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All Devices So, I’m assuming... Mail is just gonna stay broken...

I've glanced through the thread but curious:

What specifically isn't working under Mail in iPadOS and iOS? I did experience issues with syncing and fetching on my Mac Pro's between my iPhone 11 Pro and iPad Pro 11" but they seemed to be resolved under iOS 13.3.1 and weren't as prominent as more updates were released. Specifically, Anytime I checked my Mail on any of my devices, it wouldn't immediately reflect on my other devices. Initially, at some point after iOS 13 was released (as a developer this wasn't a bug I experienced but some did, not many as I recall), I experienced such a lag that I had to close down the app and even restart my devices to get syncing to properly function. Now, there is a slight lag (20-30 seconds at most) before the mail app on my iDevices reflects any changes made.

Otherwise, I find the Mail app in iOS 13 to finally be decent enough for an everyday driver. Improved flags is especially welcome although I wish flag syncing between macOS and iPadOS/iOS would be added instead of just color options.
 
scouser75 said:
Yup. The problem goes beyond mail. You also can't sync reminders and calendar alerts if you make amendments on a Mac. E.g. If you get a reminder alert on your phone and Mac, if you delay it in the mac it won't delay it on your phone and there under will remain on the screen. She applies to calendar alerts.
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Messages app is broken too, there is no excuse for stock apps that Apple has built to be this dysfunctional in which they have no idea how to fix. This is like building a house and not knowing what kind of material you used to build it.
 
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I don't mean this to suggest that this isn't a mass issue as it is nor that anyone else hasn't tried it nor that this is the only "fix" to make what should be perfectly functioning stock apps work BUT

Has anyone tried wiping their devices, installing iPadOS/iOS 13 and not from a backup? I only ask as I did that with all my Mac's (although I have my main Mac Pro's running Mojave as I simply do not like Catalina for off topic reasons) and my iPad Pro 11 and iPhone 11 Pro and I'm not experiencing these issues as I did before.

Just a thought... [ducks] lol
 
What makes absolutely no sense is how some people claim mail works perfectly great and others are experiencing issues. The people that claim they have perfectly working devices just don’t know.It’s either broken or it’s not for each and every single device out there. Apple doesn’t make 2 different softwares. Most don’t know about the issues or are too ignorant to understand them.
 
Ipadfever said:
What makes absolutely no sense is how some people claim mail works perfectly great and others are experiencing issues. The people that claim they have perfectly working devices just don’t know.It’s either broken or it’s not for each and every single device out there. Apple doesn’t make 2 different softwares. Most don’t know about the issues or are too ignorant to understand them.
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Not everything is so black and white. There could be different configurations / settings at play causing the issue.
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uandme72 said:
Have people facing problem on 13.3.1 submitted feedback?
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I've been submitting feedback since the first public beta.

Mail still doesn't download new messages unless the app is open, sends duplicates of every message, only pushes notifications after I've opened the app, and clears all notifications from all accounts when swiping away just one.

It doesn't take 6 months to fix a web app. Apple only cares about subscriptions and diversity points.
 
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martyjmclean said:
I've been submitting feedback since the first public beta.

Mail still doesn't download new messages unless the app is open, sends duplicates of every message, only pushes notifications after I've opened the app, and clears all notifications from all accounts when swiping away just one.

It doesn't take 6 months to fix a web app. Apple only cares about subscriptions and diversity points.
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Agreed.
But how to revolt!!
 
You get a banner with a new email, subject and first line or two as usual, Mail app shows a red dot with 1 on it to also show new mail received, click the Mail app to see the email list but the new email is not listed and not showing at all. You can then wait 10 -20 seconds and the Mail app will then catch up and the email appears, OR, you can pull the list down and respring the email list and it will then straight away show the new email. This only started with the iOS13 betas, before that straight away on opening the Mail app the new email would be sat there ready to be viewed. My fiancee also has the same issue since moving to 13 and I'm reminded pretty much every day how annoying it is and since I'm the tech one in the house and I do the updates that I broke her phone!
 
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IMAP related> In iOS 12, there were no push notifications for Mail. After fetching emails every 15 minutes, if there were new emails, the notification would pop up. In iOS 13, the notifications are Push and independent of the Mail App ( which still fetches emails every 15 minutes). I have gotten used to this and don't see anything wrong in it. Outlook mail app was also like this for me in iOS 12. Notifications would arrive instantly, but mails had to be downloaded.
Whether the mail app is Broken or Different, is for each one to decide.
 
Well mine is the same on iCloud, Gmail, IMAP and exchange. It's behavior has changed from iOS12 to iOS13 and the fact that Apple hasn't come out and said this is how it's now meant to work to me simply means it's actually broken and just not working correctly.
 
riteshritesh said:
IMAP related> In iOS 12, there were no push notifications for Mail. After fetching emails every 15 minutes, if there were new emails, the notification would pop up. In iOS 13, the notifications are Push and independent of the Mail App ( which still fetches emails every 15 minutes). I have gotten used to this and don't see anything wrong in it. Outlook mail app was also like this for me in iOS 12. Notifications would arrive instantly, but mails had to be downloaded.
Whether the mail app is Broken or Different, is for each one to decide.
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How can an IMAP mail account which is not supporting APNS Push notifications, generate push mail notifications in native Mail app. I think you are still getting fetch notifications and not Push for IMAP mail accounts on native Mail app of iOS.
 
