So M1 Max with 32 Core GPU matches RTX 3080 Mobile.

[iBug2]

I don't think there's anything left to say. RTX 3080 Mobile has the following specs:

M1Max 32 Core GPU offers 10.4 TFLOPs compute, 327 GTexels/s and 165 GPixels/s rates.

Texture and pixel fill rates exceed RTX 3080 Mobile but computing performance is half as much. (Wonder why that is).

 

[Serban55]

The m1 max is around 3070 mobile and not 3080
We all expected that and we gladly love to see this happening..now we must wait also for real tests

 

[iBug2]

Wel, on paper it matches 3080. They compared it with a Razer 15 Advanced with 3080 RTX and said that it delivers the same performance with 100Watt less power.

 

[Gnattu]

Wel, on paper it matches 3080. They compared it with a Razer 15 Advanced with 3080 RTX and said that it delivers the same performance with 100Watt less power.

You are mixing slides up.
That Razer 15 Advanced is compared on the 40% lower power slide, so that RTX 3080 is run at ~100 watts, which is not on par with the RTX 3080 in those gaming notebooks that eats 180 watts for the GPU.

 

[JMacHack]

*estimated

Always bait for wenchmarks

 

[iBug2]

You are mixing slides up.
That Razer 15 Advanced is compared on the 40% lower power slide, so that RTX 3080 is run at ~100 watts, which is not on par with the RTX 3080 in those gaming notebooks that eats 180 watts for the GPU.

Not mixing anything up. This is Razer with RTX 3080.

M1 Max matches this almost, it's not 100% but it's basically the same.

And they said 4X the performance of 5600M, which also matches 3080 Mobile specs.

 

[Gnattu]

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Not mixing anything up. This is Razer with RTX 3080.

M1 Max matches this almost, it's not 100% but it's basically the same.

And they said 4X the performance of 5600M, which also matches 3080 Mobile specs.

This slide they are comparing it with MSI GE76 Raider, not the Razer. It is comparing to 'High-end PC laptop', and the bottom right corner says 'High-end PC laptop data from MSI GE76 Raider'

 

[mi7chy]

That's sales marketing hype without accounting for memory bottleneck which at this point we don't know if it's LPDDR4 or LPDDR5 since specs don't specify. Even with LPDDR5 which has an upper bandwidth of 56 GB/s it's still no match for 336 GB/s bandwidth of GDDR6 on 3060 and 384 GB/s on 3080. To tame your expectations don't even expect 3060.

Here's an example of performance impact of GDDR vs DDR on same dGPU.

 

[Gnattu]

That's sales marketing hype without accounting for memory bottleneck which at this point we don't know if it's LPDDR4 or LPDDR5 since specs don't specify. Even with LPDDR5 which has an upper bandwidth of 56 GB/s it's still no match for 336 GB/s bandwidth of the GDDR6 on 3060 and 384 GB/s on 3080. To tame your expectations don't even expect 3060.

Here's an example of performance impact of GDDR vs DDR on same dGPU.

Did you even watched the keynote? M1 Max has 400 GB/s memory bandwidth with 512-bit memory bus, and yes it is based on LPDDR5.

 

[sunny5]

That's sales marketing hype without accounting for memory bottleneck which at this point we don't know if it's LPDDR4 or LPDDR5 since specs don't specify. Even with LPDDR5 which has an upper bandwidth of 56 GB/s it's still no match for 336 GB/s bandwidth of GDDR6 on 3060 and 384 GB/s on 3080. To tame your expectations don't even expect 3060.

Here's an example of performance impact of GDDR vs DDR on same dGPU.

The bandwidth bottleneck is not a problem because it's Apple Silicon. Do you even aware that TBDR GPU does NOT require high bandwidth unlike other GPU? Also, the unified memory is way faster than current dGPU. You are comparing with different products after all. Apple Silicon is NOT PC anymore. Apple make their own chip and it's totally different from PC parts.

 

[Jorbanead]

*estimated

Always bait for wenchmarks

Yes. But Apple recently has been pretty conservative in their claims, so it’s not unrealistic to believe what they say in the keynotes.

