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Happy for you that you are happy with your steam driven 2009 Core 2 Duo model, long may it reign in the house of Do.
But it doesn't suit everybody's purposes, and you don't seem too keen on acknowledging that.
It is about much more than simple processing power. Other advances like TB, USB3, faster WiFi, etc, all factor in.
USB3 alone is a big practical plus for me.
As suspected you can't debate the issue because you have nothing beyond the perceived kudos of saying to people you are a Mac household. That might have worked for Apple at one time and it worked on me. However, whilst Apple has been concentrating on making 'thin products' the opposition has been innovating.
At Apple innovation died when Jobs did.
Thanks for the empty rhetoric at least. Chin-chin.
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Another brand could not give me access to all my iTunes media purchases.
Really? And yet I can play most of my iTunes music purchases on Play Music. Regarding films, that's a different story which is why I have been re-sourcing films I purchased on iTunes via other providers. Who wants for feel as though they have no choice but to stick with brand a, b or c?
I fell for this myself once, but not any more. I don't care who it is, I am not willing to put all my future eggs in the one basket.
Wrong again, far from a Mac household the smallest part is Mac, the majority is Windows and Android. 9/10 times I would recommend a Windows based machine to anyone that asks for my opinion.
There are some great Windows forums out there for you, you would get a better response over at them, they will love you telling them what you get from a PC compared to Mac for a lot less money.
So you don't like Apple. That's fine and there are certainly other choices. But why waste your time on an forum for Apple products?
He comes across more like he is just trying to justify his own move to Windows and is struggling with it.
Lankyman uncovered - Disdain for Apple only works on Apple folks - so if he unloads on the Windows forum he'll seem deranged or a flakey convert (no one will listen). So, in all probability it's a love affair gone bad! He like most of us wants to scold Apple and those who still subscribe.
Very understandable - really. Leaving holes in an existing product-line with vague references to willingness to continue is at best misleading and unprofessional when your clients include professionals or those building on an architecture or ecosystem.
Sentiments should be very strong when you consider the solutions Apple provided in the past enabled the average person to achieve above average results consistently and incrementally whether professional or not - simply put - empowering individuals to be just that!!
Very understandable - really. Leaving holes in an existing product-line with vague references to willingness to continue is at best misleading and unprofessional when your clients include professionals or those building on an architecture or ecosystem.
Sentiments should be very strong when you consider the solutions Apple provided in the past enabled the average person to achieve above average results consistently and incrementally whether professional or not - simply put - empowering individuals to be just that!!
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Because I still have some of their products. As they age they will not be replaced, for the moment though they are still working.
In their day they certainly had a good business model and they do still have strong appeal in the 8 to 35 year old demographic. However, as many people mature they realise that they do nothing different to the opposition other than charge a whacking great premium for owning them.
There's an old English saying - 'penny wise and pound foolish'.
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He comes across more like he is just trying to justify his own move to Windows and is struggling with it.
Why should I justify something I never left? I have run a version of Windows as well as OS X (using Parallels) since the first day of Mac ownership over a decade ago.
I have never struggled with justifying Windows. It hasn't always been perfect by any means. However, Windows 10 is a first rate operating system and couple that with a high spec self-build then it's a no brainer. I've saved a shed load of cash and if some of you think that is a bad thing then it's not me that needs some self-examination.
The bottom-line... if the tool you use gets the job done then that's great. The thing is you use words like "mature" which infers that maturity is a valid criteria to judge the value of the work someone else is doing - which is not a "mature" and inclusive conclusion. I think that's the problem with forums - as we speak from our experiences we tend to leverage our rationale onto others which again is counter-productive since it's their money and their life ... ya know like Range Rover vs Land Rover both get you from point A to point B but at a great disparity in cost of ownership.
The content of the post ... which is the benefit achieved in your experience shared amongst us is of value - your opinions about maturity and it's role in the choices people make however depreciates the value of your opinion.
The content of the post ... which is the benefit achieved in your experience shared amongst us is of value - your opinions about maturity and it's role in the choices people make however depreciates the value of your opinion.
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I could simply have said 'as people get older/age'. The word 'mature' was simply a more polite way of saying the same thing.
I never understand these "why do you even use Apple products" type arguments. Surely anybody who has ever used any piece of technology ever would know that the answer is either:
A: Because I like the hardware
B: Because I like the software
C: Both
Do we really need all the patronising rubbish about young people, branding and status symbols?
A: Because I like the hardware
B: Because I like the software
C: Both
Do we really need all the patronising rubbish about young people, branding and status symbols?
