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sc4rf4c3

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Samsung would have been mad not to release a rose gold version after the buzz the iPhone 6S has got. It's just business.

Agreed. Same thing with Apple, they would have been crazy not to release the 6 Plus. I would say the titanium gold S6 edge and the titanium silver Note 5 are the best colors for any phone.
 

Andres Cantu

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You're not trying to claim Apple invented multi touch are you?
I am, but for argument's sake, can you provide any evidence that suggests otherwise? I'll eat my words if you find proof that somebody else invented that feature in a smartphone without denying that Apple popularized it.
 

Andres Cantu

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Great post kdarling.

Andres cantu, how "sad" are you about apple copying?

The industry in general is progressing this way, where manufacturers will have no choice but to copy each other to stay relevant and competitive. And naturally so.

Don't know why it's "sad" one way or the other. It is in fact the opposite of sad. It means more competition and more options for the consumer.

Also, it's common for Samsung to release new colors of their devices mid cycle. They've done it before, including a pink note 4.

I guess to sum it up, the point is: everyone copies. Sometimes even blatantly so. So what? They all have to. It's a wise business model to meet demand.
Sad, not as sad because they copy many little features and a few big ones whereas Samsung copies all the big ones from Apple (see one of my posts above).

By the way, loving the discussion so far :D
 

spinedoc77

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WE can't say who was working on their 3D Touch first since we don't work at Apple or Samsung, so I'll leave it at that. Congratulations, you got yourself a tie on that one.

But what about S-Voice and the swipe fingerprint scanner? Samsung is more of a trend follower than Apple is. Samsung has copied LESS than Apple but copied more of the BIGGER features. You know this is true, it happens after every "S" iPhone. Plus, everyone else took multitouch and NOBODY can deny that was a game-changing feature. That is why I side with Apple, though I can still admit they copy many times, too.

Besides the painful point of "who cares", they both copy from each other and other manufacturers. Plus I didn't think Apple invented multitouch, hasn't that been around for like 20 years?

You're not trying to claim Apple invented multi touch are you?

So you honestly think the iPod was the worlds first mp3 player.. That's shocking..

Ouch, well there goes that credibility. Not for i7guy who was actually denoting that Apple was not the first to invent the mp3 player. But I wouldn't be surprised if there were many who thought that.
 
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Andres Cantu

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Besides the painful point of "who cares", they both copy from each other and other manufacturers. Plus I didn't think Apple invented multitouch, hasn't that been around for like 20 years?
Even if it was, Apple figured out how to implement it in a smartphone. THAT'S the point in trying to make. The smartphone market wouldn't be where it is if Apple hadn't released the iPhone in 2007. Nobody can deny that.
 

spinedoc77

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Even if it was, Apple figured out how to implement it in a smartphone. THAT'S the point in trying to make. The smartphone market wouldn't be where it is if Apple hadn't released the iPhone in 2007. Nobody can deny that.

Possibly true, but completely not the point of the debate and backtracking. Did Apple invent multitouch? Not did Apple refine it, but did they invent it? Leading back to the prior discussion, did Samsung copy Apple in implementing multitouch.

As to your point, we can go back and say that about a lot of players. Without Nokia or Motorola the phone market, and arguably smartphone market would not be where it is today. Heck without Microsoft, how about Palm? Sure Apple deserves credit, but not as much as we like to think. I believe Nokia sold more phones than Apple ever did, quite a bit more and that's well before Apple's iPhone even existed. I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola and even Samsung sold more phones as well.
 
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Andres Cantu

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Possibly true, but completely not the point of the debate and backtracking. Did Apple invent multitouch? Not did Apple refine it, but did they invent it? Leading back to the prior discussion, did Samsung copy Apple in implementing multitouch.
Everyone copied Apple in implementing multitouch into their smartphones. That was the first move in an endless cycle of copying.

Nobody really cares who invents technology but rather who successfully implement it and popularize it. Samsung did that once with bigger screens but has yet to do it again.
 
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spinedoc77

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Everyone copied Apple in implementing multitouch into their smartphones. That was the first move in an endless cycle of copying.

Nobody really cares who invents technology but rather who successfully implement it and popularize it.

Once again we are not establishing who refined it, but who copied it. Soooo Apple copied square phone designs. Apple copied rows and columns of app shortcuts. Apple copied touchscreens. Apple copied apps. Apple copied cut and paste. Apple copied widgets. Etc etc we could go on forever. The backtracking is weak. The point I'm making is who cares?
 

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Even if it was, Apple figured out how to implement it in a smartphone. THAT'S the point in trying to make. The smartphone market wouldn't be where it is if Apple hadn't released the iPhone in 2007. Nobody can deny that.
Of course they can.. All the technologies involved in the first iPhone existed, nothing to say that natural evolution wouldn't have taken.. In 2007, the Nokia n95 had gps, sat Nav, mp3 player, web, an app store.. The works.. Just missing a touch screen.. So yes there is a chance the market would have developed as it has today..
 

billy the fish

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Once again we are not establishing who refined it, but who copied it. Soooo Apple copied square phone designs. Apple copied rows and columns of app shortcuts. Apple copied touchscreens. Apple copied apps. Apple copied cut and paste. Apple copied widgets. Etc etc we could go on forever. The backtracking is weak. The point I'm making is who cares?
The person who started the thread does..
 

