iPhone X So much hate for the iPhone X

[lordofthereef]

iPhone 8 = $700 ($300 difference)
iPhone 8 Plus = $800 ($200 difference)
Galaxy S9 = $800-$850 (rumored) ($150-$200 difference)
Galaxy S9+ = $900-$950 (rumored) ($100-$50 difference)
Galaxy Note 8 = $950 ($50 difference)
iPhone X = $999

I don't see the X as being that far from the new normal as far as major brand flagships and pricing goes. I do think the X is $100 overpriced though. I think $899 is about right for it and if it were priced there maybe there would be less hate.



How long have you owned the X?

Sorry, I was $50 off. I respect your opinion, but my opinion is that this thing isn't $300 better than an 8. The galaxy s8 (the comparable device, I don't go based on rumor and future releases) is $749. Beyond that there are constantly sales and deals on these devices, unlike iPhone. That's obviously a manufacturer/carrier setup, but the point is, I wouldn't be paying the $749 for it anyway. Maybe a couple hundred dollar difference doesn't matter to you, or others. That's perfectly fine. When looked at as a percentage increase, it isn't nothing. In business, fractions of a percent matter. Here we are talking well north of 10%. Just trying to keep it in perspective.

For the record, I don't find the stainless steel apple watch to be worth the premium either. Unfortunately it is the only way to get the nearly impossible to scratch screen. I'd much more happily drop $100 over base just for the screen. Ofc ourse, Apple knows very well what they're doing.
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Is a BMW 5 Series worth $20,000 more than a Honda Accord which is the same size and moves the same amount of passengers on the same roads from Point A to Point B?

The answer is in the brand image, the product styling, and the functional details. To many, the X is worth every penny of the $350 difference in that context.

Maybe. IDK. Never tried one. Personally I am also comparing Apple's other models. I can put this another way. OMOLED screen and face ID aren't worth $300 to me. I've kept it long enough that it's mine now, and I am nowhere near as disappointed as I was with the 6 plus (that was the worst iPhone I have ever used; others are still using it and reporting it's great).

Is the screen gorgeos? Sure. Is faceID awesome? Arguable; it works very well for me, except in the car, which is a bit of a bother since I have my phone on a mount and swap music that way. It is more of a distraction than previous phones were. Irregardless of what tech is in the thing, I base the value I put into an item in its utility to me. I can honestly say it is only situationally better than TouchID, and while I am impressed with it, it wasn't at all a selling point.

I am well aware it's worth it for some folks... I was sharing my opinion, which I think I made very clear, and was adding to the discourse. I am not sure what the purpose of responding to my opinion (again, clearly labeled as such) with telling me other find it worth it is? Never denied that.
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The thing is, there’s no other device on the market at present that you can compare with the iPhone X. The display and face detection technology alone is worth the extra money. But again, that’s a personal opinion / choice. “Worth” is always relative.

Absolutely. That's exactly why I made it clear that this was my opinion, and not an overall law of the land. To be honest I am surprised I got so many responses lol. People respond as if I am saying the phone is a ripoff and not worth it and that we are al fools for having bought one.. When you clearly explain your statement is based on your own experiences, I don't know that I could be any more clear that this is a personal opinion and preference.

It's a great phone that I spent more money on than I should have, which I will keep in mind moving forward, assuming this is how flagship iPhone prices remain.

 

[russelljg]

Absolutely. That's exactly why I made it clear that this was my opinion, and not an overall law of the land. To be honest I am surprised I got so many responses lol. People respond as if I am saying the phone is a ripoff and not worth it and that we are al fools for having bought one.. When you clearly explain your statement is based on your own experiences, I don't know that I could be any more clear that this is a personal opinion and preference.

It's a great phone that I spent more money on than I should have, which I will keep in mind moving forward, assuming this is how flagship iPhone prices remain.

Sadly, your opinion with which I happen to agree gets translated as ‘hate’ by some of the more vociferous around here.