"Do we really need all the patronising rubbish about young people, branding and status symbols?"
F_ck No ... but when there's no technology to discuss and we remain the foundation of "more power, less cost, more choices" it's our responsibility to "hold the front" until Apple gets their heads out of their asses. Until such time ... if anyone thinks "The Mini isn't most certainly coming" or thinks we're lost souls for holding out - well then ... it's On!!
... and yeah, I'm holding out as well as stepping out if necessary - it just a matter of when.
F_ck No ... but when there's no technology to discuss and we remain the foundation of "more power, less cost, more choices" it's our responsibility to "hold the front" until Apple gets their heads out of their asses. Until such time ... if anyone thinks "The Mini isn't most certainly coming" or thinks we're lost souls for holding out - well then ... it's On!!
... and yeah, I'm holding out as well as stepping out if necessary - it just a matter of when.
"more power, less cost, more choices" doesn't sound like Apple. They might tell you something is more powerful than the last model but that is not very important to them. Cost and choices are rarely involved. It is more that what they sell does something special. The mini hasn't done anything special in a while. I guess that's its problem in the Apple universe.
"I guess that's its problem in the Apple universe."
so true ... their mantra and business model has changed ... but "we" have not which is why we seek value, flexibility (choices) and less cost than Apple is trying to secrete from us. You'd think more power would come at less cost over time but you see this is where Apple clearly shows their hand (priorities). It's hard to accept - the company that started "for the people " (masses) offering choice, power and value has changed direction ... and "we're" obliged to alter course as well.
so true ... their mantra and business model has changed ... but "we" have not which is why we seek value, flexibility (choices) and less cost than Apple is trying to secrete from us. You'd think more power would come at less cost over time but you see this is where Apple clearly shows their hand (priorities). It's hard to accept - the company that started "for the people " (masses) offering choice, power and value has changed direction ... and "we're" obliged to alter course as well.
I'll tell you what ... after spending (what?) 5-billion on that self-grandizing campus they better change the world for the better! I'm sure that money would have made a positive impact on the world - so since they chose to spend it on themselves I expect "great-great" things in line with advancing the power of individuals in the world.
They can start by taking a break from profits and in turn deliver "real power, real opportunities for expandibility and for f_cks-sake before you offer AR give us real graphics speed for today and potential for tomorrow within the same box. Apple also needs to take what's theirs and unify the home under one architecture in line with IoT.
And put some teeth into it with a published architecture plan for the next 10-years ... ok 5-years!
Then - they can wrap things up with a projection over the next 10-years where the architecture might go in the event of a disruptive advancement and tease us with the usual - one more thing - the hooks to get there!
For Apple to be visionary they must reveal their path and since their pockets are deep they should have several uniformly implemented disruptive strategies for the future (unlike removing the headphone jack - more like removing the DVD drive) in play in case competition moves in - those can remain secret!
Don't forget the migration from Power PC - that was epic and never missed a beat.
... and grow some balls and make things feel like they can stay on the table when the wind blows!
They can start by taking a break from profits and in turn deliver "real power, real opportunities for expandibility and for f_cks-sake before you offer AR give us real graphics speed for today and potential for tomorrow within the same box. Apple also needs to take what's theirs and unify the home under one architecture in line with IoT.
And put some teeth into it with a published architecture plan for the next 10-years ... ok 5-years!
Then - they can wrap things up with a projection over the next 10-years where the architecture might go in the event of a disruptive advancement and tease us with the usual - one more thing - the hooks to get there!
For Apple to be visionary they must reveal their path and since their pockets are deep they should have several uniformly implemented disruptive strategies for the future (unlike removing the headphone jack - more like removing the DVD drive) in play in case competition moves in - those can remain secret!
Don't forget the migration from Power PC - that was epic and never missed a beat.
... and grow some balls and make things feel like they can stay on the table when the wind blows!
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Well, if you watch any of apple's events, the most important thing about new product is how much more power it has over last gen AND how much more bang you get for a buck.
"Well, if you watch any of apple's events, the most important thing about new product is how much more power it has over last gen AND how much more bang you get for a buck."
Which is inexplicably linked to some limitation or loss of feature sets which allow backwards compatibility or the continuance of compatibility - lately, there's always some major cutoff or marketing gimp in an effort to steer more profits. I get it - stockholders expect exponential improvement long after the release of new technology which means taking more and more aggressive steps towards migration in order to grow profits. At some point SJ's playbook needs to be re-instituted!
