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Snow Leopard vs. Windows 7
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Based upon the latest build of Windows 7 (Build 7057), it is shaping up extremely well and will certainly be Microsoft's best to date. Based upon the latest build of Mac OS 10.6, we know that Apple will be releasing a new OS version at some point in the future...but not much else. Either way, both are probably going to end up being worthwhile updates--which one is better depends more upon which you prefer working with. Computers and software are finally nearing the point where most modern operating systems 'work,' making the 'best' point moot.
In reality, a place I suspect you rarely visit, the simple fact of the matter is that MacDailyNews are insane zealots who live in a distorted reality field, and they have no "truth" to offer. Criticizing Windows is all fine and well, but these guys would never stop there because they're driven by uncontrollable hate and spew so much bile when rabidly spitting out the words with clenched teeth, they need advanced therapy.
Furthermore I don't really know what a "PC fanboy" is. There are hundreds of different PC manufacturers as well as homebuilt machines, and there are lots of different operating systems other than Windows, ranging from various Linux flavors to Hackintosh OS X. It's like calling someone a "music fanboy"... which genre? Which artists?
A Mac fanboy however is dead easy to pin down: One Computer, One OS, One Führer...
you just. dont. get. it.
really, show me an alternative thats commercially acceptable as ProE or solidworks
or fluent
pretty please lol
osx isnt the best in every situation
If you weren't so rude in nearly every one of your posts, I'd probably feel sorry for you, since you've clearly been brain washed somehow. I didn't believe there was a Mac fanboy alive as rabid as you, but dang...
Listen. Some people prefer PC's. I know a friend of my mother who used Mac's at work for nearly 10 years. Guess what? She likes Vista more. That's her choice, Windows works better for her. Is it really possible you can't grasp your head around this concept? I like Windows, it's a very decent OS. It isn't just for poor people as you seem to have implied.
you just. dont. get. it.
really, show me an alternative thats commercially acceptable as ProE or solidworks
or fluent
pretty please lol
osx isnt the best in every situation
How about:
http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/ac11/
http://www.lemkesoft.com/xd/public/content/index._cGlkPTE3MA_.html
http://www.interstudio.net/DigicadE.html
as CAD programs, just to name a few
or Houdini Apprentice HD as a substitute to Fluent
http://www.sidefx.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1002
If OS X is truly the best operating system in the world, then there's no need for Apple to provide Boot Camp with every computer.
I think one of the main reasons why "people who go Mac never go back", is because there's no need to. They can just run Windows with Boot Camp.
I think one of the main reasons why "people who go Mac never go back", is because there's no need to. They can just run Windows with Boot Camp.
oook, none of those programs are substitutes
ProE and Solidworks are 3d engineering modeling software that are able to analyze loads and all sorts of fun stuff as well.......and you gave me links for a mapping (2d) cad programs. may as well given me google sketchup lol. Not to mention in the industry, those two programs are pretty much the industry standard which is important
as for fluent, you apparently have no idea what it is do you? it is a (CFD) fluid dynamics flow analysis program that deals with stuff like drag, lift and all sorts of goodies that are dependent on your model and mesh. why you gave me a CG link is beyond me
once again, osx is not ideal in many cases PERIOD
the fact that osx does not have a viable option for mathcad is a downer as well
oook, none of those programs are substitutes
ProE and Solidworks are 3d engineering modeling software that are able to analyze loads and all sorts of fun stuff as well.......and you gave me links for a mapping (2d) cad programs. may as well given me google sketchup lol. Not to mention in the industry, those two programs are pretty much the industry standard which is important
as for fluent, you apparently have NO idea what it is do you? it is a (CFD) fluid dynamics flow analysis program that deals with stuff like drag, lift and all sorts of goodies that are dependent on your model and mesh. why you gave me a CG link is beyond me
once again, osx is not ideal in many cases PERIOD
the fact that osx does not have a viable option for mathcad is a downer as well
I agree 100% these are not substitutes and it's a real shame. I have used Pro-E, SolidWorks, and Fluent for mechanical engineering projects and I wish I could get some of these programs for Macintosh. I can see why there are no alternatives, though. It's a chicken and egg problem. No one is willing to invest the copious amounts of time needed to port these programs or make a viable alternative (making a viable alternative would be extremely difficult by the way) and no engineers are going to live in OS X because the software they need isn't available.
