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Radon87000

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But we are talking about stutters and some framedrops in some places which are petty much there for most and most agree with that. The things I and various others take issue with are those related to some people having bigger issues and saying everyone has those too and to the same degree, or talking about those same stutters here and there and saying they completely make their device unusable and this is the most horrible iOS update ever.
So lets take an example.I am getting constant stutters in the app switcher on Air 2.Now that is a majoṛ issue.Are you saying not everyone has it?Some are saying they don't.Now in order to confirm who is correct we need visual evidence from those saying it is smooth
 

I7guy

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Gotta be in it to win it
So lets take an example.I am getting constant stutters in the app switcher on Air 2.Now that is a majoṛ issue.Are you saying not everyone has it?Some are saying they don't.Now in order to confirm who is correct we need visual evidence from those saying it is smooth
It's normally innocent until proven guilty not the other way around.
 

philipyoungg

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Sep 17, 2015
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But we are talking about stutters and some framedrops in some places which are petty much there for most and most agree with that. The things I and various others take issue with are those related to some people having bigger issues and saying everyone has those too and to the same degree, or talking about those same stutters here and there and saying they completely make their device unusable and this is the most horrible iOS update ever.

So what topic are you actually arguing?

Oh.

You are arguing about "the" attitude now.
 

belfong

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Sep 27, 2015
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I just turn on contrast in accessibility and my 6 Plus on 9.1 runs much better than before. Definitely a problem in iOS and needed to be addressed in future.
 

sampai

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Oct 22, 2015
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It's really easy. Someone on 9.x post a 10 second 60fps video where..
1. notification center
2. control center and
3. app switcher
...run at a smooth 60fps and this annoying discussion is going to stop, I am absolutely sure.

All you need is 2 iDevices (e.g. iPad making a video of iPhone) and a youtube account. It takes 10 minutes to make a video, upload and post the link here. Anyone?
 

_Refurbished_

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It's really easy. Someone on 9.x post a 10 second 60fps video where..
1. notification center
2. control center and
3. app switcher
...run at a smooth 60fps and this annoying discussion is going to stop, I am absolutely sure.

All you need is 2 iDevices (e.g. iPad making a video of iPhone) and a youtube account. It takes 10 minutes to make a video, upload and post the link here. Anyone?

You want evidence? Good luck. I created another thread just for this:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-annually-slowing-down-our-devices.1926081/

Same people, different thread. I realized there's no point in having a discussion with people that cannot defend their position with substance. The best thing to do is smile, and move along.
 
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Radon87000

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It's really easy. Someone on 9.x post a 10 second 60fps video where..
1. notification center
2. control center and
3. app switcher
...run at a smooth 60fps and this annoying discussion is going to stop, I am absolutely sure.

All you need is 2 iDevices (e.g. iPad making a video of iPhone) and a youtube account. It takes 10 minutes to make a video, upload and post the link here. Anyone?
Exactly.I already showed them the lag in 4 recorded videos I made yet they keep saying no lag without any proof whatsoever.
 

newellj

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Oct 15, 2014
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So lets take an example.I am getting constant stutters in the app switcher on Air 2.Now that is a majoṛ issue.Are you saying not everyone has it?Some are saying they don't.Now in order to confirm who is correct we need visual evidence from those saying it is smooth

Serious question: is it really a "major issue"? App crashes, springboard restarts, dropping connections - those feel like major issues. Stutters in the app switcher? Convince me (I'm open).
 

Radon87000

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Serious question: is it really a "major issue"? App crashes, springboard restarts, dropping connections - those feel like major issues. Stutters in the app switcher? Convince me (I'm open).
When I spent nearly 700 dollars on this equipment yes it does matter.Especially as this device is not even a year old and it was a Freakin monster on 8 with ZERO lag in the 7 months I had it

If I could tolerate lag I would have just gotten a Nexus 9
 

newellj

macrumors G3
Oct 15, 2014
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When I spent nearly 700 dollars on this equipment yes it does matter.Especially as this device is not even a year old and it was a Freakin monster on 8 with ZERO lag in the 7 months I had it

If I could tolerate lag I would have just gotten a Nexus 9

Iguessthat'samatterwherepeoplecandisagree.Whoops,forgotthespacekey. ;)
 

oldmacs

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Serious question: is it really a "major issue"? App crashes, springboard restarts, dropping connections - those feel like major issues. Stutters in the app switcher? Convince me (I'm open).

