yes

Ludacrisvp · Apr 24, 2021

Macbookprodude said:
Yes

So then considering I’ve done that twice via disk utility (once in Mojave and once in leopard) I don’t see how using CCC to do a block copy would behave any differently.

Macbookprodude · Apr 24, 2021

Ludacrisvp said:
So then considering I’ve done that twice via disk utility (once in Mojave and once in leopard) I don’t see how using CCC to do a block copy would behave any differently.

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Ludacrisvp · Apr 24, 2021

This is how I've done it in Leopard.
I didn't feel like running another restore at the moment as that takes time so I just grabbed the log from Disk Utility.

B S Magnet · Apr 25, 2021

Ludacrisvp said:
Isn’t that what the restore is doing when using disk utility?

I advised it as a process of elimination, nothing more.

My next suggestion is to consider using the 10A96 client build from the WikiPost on page one and following the steps discussed on the next couple of pages to successfully install on and boot with your eMac.

Also, as he‘s been successful with getting it to run on an eMac 700MHz, @Larsvonhier may be able to advise on specifics related to that hardware. I only have applied experience installing and running this on PowerBook G4 DLSD models.

Ludacrisvp · Apr 26, 2021

Found a different copy of the pre-installed system elsewhere online.

My previous attempts have been using the 5.2Gb version, I'll try to find some time tonight to see if I can get the 3.2Gb image to work.

That being said both versions of this seem to have all of /sbin filled with zero byte files.
At least they look to be zero on the surface but du sees size to them.

Code:

3.2G    PPC_SL_10A190.dmg
  0B    PPC_SL_10A190.dmg_3b4b1504373ea8f29c99b9f3bb7933348fb7527b.sha1
 
5.2G    SL 10A190 System.dmg
  0B    SL_10A190_System.dmg_c2af27b7988623c8eb1ee90536c4fc64f34278ff.sha1

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