GadgetSN

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You're calling me intellectually challenged, but you're the one being butt hurt and petty over a pink phone. Child, bye.

You're calling me intellectually challenged, but you're the one being butt hurt and petty over a pink phone. Child, bye.
No one is butt hurt whatever that is. The OP is probably embarassed at Samsung rather than angry (which some here are unable to comprehend)

What is especially remarkable are the folks defending this specific move by samsung as anything but what it is.

I actually feel pity for such people because it is deeper than intellect.

Cant converse with such people so goodbye.
 

Andres Cantu

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Once again we are not establishing who refined it, but who copied it. Soooo Apple copied square phone designs. Apple copied rows and columns of app shortcuts. Apple copied touchscreens. Apple copied apps. Apple copied cut and paste. Apple copied widgets. Etc etc we could go on forever. The backtracking is weak. The point I'm making is who cares?
Apparently you care (as do I) since you've replied this many times in a small amount of time (the backing is weak in YOUR opinion, I can just as easily say it's strong).

And Apple does deserve the credit they get. What other company has gotten this close to a trillion dollar market cap.? I know it's not on topic, but it helps prove my point.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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No one is butt hurt whatever that is.

What is especially remarkable are the folks defending this specific move by samsung as anything but what it is.

I actually feel pity for such people because it is deeper than intellect.

Cant converse with such people so goodbye

Samsung influenced Apple toward larger screen sizes, split screen multitasking, Pencil, and misc software updates ....... BUT OOOH NOOOO, HOW DARE SAMSUNG RELEASE A PINK COLOR TO COMPETE :eek::eek::eek::eek:
 

Andres Cantu

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Keep it up, guys! We need to let out all our frustration about Samsung and Apple in this thread :D

That's what it ultimately comes down to, even for me, though I'm one of the few who will actually admit it ;)
 

spinedoc77

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No one is butt hurt whatever that is. The OP is probably embarassed at Samsung rather than angry (which some here are unable to comprehend)

What is especially remarkable are the folks defending this specific move by samsung as anything but what it is.

I actually feel pity for such people because it is deeper than intellect.

Cant converse with such people so goodbye.

Apparently you care (as do I) since you've replied this many times in a small amount of time (the backing is weak in YOUR opinion, I can just as easily say it's strong).

And Apple does deserve the credit they get. What other company has gotten this close to a trillion dollar market cap.? I know it's not on topic, but it helps prove my point.

I don't see anyone in this thread defending Samsung's decision, I just see forum members confused on the topic. Does it REALLY bother you that much that Samsung released a different shade pink phone from iPhone? Does it REALLY? I suggest you take your anger and righteousness and approach Apple, write to Samsung, the state attorney general, hell you should write the president to get this horrific practice of "copying" changed. YOU can be the voice of reason and the impetus for change in this corrupt and ugly landscape of "copying". I applaud and respect the time you've put into this world changing practice and the altruism demonstrated in vindicating Apple. /golf clap
 

Andres Cantu

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I don't see anyone in this thread defending Samsung's decision, I just see forum members confused on the topic. Does it REALLY bother you that much that Samsung released a different shade pink phone from iPhone? Does it REALLY? I suggest you take your anger and righteousness and approach Apple, write to Samsung, the state attorney general, hell you should write the president to get this horrific practice of "copying" changed. YOU can be the voice of reason and the impetus for change in this corrupt and ugly landscape of "copying". I applaud and respect the time you've put into this world changing practice and the altruism demonstrated in vindicating Apple. /golf clap
Your sarcasm is refreshing! I may do just that ;)
 

kdarling

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I am, but for argument's sake, can you provide any evidence that suggests otherwise? I'll eat my words if you find proof that somebody else invented that feature in a smartphone without denying that Apple popularized it.

Apple definitely popularized multi-touch (even more than Jeff Han had done the year before in his TED demo), and was the first to put it in mass production on a phone.

However, Apple was not the first to publicly reveal a multi-touch phone design. That was done in the year before the iPhone was revealed, and likely influenced Jobs' desire to be first to production.

In mid 2006, Synaptics, who made the touchpads used in nearly every laptop... including Apple's... was showing off one of the hottest concept phones, the Onyx, with a UI that included neat features like dragging one person's picture on top of another to set up a conference call, or dragging a GPS flag onto a contact in order to send them a map.

The multi-point capacitive surface was sensitive enough to detect fingertips or finger edges, and discern a cheek from a finger. You could even kiss the phone and it could send the lip image it sensed:

2006_aug_synaptics_kiss.png


The working Onyx prototype, with its gloss black screen in a metal frame, was just one reason why everyone in the business was expecting all-touch capacitive phones to take off in 2007. Even MacRumors suggested in Aug 2006 that it might be the tech that would be used in the rumored touch based iPod and iPhone that many Apple fans were expecting back then.