 

[eplchamps]

For some it was too much of an expense to be justified. Also they never really needed a new phone. I mean if you had an 8 why would you even consider an X unless you had money to play with.

 

[raqball]

I mean if you had an 8 why would you even consider an X unless you had money to play with.

• Larger screen in same size form factor as an 8.
• faceID
• Gestures are more intuitive than using the home button
• OLED -v- LCD
• Better camera than the 8
• Fresh design -v- large bezels on 8 and 8 Plus

I made the change from the 8 and to me it was worth the $300 difference. Most people are on payment plans so it's probably a $10 a month difference on their bill. Does the X offer $10 a month in value? That's for each person to decide.

 

[eplchamps]

• Larger screen in same size form factor as an 8.
• faceID
• Gestures are more intuitive than using the home button
• OLED -v- LCD
• Better camera than the 8
• Fresh design -v- large bezels on 8 and 8 Plus

I made the change from the 8 and to me it was worth the $300 difference. Most people are on payment plans so it's probably a $10 a month difference on their bill. Does the X offer $10 a month in value? That's for each person to decide.

Yes I agree it’s worth it. I’m referring to those that complain of the price.

 

[raqball]

Yes I agree it’s worth it. I’m referring to those that complain of the price.

I do think it's slightly overpriced but that can also be said for just about every Apple product out there. $1K is about the going rate for flagship phones these days. Heck the Note 8 is $950. It will be interesting to see where Samsung prices the S9..

I don't think Apple is going to anything with the prices and the Xs (or whatever its called) released later this year will probably be priced the same. An Xs Plus will be pushing $1,200 for the base more than likely.

 

[eplchamps]

I do think it's slightly overpriced but that can also be said for just about every Apple product out there. $1K is about the going rate for flagship phones these days. Heck the Note 8 is $950. It will be interesting to see where Samsung prices the S9..

I don't think Apple is going to anything with the prices and the Xs (or whatever its called) released later this year will probably be priced the same. An Xs Plus will be pushing $1,200 for the base more than likely.

All these phones are expensive if you think about it. I had the s8 and an $50 Android. Apart from speed and camera they both did the same thing. Buying an expensive phone is not a must. It’s like buying a Nike sneaker over a champion brand.

 

[44267547]

All these phones are expensive if you think about it. I had the s8 and an $50 Android. Apart from speed and camera they both did the same thing. Buying an expensive phone is not a must. It’s like buying a Nike sneaker over a champion brand.

Eventually I think smart phones have to reach a A cap at some point being how expensive can they are available for resale versus what the consumer can actually afford based on what they want from a smart phone. But I agree with what Raqball said, anyone who finances a smart phone, should base it on what can they afford it, not just what they want.

 

[boltjames]

For some it was too much of an expense to be justified. Also they never really needed a new phone. I mean if you had an 8 why would you even consider an X unless you had money to play with.

Since the 8 and the X came out within seconds of each other, the 8 is owned by people who decided they didn't want the X. It's the wrong phone to look at as a comparison.

The real revelation is that so many people with 6's and 6S's patiently waited and didn't buy the marginally different 7, 7S, and 8. They were rewarded for their patience with the greatest iPhone ever made which has been Apple's best seller every week since it was released and has allowed Apple to surpass Samsung as the worlds number one supplier of smartphones.

The lesson learned? There are plenty of people who can afford a top of the line smartphone no different than they can afford a Mercedes Benz S Class or a BMW 7 Series. The wealthy have spoken, we want a premium iPhone, we don't want what everyone else has, and we've propelled Apple to new heights of popularity and profitability.

 

[jav6454]

Eventually I think smart phones have to reach a A cap at some point being how expensive can they are available for resale versus what the consumer can actually afford based on what they want from a smart phone. But I agree with what Raqball said, anyone who finances a smart phone, should base it on what can they afford it, not just what they want.

I think that should already be a rule of thumb. As per a tech cap, don't know about that. I mean, I think that at one point phones won't be upgraded as much simply because the tech that powers the phone hasn't had a real breakthrough in the past decade. Couple that with how far you can stretch power efficiencies and any phone will cap out due to physical power limitations.