The next donations Apple make should go to their User-base in terms of investment protection! Much like a car - a computer investment costing upwards of $3000 - $5000 should make sense beyond 5 years without loss of functionality or serviceability. I can deal with the idea my 3 y/o device is just not as fast as the new one but I truly hate being cutoff from upgrades due to profit that's unrelated to architecture and it's out and out theft to remove functionality (via software restrictions) that I paid for!
I don't know about you but most of the retired Apple devices I own are still working with nothing to do and they outnumber the active Apple devices.
Apple being iconic should really push for sustainability which in its best light means upgrades are king - reducing the carnage - or make only one box with full capability and then enable it in a tiered fashion with licensing fees.
Which is inexplicably linked to some limitation or loss of feature sets which allow backwards compatibility or the continuance of compatibility - lately, there's always some major cutoff or marketing gimp in an effort to steer more profits. I get it - stockholders expect exponential improvement long after the release of new technology which means taking more and more aggressive steps towards migration in order to grow profits. At some point SJ's playbook needs to be re-instituted!
The next donations Apple make should go to their User-base in terms of investment protection! Much like a car - a computer investment costing upwards of $3000 - $5000 should make sense beyond 5 years without loss of functionality or serviceability. I can deal with the idea my 3 y/o device is just not as fast as the new one but I truly hate being cutoff from upgrades due to profit that's unrelated to architecture and it's out and out theft to remove functionality (via software restrictions) that I paid for!
I don't know about you but most of the retired Apple devices I own are still working with nothing to do and they outnumber the active Apple devices.
Apple being iconic should really push for sustainability which in its best light means upgrades are king - reducing the carnage - or make only one box with full capability and then enable it in a tiered fashion with licensing fees.
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It always makes me think of when a new iPhone comes out and they go on about how it's so many times more powerful than older iPhones...
Yet basic apps like iMessage are already slow, laggy, and unresponsive on my iPhone 6 while incredibly snappy on an iPhone 4S with iOS 6.
No need to acknowledge those who feel that current Mac Mini offerings are not suited / inadequate for the needs of of the self professed "power users", who make their desires for state of the art and higher specs abundantly apparent here.
However in my observation, most folks around me who use computers are getting by just fine on relatively modestly specced machines, often several years old. It seems to me that those baying for something more (capable of being) specialised to their own needs are not acknowledging that for many, current and older Mac Minis suffice.
Perhaps the Mac Mini is simply not for those with such specialised needs / desires…..
Yes, faster connectivity and other benefits may be a plus, but while older Mac Minis continue to perform the tasks asked of them it may not be cost effective to replace them with newer models. I, for one am not going to drop three or more weeks' pay on something with a few nice to have, but not essential benefits, when what I have continues to perform OK. Come the time that the HDD fails or other major repairs are required, then the repair or replace question will be addressed, as it was in 2009 when the HDD and power supply my 2005 original failed.
True, though I think Apple has a gaping hole in their product lineup between the relatively "entry level" deskto users and the power user. You could say the iMac fits in there, in terms of powe4r, between a Mini and a Pro, and you'd be right -- but many of us don't want to have to buy another display.
For now my 2012 quad i7 is just fine, now that I boot it with an external SSD out of USB 3.0 (getting about 430 MB/sec, about 4x faster than internal spinners). But if I needed/wanted to upgrade, there was nothing for me. Which is why for the first time since about 1994 I built a WIndows system for some of my needs, including gaming. Would love to do everything on my Mac, but right now Apple doesn't offer what I want, or anything close to it, even if I was willing to pay the "Apple tax" for it.
How little comfort that provides a person looking to replace a 2010 Mini with something modestly current. No matter what your use case is, there's simply no good reason to spend Apple type money on 4 year old technology. Period.
4 gigs of RAM and a skinny drive?!?! Open up a couple tabs in a Browser and you feel like you are at the beach, because of all th swapping beach balls.
Friends don't let friends(and family) have a truly crappy computing experience like that.
You regularly acknowledge your computer needs are less than those of our dog, so I'm not sure what relevance your posts have on this subject.
You regularly acknowledge that your Mac computer needs are non existent, so I'm not sure what relevance your posts are on this subject.
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The base model Mac Mini with 4 GB of RAM and a HDD, sneered at by many here, suits the needs and budget of some. Right now I have 6 tabs open in Safari and 4 in Opera on my base base model 2009 Mini with 5 GB RAM…. no beach balls.
Need higher specs….? Don't buy the base model.