So M1 Max with 32 Core GPU matches RTX 3080 Mobile.

[mi7chy]

Watch the RTX 3080 165W with a huge 300W power brick getting destroyed when unplugged (like a true laptop should be), even in performance mode while using 4 times more battery power! Only 29 fps vs 92 for M1 Max running a Rosetta game.

Watch the 16" M1 Max kill the battery in about 1 hour 36 mins and become a dead 4.8 pound brick away from wall outlet. RTX3080 drops down to about 40W power limit on battery and still plays all games better overall although at lower quality settings and for longer.

 

[jeanlain]

Performance mode is auto disabled on battery.

The PC still consumed 8% of its battery capacity running the test, while the Mac consumed 2%.

 

[quarkysg]

Watch the 16" M1 Max kill the battery in about 1 hour 36 mins and become a dead 4.8 pound brick away from wall outlet. RTX3080 drops down to about 40W power limit on battery and still plays all games better overall although at lower quality settings and for longer.

How long will the RTX 3080 laptop @40W last on battery power?

 

[Fomalhaut]

I was surprised Apple were offering me good money for my 2017 August 15.4". Goodness knows what would happen to my computer - it runs fine, it must go someplace ...

In many countries you can buy one from Apple and return it inside 14 days. Check that Apple do that where you live. Better than rent if you are ready to run your program.

When the upgrades happen, refurbs might have some good deals ... some time away for affordability I reckon ... you might end up with your trials machine ...

I'm curious how you got a trade in price from Apple Australia. I asked for a price on my 2019 MBP16 and was told it was not eligble for trade-in. Which Apple page did you get the price from?

 

[Melbourne Park]

I'm curious how you got a trade in price from Apple Australia. I asked for a price on my 2019 MBP16 and was told it was not eligble for trade-in. Which Apple page did you get the price from?

On Apple's web site. I logged onto to buying, and the trade in option was there. I filled the serial number of my MBP, and it offered I think close to $700.

Mine's a 2017 August update, with 500 GB drive, 16 GB RAM, 2.9Ghz i7 Quad core, and a 4 GB Radeon Pro 560 GPU.

I did have the keyboard replaced, though, which came with a new battery. Maybe their database knows about that?

Also, I did it soon after the new MBP came up ... maybe the next day? Maybe Apple have backed out on that.

I also tried my Mac Pro 2010 (same as a 2012) - Apple offered to re-cycle it. NO WAY dudes. And I bet someone would have taken it home. It's still got a very nicely yellowed original keyboard with a very long action ... priceless. With a cable too ... and type 1 or 2 USB ports on either end. Very handy.

Edit: Just checked it again.
Select the computer you want
Then hit select.
The window on the right side will show "Customise your Macxxxxxxxx
The trade in area is inbetween the fixed options (like the charger) and the options (disk, ram, etc).
Your's will be worth a lot more than mine.

 

[mi7chy]

How long will the RTX 3080 laptop @40W last on battery power?

Just divide the battery size in watt hour by consumption in watt. For example, 100Wh/60W = 1.6 hours vs 100Wh/40W = 2.5 hours.

On the 14" M1 Max it's even worse since battery size is 70Wh / 60W = 1.17 hours and there's the issue of hair dryer fan noise at load.

 

[quarkysg]

Just divide the battery size in watt hour by consumption in watt. For example, 100Wh/60W = 1.6 hours vs 100Wh/40W = 2.5 hours.

Don't think it works like that. The MBP has 100Wh battery and it's drawing more than 100W from the wall. So it should have less than 1 hour of operation on battery, yet it manages more than an hour. It could go the other way. So computation doesn't mean much without actual test, don't you agree?

Edit: @jeanlain posted a few posts back that the PC laptop consumed 8% of battery while the MacBook Pro consumed 2% doing the same test. So based on that data, it means the PC cannot last more than 1hr 36 mins even at 40W?

Edit 2: In your post earlier, you did claim that the PC can play for longer. So you must have the figures. Common, let's share the data.

 

[Surne]

Just divide the battery size in watt hour by consumption in watt. For example, 100Wh/60W = 1.6 hours vs 100Wh/40W = 2.5 hours.

On the 14" M1 Max it's even worse since battery size is 70Wh / 60W = 1.17 hours and there's the issue of hair dryer fan noise at load.