With that said, I think every engineer should seriously look at owning a Mac with a Windows partition. One thing they always say is that it doesn't matter how good your solution to a problem is if you can't communicate that to others. Programs such as the iWork suite are excellent tools for making presentations and information booklets to 'sell' your idea. Sure Numbers is a joke when it comes data crunching, but it sure can present information in a professional matter. Keynote is lightyears better than PowerPoint and every time I have given a presentation with it at school, I have many faculty and students comment that it was one of the best presentations they have seen.
When it comes to engineering, use Windows for your data crunching and OS X to show off.
P-Worm
I guess that just depends on what you're doing. I have found Matlab to be my favorite math tool, but I am specializing in robotics where we live in matrix algebra. There's also Maple if you like the symbolic approach. Out of curiosity, did you use Matlab when you were studying at Colorado St. (I assume you've graduated now?)
P-Worm
This thread has essentially become a Win vs. Mac thread, instead of a comparison of the new announced features in Windows 7 and Snow Leopard.
Snow Leopard will have OpenCL, which will allow the OS to use the power of GPUs to general-purpose computing. I've heard that DirectX 11 will bring a similar feature in Windows 7. So far, I didn't hear of Windows 7 also adopting OpenCL. Does anybody know how these two technologies compare? Will it be OpenGL vs. DirectX all over again?
Snow Leopard will have OpenCL, which will allow the OS to use the power of GPUs to general-purpose computing. I've heard that DirectX 11 will bring a similar feature in Windows 7. So far, I didn't hear of Windows 7 also adopting OpenCL. Does anybody know how these two technologies compare? Will it be OpenGL vs. DirectX all over again?
OP, bad place to ask the question.
If Win 7 has anything mildly good or interesting, leave it to this place to bash it and claim "who needs it anyway?"
I think we can only really tell once both come out.
QuickTime X looks promising and if Final Cut Studio 3 is optimized for Snow Leopard, I'll be happy.
On the other hand, Windows 7 looks very promising! I will definitely have to install it on my Mac and give it a go.
If Win 7 has anything mildly good or interesting, leave it to this place to bash it and claim "who needs it anyway?"
I think we can only really tell once both come out.
QuickTime X looks promising and if Final Cut Studio 3 is optimized for Snow Leopard, I'll be happy.
On the other hand, Windows 7 looks very promising! I will definitely have to install it on my Mac and give it a go.
No comparison
Well, not to sound biased, but generally speaking anything out of Redmond is badly designed rubbish designed with the sole purpose to make $$ not to make customers happy, so I would tend to lean towards Snow Leopard Seriously, if Microsoft were a car company, they would have been sued into oblivion with "lemon law" litigation. People are so used to the way their Windows computer works, or doesn't, they assume that's the way it is supposed to be.
I have been a Linux and Opensource user for more than 10 years and recently switched my primary system to an aging G4. Nothing Microsoft has ever come up with can even hold a candle to this system in terms of stability and useability IMHO, and I am running Tiger on an 8 year old DA.
I know this probably wasn't supposed to be a bashing thread but I get so steamed when Microsoft products are compared to "real" software like OSX, Linux or BSD.
I'll get off my soapbox now, sorry if I offended anyone.
Well, not to sound biased, but generally speaking anything out of Redmond is badly designed rubbish designed with the sole purpose to make $$ not to make customers happy, so I would tend to lean towards Snow Leopard
Seriously, if Microsoft were a car company, they would have been sued into oblivion with "lemon law" litigation. People are so used to the way their Windows computer works, or doesn't, they assume that's the way it is supposed to be. I have been a Linux and Opensource user for more than 10 years and recently switched my primary system to an aging G4. Nothing Microsoft has ever come up with can even hold a candle to this system in terms of stability and useability IMHO, and I am running Tiger on an 8 year old DA.
I know this probably wasn't supposed to be a bashing thread but I get so steamed when Microsoft products are compared to "real" software like OSX, Linux or BSD.
I'll get off my soapbox now, sorry if I offended anyone.