If people wanted stuttering they wouldn't be paying for very very expensive devices. Why pay so much for an iPad when you could probably get something much cheaper and replace it more often.

I think the other issue is that Apple specifically promised smoother animation - with metal on A7 and A8 devices. The upgrade notes when you do an OTA upgrade specifically talk about performance improvements. False advertising I say. Show me an iPad Mini 2 that can render the animation for pulling down the notification centre properly.

Honestly excusing Apple for releasing a version of iOS that can't render simple animations right is a bit worrying.
 
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philipyoungg

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Iguessthat'samatterwherepeoplecandisagree.Whoops,forgotthespacekey. ;)

The problem this is major issue is because:

- Apple promised performance improvement on metal devices (from 5s and iPad Air); clearly, the promise didn't deliver.
- IPhone 6(+) and Air 2 is only one year old and very capable. Even 6s is not free from lags (I don't have those devices, just stating the complain from threads here).
- It's only natural that OS get slower from each iteration. But iPhone 5 is smoother than 6+? That's something amazing. (Source: family devices).

Conclusion: some are deeply disappointed; because: Apple didn't deliver the promise.
 
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imagineadam

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Anybody on iOS 9 try out that Afterpulse game yet? Is it awesome? (Sorry to be sort of off topic for a sec) I'm on 8.4.1 and it won't let me download it because it apparently requires iOS 9.0 or later but I don't want to give up basic smoothness and functionality for a game. That's another thing that's stinky about new iOS versions. Sometimes new games only run on the latest iOS. I don't see why iOS 8 couldn't handle that game.
 

philipyoungg

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Sep 17, 2015
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You want evidence? Good luck. I created another thread just for this:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-annually-slowing-down-our-devices.1926081/

Same people, different thread. I realized there's no point in having a discussion with people that cannot defend their position with substance. The best thing to do is smile, and move along.

Yeah I guess I'll stop checking macrumors from now on. Totally tired mentally.

Debate between believer and rational minded people: won't going anywhere.
 

C DM

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Oct 17, 2011
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So lets take an example.I am getting constant stutters in the app switcher on Air 2.Now that is a majoṛ issue.Are you saying not everyone has it?Some are saying they don't.Now in order to confirm who is correct we need visual evidence from those saying it is smooth
It's part of the stutters issue I mentioned. Depending on the level of stutter you have and how much it affects things, it's possible that others don't have it to the same degree. It's also possible that they have it to the same degree but don't see something like that as barely a minor issue, let alone a major one.
 

C DM

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So what topic are you actually arguing?

Oh.

You are arguing about "the" attitude now.
I think it's been clear what I've been talking about. And either in this thread or another one it has finally even been agreed on already, only to now be backtracked on to go back to not understanding and back to going in the same circles?
 

C DM

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When I spent nearly 700 dollars on this equipment yes it does matter.Especially as this device is not even a year old and it was a Freakin monster on 8 with ZERO lag in the 7 months I had it

If I could tolerate lag I would have just gotten a Nexus 9
So it is a major annoyance to you. It might be the same to some others. It's not for many others, even though it's still an issue just not one they really worry about or even notice perhaps. So, that said, whether someone agrees that it's a major issue or that Apple is horrible, does that make things any better for anyone? Does that get Apple to do anything more about it than whatever they were or weren't going to do about it? What is the point of going around the same circles in page after page trying to convince someone of something if it isn't going to affect anything?
 

C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
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The problem this is major issue is because:

- Apple promised performance improvement on metal devices (from 5s and iPad Air); clearly, the promise didn't deliver.
- IPhone 6(+) and Air 2 is only one year old and very capable. Even 6s is not free from lags (I don't have those devices, just stating the complain from threads here).
- It's only natural that OS get slower from each iteration. But iPhone 5 is smoother than 6+? That's something amazing. (Source: family devices).