Damn, that's way louder than the Legion 7 in that other video. I'm sure that could be addressed by Apple with an updated fan curve. It also might be a bad thermal paste job from the factory that is causing the CPU/GPU to run hotter than they normally would.

 

[Pressure]

RTX3080 drops down to about 40W power limit on battery and still plays all games better overall although at lower quality settings and for longer.

That "although" means we are back to comparing apples to oranges. At least run things at the same settings ... it's not hard ??‍♂️

We can safely say that NVIDIA and AMD have had the luxury of time to optimise their drivers for Windows and have had many applications optimised for them as such.

Once developers get the ball rolling and optimise for Apple's GPU things will start to look better. The potential is clearly there and the M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max defines the base line performance to expect from their respective form factors.

 

[mi7chy]

Don't think it works like that. The MBP has 100Wh battery and it's drawing more than 100W from the wall. So it should have less than 1 hour of operation on battery, yet it manages more than an hour. It could go the other way. So computation doesn't mean much without actual test, don't you agree?

Just because the M1 Max is drawing more than 100W from the wall doesn't mean the system is consuming over 100W because it's consumption + charging the battery + AC to DC conversion lost etc. 1 hour 36 mins is 1.6 hours so it's around that ballpark.

 

[quarkysg]

Just because the M1 Max is drawing more than 100W from the wall doesn't mean the system is consuming over 100W because it's consumption + charging the battery + AC to DC conversion lost etc. 1 hour 36 mins is 1.6 hours so it's around that ballpark.

I'll give you that. That's why my point is that we cannot just calculated the run time, and I think you agree judging from your respond.

Now back to your claim that the PC can play for longer than 1 hr 36mins on battery ... I'm waiting.

 

[crazy dave]

Don't think it works like that. The MBP has 100Wh battery and it's drawing more than 100W from the wall. So it should have less than 1 hour of operation on battery, yet it manages more than an hour. It could go the other way. So computation doesn't mean much without actual test, don't you agree?

Edit: @jeanlain posted a few posts back that the PC laptop consumed 8% of battery while the MacBook Pro consumed 2% doing the same test. So based on that data, it means the PC cannot last more than 1hr 36 mins even at 40W?

Edit 2: In your post earlier, you did claim that the PC can play for longer. So you must have the figures. Common, let's share the data.

In macOS Monterey you can also turn on low power mode if you really want to … Would actually make for an interesting performance test for the new machines: what FPS they get on their optional low power mode

 

[quarkysg]

In macOS Monterey you can also turn on low power mode if you really want to … Would actually make for an interesting performance test for the new machines: what FPS they get on their optional low power mode

I would guess even at low power, the 16" MBP would be able to achieve more than 30FPS tho ... heh heh.

 

[magbarn]

Watch the RTX 3080 165W with a huge 300W power brick getting destroyed when unplugged (like a true laptop should be), even in performance mode while using 4 times more battery power! Only 29 fps vs 92 for M1 Max running a Rosetta game.

Where are the Witcher 3, Doom Eternal, Mass Effect, RDR2 benchmarks? Oh wait....
My MBP 16 M1Max gets about 1:30 on battery playing Starcraft 2 which of course is Rosetta. Which is nice and all, but you can definitely hear the fans running, I really don't ever game unplugged, and I would want more available games if I was buying this almost $4000 laptop for gaming on the side.

 

[anticipate]

Just because the M1 Max is drawing more than 100W from the wall doesn't mean the system is consuming over 100W because it's consumption + charging the battery + AC to DC conversion lost etc. 1 hour 36 mins is 1.6 hours so it's around that ballpark.

Very accurate. The laptop uses a maximum of 80 W when it's fully fully energized on both the CPU and GPU. It's usually a bit lower than that though, even while gaming I saw about 60 to 70 W meaning you would get an hour and a half or so out of the battery if you are totally maximizing out the processors while gaming. When you are under still pretty extensive workloads but not constantly pinning the processor like video editing it's closer to four hours. Because the only time you really ping the processors is when you are video rendering or exporting. It's quite good. For reference the old 16 inch got just under an hour so it's still 50% more battery in this kind of high usage scenario.

 

[Homy]

Performance mode is auto disabled on battery.

Source, me. I own a Legion 5 Pro with a full powered RTX 3070. The Legion 7 uses the exact same Lenovo Vantage software as my Legion 5 Pro.

Watch the 16" M1 Max kill the battery in about 1 hour 36 mins and become a dead 4.8 pound brick away from wall outlet. RTX3080 drops down to about 40W power limit on battery and still plays all games better overall although at lower quality settings and for longer.