Then in November 2006, the Open Linux group announced plans to make a multi-touch smartphone for developers. There were articles about it on Engadget, Infoworld, LinuxDevices, etc. Gizmodo first had an article about it Nov 7, 2006... two months before the iPhone was shown off by Jobs.

The designers originally had hoped to provide a 285ppi display and multi-touch screen: "The phone itself has a 2.8-inch VGA display, USB mesh file sharing, multi-touch sensor recognition, GSM, GPS, 128MB RAM, a Samsung ARM9-based processor and MP3 playback capabilities. - Gizmodo "

They even touted the abiity to pinch-zoom on a map. Of course, few people outside of the industry paid much attention to this, or other multi-touch phone development, until Apple showed theirs. Then some reporters remembered, such as in this Jan 2007 Gizmodo follow up article:

open_moko_gizmodo_jan.png


Unfortunately, production got delayed for a long time, but the point is that multi-touch, pinch zoom, icon grids, an icon dock, etc were all known design ideas/plans. The Open Moko designers even foretold that "apps would become the new ringtones", referring to that almost billion dollar a year business at the time.
 
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grkm3

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I think it's pretty sad that Samsung HAS to offer the same new colors as Apple...oh wait, it's "pink gold" not "rose gold" so it's completely different :rolleyes: Too bad cause I thought some of their other color options were really nice (like the blue one).

They'll steal 3D Touch and add it to the Galaxy S7, so I'm not surprised at this color option. It must suck to not be the trend-setter anymore like with the bigger screens and going back to being the trend-follower :D

They will steal 3d touch? Bud force touch is a technology available to anyone that wants to license it from the owners and there was 1 Android phone that beat apple to it so please.
 

Andres Cantu

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Apple definitely popularized multi-touch (even more than Jeff Han had done the year before in his TED demo), and was the first to put it in mass production on a phone.

However, Apple was not the first to publicly reveal a multi-touch phone design. That was done the year before the iPhone was revealed, and likely influenced Jobs' desire to be first to production.

In mid 2006, Synaptics, who made the touchpads used in nearly every laptop... including Apple's... was showing off one of the hottest concept phones, the Onyx, with a UI that included neat features like dragging one person's picture on top of another to set up a conference call, or dragging a GPS flag onto a contact in order to send them a map.

The multi-point capacitive surface was sensitive enough to detect fingertips or finger edges, and discern a cheek from a finger. You could even kiss the phone and it could send the lip image it sensed:

View attachment 593142

The working Onyx prototype, with its gloss black screen in a metal frame, was just one reason why everyone in the business was expecting all-touch capacitive phones to take off in 2007. Even MacRumors suggested in Aug 2006 that it might be the tech that would be used in the rumored touch based iPod and iPhone that many Apple fans were expecting back then.

Then in November 2006, the Open Linux group announced plans to make a multi-touch smartphone for developers. There were articles about it on Engadget, Infoworld, LinuxDevices, etc. Gizmodo first had an article about it Nov 7, 2006... two months before the iPhone was shown off by Jobs.

The designers originally had hoped to provide a 285ppi display and multi-touch screen: "The phone itself has a 2.8-inch VGA display, USB mesh file sharing, multi-touch sensor recognition, GSM, GPS, 128MB RAM, a Samsung ARM9-based processor and MP3 playback capabilities. - Gizmodo "

They even touted the abiity to pinch-zoom on a map. Of course, few people outside of the industry paid much attention to this, or other multi-touch phone development, until Apple showed theirs. Then reporters remembered, such as in this Jan 2007 Gizmodo follow up article:

View attachment 593145

Unfortunately, production got delayed for a long time, but the point is that multi-touch, pinch zoom, icon grids, an icon dock, etc were all known design ideas/plans. The Open Moko designers even foretold that "apps would become the new ringtones", referring to that almost billion dollar a year business at the time.
Thank you very much for the information, I shall eat half my words (due to the first vs. popularized argument). That's better than you'll get from any other person here...

They will steal 3d touch? Bud force touch is a technology available to anyone that wants to license it from the owners and there was 1 Android phone that beat apple to it so please.
That Huawei phone did it only to say they were the first, but the article states that the implementation was not very good. Can't say I'm surprised.
 

epicrayban

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No one wants to answer this question?

Let me ask this question to everyone in this thread:

If apple is the industry leader and the great industry innovator as they are made out to be, why are people surprised or sour about others following suit?

That's what it means to be a leader, no?

Imagine a world where nobody copied. You must be aware in such a world you iPhone wouldn't be what it is today.

If apple is the leader you all proudly make them to be, then apple and its fanbase has to accept the responsibilities of being a leader. Others will follow. They are wise to if they want to stay competitive, just as apple wisely follows trends, designs, features, etc. when others make it popular or lead in their own respect.

This is how competition and businesses work anw it is seen nearly in every field; not just in smartphones.
 
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