Conclusion: some are deeply disappointed; because: Apple didn't deliver the promise.
That's petty much it. Some ste disappointed, others are not. Doesn't make one group better than the other. And more importantly it doesn't change or affect anything if more or less people become disappointed, things stay the same.
 

I7guy

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Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
Yeah I guess I'll stop checking macrumors from now on. Totally tired mentally.

Debate between believer and rational minded people: won't going anywhere.
There's nothing to be tired mentally about. Trying to move the universe in your direction is much more difficult that being aligned with the universe. Meaning that you state your case and move on can't get emotionally attached to this issue. If it is a really big problem for you, you can solve the issue in a number of ways.
 

itsJoeClark

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Sep 17, 2015
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Look, I feel like these Apple apologists are never going to accept that Apple's quality control team have been slacking lately. I think it's evident in the way some of these people are saying "YEAH BUT ITS ONLY A BIT OF LAG WHY DO U CARE?" "YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL, YOU ENTITLED BRAT" (lol how anti-consumerist was that dude btw? I can't be bothered to scroll up to tag him here but hopefully he reads this)

- we weren't saying this when Android was a younger OS and stuttering all over the place while iOS was smooth. We laughed at Android because of it's lagginess. Now the shoe is on the other foot you guys can't take it. I consistently chose the iOS platform because lagginess annoys me. I could never use Android because of it, even today some stuttering in Android makes me not want to switch.

I'm not even going to entertain that weirdo's response to what I said earlier -- I don't know what on Earth they were going on about, but regardless...

If this debate is now about the effect of lag and whether it's important on the UX then I am happy! At least now we acknowledge the existence of the lag.

(sorry if my writing is sloppy. I'm tired)
 

I7guy

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Gotta be in it to win it
Look, I feel like these Apple apologists are never going to accept that Apple's quality control team have been slacking lately. I think it's evident in the way some of these people are saying "YEAH BUT ITS ONLY A BIT OF LAG WHY DO U CARE?" "YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL, YOU ENTITLED BRAT" (lol how anti-consumerist was that dude btw? I can't be bothered to scroll up to tag him here but hopefully he reads this)

- we weren't saying this when Android was a younger OS and stuttering all over the place while iOS was smooth. We laughed at Android because of it's lagginess. Now the shoe is on the other foot you guys can't take it. I consistently chose the iOS platform because lagginess annoys me. I could never use Android because of it, even today some stuttering in Android makes me not want to switch.

I'm not even going to entertain that weirdo's response to what I said earlier -- I don't know what on Earth they were going on about, but regardless...

If this debate is now about the effect of lag and whether it's important on the UX then I am happy! At least now we acknowledge the existence of the lag.

(sorry if my writing is sloppy. I'm tired)
So now we have a divided universe? 50% are "Apple apologists" and what about the other 50%? "Whiners"? And the "you guys can't take it"? What you guys? People are posting their experiences not defending anything.
 

iBighouse

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Mar 11, 2012
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I got a notice on my iPad 4 to upgrade to the release of 9.1 this morning. I had previously been running the latest public beta 9.1. I agreed to the download.

Now, my iPad is so laggy that I can barely use it. The home button doesn't even work when I press it! I have to wait a few seconds for some things to happen even.

Apple, this is a horrible user experience. The worst upgrade experience I've ever had.
 

dk001

macrumors demi-god
Oct 3, 2014
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The point is understood? Sorry, not even close to having minor lag on a smartphone.

Think about that for a moment. Minor lag and life and death situation. Not even in the same universe.

That really was the classic post in this entire thread. You have to agree, nothing is even close.

I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt and guess he posted it to inject some levity into this thread, but something tells me he didn't. Haha!

  • Issue: Lag
  • Severity: varies by user.
Your use of minor may apply to your situation but for some it may be major. I know on my Mini3 I have some websites and a couple of apps where the lag is major.
 
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