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uandme72 said:
How can an IMAP mail account which is not supporting APNS Push notifications, generate push mail notifications in native Mail app. I think you are still getting fetch notifications and not Push for IMAP mail accounts on native Mail app of iOS.
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GApps Grandfathered legacy mail. I suppose I do get instant notifications. I haven't checked the free Gmail account for that though.
 
Ipadfever said:
What makes absolutely no sense is how some people claim mail works perfectly great and others are experiencing issues. The people that claim they have perfectly working devices just don’t know.It’s either broken or it’s not for each and every single device out there. Apple doesn’t make 2 different softwares. Most don’t know about the issues or are too ignorant to understand them.
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I resent that I'm too ignorant to know if I'm having issues with mail (or any other app) on my devices. I have NO issues on my devices with my mail and I can assure you that I would know otherwise
 
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riteshritesh said:
GApps Grandfathered legacy mail. I suppose I do get instant notifications. I haven't checked the free Gmail account for that though.
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Paid Google Apps accounts use the ExchangeActivesync (EAS) protocol. This is a “push” protocol. Under the hood your device is making a long running (if I remember correctly something like a default max timeout of 10 minute) HTTP GET call to the server. Your device sits there waiting, if the EAS server (in this case Google’s) receives an email in that timeframe it immediately responds to the GET with the contents of that new mail. Your device then issues a new EAS HTTP GET and waits again.

Non-paying Gmail accounts use IMAP. Now Google does implement a forked implementation of IMAP IDLE that some mail clients support (Google’s own Gmail app) to implement push mail. However Apple native mail only supports industry standard IMAP. IMAP does not by itself enable push mail, it is mostly there to synchronize the contents of mail folders. The Apple native mail client has to periodically poll (fetch) Gmail IMAP servers to ask for a folder sync. If there’s new mail it is then synced for the Apple mail app.
 
minimo3 said:
Paid Google Apps accounts use the ExchangeActivesync (EAS) protocol. This is a “push” protocol. Under the hood your device is making a long running (if I remember correctly something like a default max timeout of 10 minute) HTTP GET call to the server. Your device sits there waiting, if the EAS server (in this case Google’s) receives an email in that timeframe it immediately responds to the GET with the contents of that new mail. Your device then issues a new EAS HTTP GET and waits again.

Non-paying Gmail accounts use IMAP. Now Google does implement a forked implementation of IMAP IDLE that some mail clients support (Google’s own Gmail app) to implement push mail. However Apple native mail only supports industry standard IMAP. IMAP does not by itself enable push mail, it is mostly there to synchronize the contents of mail folders. The Apple native mail client has to periodically poll (fetch) Gmail IMAP servers to ask for a folder sync. If there’s new mail it is then synced for the Apple mail app.
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my understanding is there is IMAP idle which apple could include in the app, which feels the same as push mail for accounts like gmail
 
Well, in the darkness of 13.3.1, a spot of light can be seen. I just tested the Reminders issue where P
previously if you amend a reminder on your Mac it didn't sync across to your I device. With 13.3.1 this process now works. It's very slow to.sync across from Mac to I device, but it does work.
 
uandme72 said:
How does it help for free Gmail and Yahoo accounts?
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On iOS, nothing, on MacOS it'll depend whether those support IDLE. I believe gmail does. No idea about yahoo; I'm always surprised when I see that word as I assumed the company died years ago. I'll do a search on askjeeves and see what I can find ...
 
riteshritesh said:
In iOS 13, the notifications are Push and independent of the Mail App ( which still fetches emails every 15 minutes).
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This is simply not true. I run an IMAP mail server and I have changed nothing with it, nor have I configured it in anyway to deliver push notifications to Apple (frankly, I know of no open source software that would integrate with a mail transfer agent (MTA, as they are called) to do this).

On my iOS 12 devices, IMAP mail is checked every 15 minutes. If there's a new email, it is fetched and a notification is triggered. On my iOS 13 device, well, I'm not sure. I sometimes get notifications, sometimes don't. When I do get a notification I often go into Mail and the email is not there (as described above) unless I refresh or wait 20-seconds. Sometimes I have no unread messages but the badge still shows a number unless I go into mail and refresh.
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adrianlondon said:
IDLE is supported on the Apple Mail app in MacOS, not iOS.
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This is definitely true. I don't have a Mac anymore but when I did it supported IDLE (which the IMAP server I run does support) and emails appeared immediately. My desktop machine runs Debian Linux, that uses Evolution for email and supports IDLE as well; emails appear there instantly.
 
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scouser75 said:
Well, in the darkness of 13.3.1, a spot of light can be seen. I just tested the Reminders issue where P
previously if you amend a reminder on your Mac it didn't sync across to your I device. With 13.3.1 this process now works. It's very slow to.sync across from Mac to I device, but it does work.
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The above comment strikes as now it isn't working again!!! Something seriously is wrong with Apple. Dare I say it, it's gone rotten!!!
 
For those with the new emails not showing up without a refresh:
Did you get a new iPhone since iOS 13 came out or are you using the same device you had for iOS 12?
If you’re on a new iPhone, how did you set the new phone up?
 
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