Did you watch the video? Performance mode is on in the video. People say the 30 fps cap is on by Nvidia but they admit even without it the 3080 couldn't reach as high fps as M1 Max on battery.

Yes, M1 Max naturally drains the battery with heavy usage but how long would that 3080 last at the same performance level? 24 min according to the video!

 

[jeanlain]

The PC with RTX 3080 consumed 8% of its battery to run the SoTR test at 29 fps, and the Mac consumed 2% to run the test at 92 fps. The difference in perf/W looks a bit too large to be true.
In particular, the "GPU bound" percentage seems too high for the RTX card. Or perhaps it doesn't exactly represent GPU usage. Because at 44% usage, the RTX 3080 should yield much more than 29 fps. ?

EDIT: when plugged in, the RTX yields 137 fps while the test is 32% GPU bound. That suggests that the card is heavily downclocked when the laptop is unplugged. But even then, its frequency would have to be reduced by about 6.5x (137/32 / (29/44)).
That doesn't make sense.

 

[Surne]

Did you watch the video? Performance mode is on in the video. People say the 30 fps cap is on by Nvidia but they admit even without it the 3080 couldn't reach as high fps as M1 Max on battery.

Yes, M1 Max naturally drains the battery with heavy usage but how long would that 3080 last at the same performance level? 24 min according to the video!

I watched the video. He used the Windows slider to set it to max performance but that doesn't actually work as the Lenovo Vantage software overrides it and forces it's own settings.

On battery Vantage will set it to battery mode by default (quiet mode), disregarding the Windows setting.

You can actually force high performance mode through Vantage if someone wanted to and it will run at full power as if it were plugged in. The battery of course won't last nearly as long as the MacBook though. People would need to turn screen brightness down and wifi off etc for any meaningful play time in that instance.

 

[mi7chy]

16" M1 Max gaming battery life could be as short as 23 minutes before it starts crashing in a worse case scenario.

 

[crazy dave]

I watched the video. He used the Windows slider to set it to max performance but that doesn't actually work as the Lenovo Vantage software overrides it and forces it's own settings.

On battery Vantage will set it to battery mode by default, disregarding the Windows setting.

I think the point was to show that he wasn’t messing with sliders in any way other than to take it off battery so that this was how the laptop responds to being off battery with nothing you can do about it. Oddly in contrast to Apple which lets you choose the performance mode you want running off battery since you can choose to stick it in low power mode or not.

 

[mr_roboto]

The PC with RTX 3080 consumed 8% of its battery to run the SoTR test at 29 fps, and the Mac consumed 2% to run the test at 92 fps. The difference in perf/W looks a bit too large to be true.

Starting from 100% was probably a mistake on the tester's part. It's more difficult to measure the true state-of-charge of a battery when it's full, or close to full, and Apple's reporting gets a little wonky in that range. Probably true on Windows laptops too.

Were I running the test, I'd probably run both down to somewhere in the 70-80% range before starting the test.

 

[Surne]

I think the point was to show that he wasn’t messing with sliders in any way other than to take it off battery so that this was how the laptop responds to being off battery with nothing you can do about it. Oddly in contrast to Apple which lets you choose the performance mode you want running off battery since you can choose to stick it in low power mode or not.

My post above was edited to add some more info relating to Lenovo Vantage which addresses your comment. You can choose power plans. It needs to be done through Vantage.

 

[mi7chy]

Nobody with common sense relies on partial battery gauge especially Apple's that tends to hover around 100% longer than usual. Only trustworthy way is measuring time from 100% to shutdown.

 

[crazy dave]

16" M1 Max gaming battery life could be as short as 23 minutes before it starts crashing in a worse case scenario.

That’s not what that video says. Also Apple gives you the option of a low power mode when on battery. You also haven’t done a similar test for the Lenovo laptop on either mode since apparently you can indeed force high power mode on battery.

Nobody relies on partial battery gauge especially Apple's that tends to hover around 100% longer than usual. Only trustworthy way is measuring time from 100% to shutdown.

Great, then post the same test for a 3080 Lenovo in high and low power states

 

[crazy dave]

My post above was edited to add some more info relating to Lenovo Vantage which addresses your comment. You can choose power plans. It needs to be done through Vantage.

Do you have a list of the power plans? I’m having trouble finding a detailed description of them and their effects on power.