You can't power everything you need without sacrificing features and expecting the same battery life. I think the iPhone X has pretty much proven that.

 

[Evangeline]

It’s just the many videos on yt saying why i returned my iphone x.

You don't really know how youtube works, do you? Controversy and drama makes money.

 

[jav6454]

Yes I agree it’s worth it. I’m referring to those that complain of the price.

You have to understand that for some, the price is not worth it because they don't feel the price justifies what the X offers. To be honest, neither do I.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You have to understand that for some, the price is not worth it because they don't feel the price justifies what the X offers. To be honest, neither do I.

It’s probably different where I live as the X is an extortionate price here but it’s quite a rare iPhone. This suggests to me that as the price is super high, the features haven’t really appealed enough to the mainstream iPhone consumer. It’s was never going to have widespread iPhone 6 appeal but I am quite surprised how infrequent you see them here. I’ve still only seen 1 since the launch and I do wonder if this price point will ever become the norm? I don’t think it will personally as there are enough options on Android and even iOS keeping people away from the X.

 

[44267547]

I think that should already be a rule of thumb. As per a tech cap, don't know about that.

Tech Cap meaning what the consumer will actually pay versus what the manufacture charges. Those are two different things. Smart phones primarily are not overhauled on an annual basis, therefore one has to justify what would compel them to upgrade versus keeping their device longer. Which is exactly why Apple has expanded their iPhone lineup, Which has a cheaper price point being the iPhone X is not for everyone.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Tech Cap meaning what the consumer will actually pay versus what the manufacture charges. Those are two different things. Smart phones primarily are not overhauled on an annual basis, therefore one has to justify what would compel them to upgrade versus keeping their device longer. Which is exactly why Apple has expanded their iPhone lineup, Which has a cheaper price point being the iPhone X is not for everyone.

There’s a lot of people who were calling for the changes the X brought and excited by the rumours last year but were disgusted by its price when it was launched though. I’m sure I’m not the only one who was left feeling bitterly disappointed and being told to look on the bright side and buy an older device or go for the incremental upgrade that is the iPhone 8 is a good way to kill enthusiasm. I think they could have put a bit more effort in for mid tier device and at least make their biggest consumer segment feel like they were getting something new.

 

[44267547]

There’s a lot of people who were calling for the changes the X brought and excited by the rumours last year but were disgusted by its price when it was launched though. I’m sure I’m not the only one who was left feeling bitterly disappointed and being told to look on the bright side and buy an older device or go for the incremental upgrade that is the iPhone 8 is a good way to kill enthusiasm. I think they could have put a bit more effort in for mid tier device and at least make their biggest consumer segment feel like they were getting something new.

I think Apple placed a lot of emphasis obviously on the iPhone X and its marketing scheme. However, I think it’s just the start of what’s to come with the iPhone X and it’s pricing, and now with the rumored 6.5 X, the price will see an influx.

However, I agree there has to be a middle ground with the lower model iPhones. But we will have to see what the LCD 6.1 iPhone has to offer and if an iPhone SE 2 exists.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I think Apple placed a lot of emphasis obviously on the iPhone X and its marketing scheme. However, I think it’s just the start of what’s to come with the iPhone X and it’s pricing, and now with the rumored 6.5 X, the price will see an influx.

However, I agree there has to be a middle ground with the lower model iPhones. But we will have to see what the LCD 6.1 iPhone has to offer and if an iPhone SE 2 exists.

They did place a lot of emphasis on X marketing but it fell flat in certain markets whereas iPhones up until now have generally been universally sort after. The mid tier market I’d say is their biggest market whereas the X and SE are the niche segments either side of it. I just don’t get why Apple are shunning it right now?

It will be interesting to see the SE 2 and what that offers people who want a really small iPhone but I think a lot of eyes are on the 6.1” LCD too. The rumours are concerning though on the latter as once again it’s looking like a feature stripped device with premium pricing with the potential to be marketed as a ‘budget device’. I hope I’m wrong.