 

[sunny5]

The m1 max is around 3070 mobile and not 3080
We all expected that and we gladly love to see this happening..now we must wait also for real tests

Mobile 3070 consumes up to 125W. How the hell does it consumes up to 170W??

 

[iBug2]

This slide they are comparing it with MSI GE76 Raider, not the Razer. It is comparing to 'High-end PC laptop', and the bottom right corner says 'High-end PC laptop data from MSI GE76 Raider'

Sorry my bad, it's the Raider that has the 3080 RTX. Just mixed the name but the GPU is RTX 3080.

 

[Gnattu]

Sorry my bad, it's the Raider that has the 3080 RTX. Just mixed the name but the GPU is RTX 3080.

This is where Nvidia (and perhaps most OEMs?) been evil. The same name does not mean the same performance, so we have to add the power given to that 'named' GPU for a proper picture of how fast that thing actually is.

 

[leman]

Well guys, curb your enthusiasm. This was probably in some video content creation workflow where UMA gives Apple a big advantage.

 

[iBug2]

This is where Nvidia (and perhaps most OEMs?) been evil. The same name does not mean the same performance, so we have to add the power given to that 'named' GPU for a proper picture of how fast that thing actually is.

This is the one inside Raider. The Texture and Pixel fill rate basically match M1Max.

 

[leman]

That's sales marketing hype without accounting for memory bottleneck which at this point we don't know if it's LPDDR4 or LPDDR5 since specs don't specify. Even with LPDDR5 which has an upper bandwidth of 56 GB/s it's still no match for 336 GB/s bandwidth of GDDR6 on 3060 and 384 GB/s on 3080. To tame your expectations don't even expect 3060.

Erm, the M1 Max has 400GB/s of bandwidth over 512bit LPDDR5 bus. There won’t be any issues in that area - at all.

 

[sunny5]

This is where Nvidia (and perhaps most OEMs?) been evil. The same name does not mean the same performance, so we have to add the power given to that 'named' GPU for a proper picture of how fast that thing actually is.

But MSI GE76 Raider uses mobile 3080.

 

[sunny5]

Erm, the M1 Max has 400GB/s of bandwidth over 512bit LPDDR5 bus. There won’t be any issues in that area - at all.

But way slower than GDDR6 and HBM2e but we'll see since Apple Silicon uses TBGR and unified memory.

 

[iBug2]

But MSI GE76 Raider uses mobile 3080.

I think he means that there are several different Mobile 3080's which use different power.

 

[sunny5]

I think he means that there are several different Mobile 3080's which use different power.

Ah I see. Well, each laptop can configure different power consumption so yeah. Might be difficult. We probably need to compare with mobile 3080 with 170W.

 

[diamond.g]

Mobile 3070 consumes up to 125W. How the hell does it consumes up to 170W??

Cause it is a full GA104 die (Desktop 3070ti).

This is where Nvidia (and perhaps most OEMs?) been evil. The same name does not mean the same performance, so we have to add the power given to that 'named' GPU for a proper picture of how fast that thing actually is.

Yeah it is annoying. AMD does the same thing (the 6800M isn’t Navi21).

 

[leman]

But way slower than GDDR6 and HBM2e but we'll see since Apple Silicon uses TBGR and unified memory.

How many laptops do you know that have significantly higher RAM bandwidth? Not to mention that these chips likely come with humongous caches that will put any current dGPU to shame.

 

[iBug2]

Ah I see. Well, each laptop can configure different power consumption so yeah. Might be difficult. We probably need to compare with mobile 3080 with 170W.

"There is little doubt that the 165-Watt RTX 3080L that MSI has outfitted in this GE76 Raider is plenty capable."

So it looks like, this is the one.

 

[sunny5]

How many laptops do you know that have significantly higher RAM bandwidth? Not to mention that these chips likely come with humongous caches that will put any current dGPU to shame.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Mobile Specs

NVIDIA GA104, 1560 MHz, 5120 Cores, 160 TMUs, 80 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Both mobile 3080 and 3070 have 448 GB/s bandwidth. Mobile 3060 has 336.0 GB/s.