Well, not to sound biased, but generally speaking anything out of Redmond is badly designed rubbish designed with the sole purpose to make $$ not to make customers happy, so I would tend to lean towards Snow Leopard
I have been a Linux and Opensource user for more than 10 years and recently switched my primary system to an aging G4. Nothing Microsoft has ever come up with can even hold a candle to this system in terms of stability and useability IMHO, and I am running Tiger on an 8 year old DA.
I know this probably wasn't supposed to be a bashing thread but I get so steamed when Microsoft products are compared to "real" software like OSX, Linux or BSD.
I'll get off my soapbox now, sorry if I offended anyone.
Really? Well, I use both Windows and MacOS. I've tried several distros of Linux, but I've found it to be way inferior to Windows and MacOS to the point I can't even think of using it.
With the price of my m1730 and m17 I can afford 3 Macbook Pros 17-inch model. Oh yes, and they're both PCs.
That's very very good point. I think this is a way Apple saying that if you don't like our OS, you can still install Windows via Boot Camp and keep the notebook/desktop you just bought from us.
As I always said before, the OS is a tool, you use the best one depending on your needs. Don't let Microsoft or Apple decide that for you (they only want your wallet) And don't let them tell which is the "perfect OS". It's perfect only from them, for their uses and work, but may NOT be for you.
That's very very good point. I think this is a way Apple saying that if you don't like our OS, you can still install Windows via Boot Camp and keep the notebook/desktop you just bought from us.
I think the percentage of people who buy a Mac but don't like OSX so they run Windows is much smaller than those who need to use Windows either for work or gaming.
I'm the stereotypical PC guy, but I use a Mac laptop because I think the hardware design is superior and I enjoy using OSX. Because I can run Windows on it when I need to do work (VMware) and play a game (Bootcamp), it becomes a viable option.
Price-wise, I didn't think they were all that out of whack compared to other similar (but design-inferior) products I looked at. Certainly the customer service has been better than anything I'd get from Dell/Sony/HP.
Back to the topic of the thread:
I've used both 10.6 and the latest build of Win7. It's hard to say one's better than the other one. Win7 has more visible changes over Vista, where 10.6 at this point is all under the hood changes. The latest build of W7 was pretty solid (running it as my bootcamp now), where in 10.6 I had problems with SMB mounting.
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John
I agree 100% these are not substitutes and it's a real shame. I have used Pro-E, SolidWorks, and Fluent for mechanical engineering projects and I wish I could get some of these programs for Macintosh. I can see why there are no alternatives, though. It's a chicken and egg problem. No one is willing to invest the copious amounts of time needed to port these programs or make a viable alternative (making a viable alternative would be extremely difficult by the way) and no engineers are going to live in OS X because the software they need isn't available.
With that said, I think every engineer should seriously look at owning a Mac with a Windows partition. One thing they always say is that it doesn't matter how good your solution to a problem is if you can't communicate that to others. Programs such as the iWork suite are excellent tools for making presentations and information booklets to 'sell' your idea. Sure Numbers is a joke when it comes data crunching, but it sure can present information in a professional matter. Keynote is lightyears better than PowerPoint and every time I have given a presentation with it at school, I have many faculty and students comment that it was one of the best presentations they have seen.
When it comes to engineering, use Windows for your data crunching and OS X to show off.
P-Worm
Ain't this a God given truth.
Well you're a very successful troll, that's for sure. You've managed to get everyone here riled up. I mean I hope you're just trolling and don't actually believe the crap you're posting.
Microsoft has a massive amount of technology to stabilize (for an example, .NET platform, Server tech etc) for the Business world (primary focus). Even though they have Server OS, for development environments, everyone uses Consumer OS. So, it takes time and is a slow process. Their secondary focus is the consumer aspect of it (the UI, making transitions easy).
At this point, Microsoft has made much more innovations and technology advances than Apple in the Business World. They cater to a larger amount of people so it's takes more time for Microsoft to stabilize. It's the same argument as why Japan has 100Mbps internet connections while the US has something like 25Mbps. It's because US has more infrastructure to handle.
At this point, Microsoft has made much more innovations and technology advances than Apple in the Business World. They cater to a larger amount of people so it's takes more time for Microsoft to stabilize. It's the same argument as why Japan has 100Mbps internet connections while the US has something like 25Mbps. It's because US has more infrastructure to handle.
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