 

[Freepple]

Many people tell the 8+ is better for watching videos. However if the video format is supported (netflix) won’t you have better video experience in a smaller form factor? Photo is uploaded from another thread on this forum.

 

[73CortinaV8]

Since i got the iphone X a couple of weeks ago, i mentioned almost everywhere a huge amount of hate regarding the iphone X. From the notch to the price everything about it seems to be bad. But this is not my experience at all. The iPhone X is super fast. The design is very nice. The steel body is also awesome. And the display was chosen by displaymate as best Display on a mobile device to date. Face ID is very reliable and also quite fast. Maybe not as fast as touch id2 but its faster than touch id1.
The size is very handy to. You can use it one handed very good. All in all it’s a great mobile. And i don’t understand why they hate it so much.

the display, the speed and the app switching gestures are great.

The size is all wrong. Apps and webpages get formatted all wrong.

FaceID sucks rotten eggs. Especially with apple pay. Anytime conditions are not exactly perfect - the sun is behind your back, you're in a meeting and the phone is in your lap, etc. etc. etc. it just does not work. 80% of the time faceid does not work.

Whoever thought up double clicking the very stiff sleep button for apple pay should be thrown into an industrial grinder.

And now they're discontinuing it this summer because sales were so bad. Don't expect to get any money for it when you go to sell it.

 

[raqball]

And now they're discontinuing it this summer because sales were so bad. Don't expect to get any money for it when you go to sell it.

I think you've misunderstood the whole discontinuing thing.. Apple discontinuing it simply means they won't be selling it as a year old phone for a lessor price.. This actually makes complete sense to me..

 

[73CortinaV8]

I think you've misunderstood the whole discontinuing thing.. Apple discontinuing it simply means they won't be selling it as a year old phone for a lessor price.. This actually makes complete sense to me..

...because it won't sell at a price worth their while. They keep selling the 7 because people are buying them.

 

[raqball]

...because it won't sell at a price worth their while. They keep selling the 7 because people are buying them.

Has nothing to do with it... Apple does not want to sell the X along side and cheaper than the 2018 versions which will just be an S upgrade more than likely. This make complete sense to me. Maybe when the 11 is out in 2019 then Apple will sell the Xs along side and cheaper...

Your comment about Apple discontinuing the X because of poor sales is just flat out wrong. Because you read click bait on a blog does not make it true..

My .02

 

[Clogger]

Has nothing to do with it... Apple does not want to sell the X along side and cheaper than the 2018 versions which will just be an S upgrade more than likely. This make complete sense to me. Maybe when the 11 is out in 2019 then Apple will sell the Xs along side and cheaper...

Your comment about Apple discontinuing the X because of poor sales is just flat out wrong. Because you read click bait on a blog does not make it true..

My .02

The X has been very successful in the USA, it's markets outside of this area where it appears to have done poorly. If Apple addressed it's pricing policies for the international market that may change.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Has nothing to do with it... Apple does not want to sell the X along side and cheaper than the 2018 versions which will just be an S upgrade more than likely. This make complete sense to me. Maybe when the 11 is out in 2019 then Apple will sell the Xs along side and cheaper...

Your comment about Apple discontinuing the X because of poor sales is just flat out wrong. Because you read click bait on a blog does not make it true..

My .02

Yeah it does seem to suggest the successor of the X may not be a huge jump and as you say an ‘S’ version so selling the older version cheaper will just take sales away from it. You’ll still be able to get the remaining stock of the X just like you could get the iPhone 5 for a few months after it was discontinued though.

Personally I wouldn’t rule out getting a refurbished X as my next upgrade if there is enough of a saving. The iPhone 8 may be a good option too with its X like hardware. My 6S has been awesome and had been out a year when I upgraded to it. The hardware jumps these days are minimal enough where a year old device doesn’t show its age like it would have done 5 years ago.