So turns out iOS 9 is actually laggy

[MEJHarrison]

It's almost always the same people.

That's because they're the only ones who are still sticking it out after 40 pages. It certainly doesn't mean they're alone. It's just that some of us got sick of hearing how iDevices have become "unusable", how people are switching to something new, tired of hearing people saying "you're wrong, wrong, wrong".

I'm tired of the hyperbole. It's just nonsense and people acting like spoiled children. I'd be more sympathetic if things were actually broken. But that's not the case. People aren't mad because their devices aren't working, they're mad because they're not working perfectly. And that's just too entitled for me to stand. I still read and laugh, but I refuse to engage with those people. Not worth my time.

 

[thed0g]

I'm tired of the hyperbole. It's just nonsense and people acting like spoiled children. I'd be more sympathetic if things were actually broken. But that's not the case. People aren't mad because their devices aren't working, they're mad because they're not working perfectly. And that's just too entitled for me to stand. I still read and laugh, but I refuse to engage with those people. Not worth my time.

Are you high ? Lets say you brought your car to a detail shop and when you picked it up and drove off, the wheels would start shaking because of damaged wheels, which wasn't the case before, so something must have happened in your absence.

Would you bring the car back? By your "logic" why even? It does still work and drives from A to B, doesn't it? Lets not be "entitled" to fixing something that didn't exist before, right?

 

[Act3]

That's because they're the only ones who are still sticking it out after 40 pages. It certainly doesn't mean they're alone. It's just that some of us got sick of hearing how iDevices have become "unusable", how people are switching to something new, tired of hearing people saying "you're wrong, wrong, wrong".

I'm tired of the hyperbole. It's just nonsense and people acting like spoiled children. I'd be more sympathetic if things were actually broken. But that's not the case. People aren't mad because their devices aren't working, they're mad because they're not working perfectly. And that's just too entitled for me to stand. I still read and laugh, but I refuse to engage with those people. Not worth my time.

I think people have a right to be mad considering the circumstances. What's funny is you sound mad at the people who are mad that their devices seem slower. Why is that? Why should those not seeing any issues even care to stick it out like they have something to prove?

 

[MEJHarrison]

Are you high ?

Not yet. It's barely 3:30 here and I still have a good 30-60 minutes to go here at work before I leave for the weekend. But as soon as I get home, I'll probably be looking into that since it's perfectly legal here in Oregon.

Lets say you brought your car to a detail shop and when you picked it up and drove off, the wheels would start shaking because of damaged wheels, which wasn't the case before, so something must have happened in your absence.

Would you bring the car back? By your "logic" why even? It does still work and drives from A to B, doesn't it? Lets not be "entitled" to fixing something that didn't exist before, right?

I'd absolutely bring that car back! That sounds like a serious safety concern that could put my life, and any passengers I might have with me, in serious danger.

Now that I've answered your question, please answer mine. What part of iOS 9 puts your life in danger while in use?

I'm not sure your analogy is making the point you were hoping for.

 

[MEJHarrison]

I think people have a right to be mad considering the circumstances.

I agree 100%. People have the right to be mad if they want.

What's funny is you sound mad at the people who are mad that their devices seem slower.

Is that how it sounds? Like I'm mad at those people? Wow, I wonder where that came from.

Why is that?

Honestly, I haven't a clue. You're the one saying I'm mad. You tell me.

Why should those not seeing any issues even care to stick it out like they have something to prove?

Ahh, the old "this discussion is only open to those who share my viewpoint" argument.

I never said there isn't lag. I never said there isn't dropped frames. I never said I don't see a problem on my devices. My only point is that in the vast majority of the cases, people's phones/pads/etc are working just as well as before. It's just the animations. Window dressing. And frankly, I'm fine with people being upset about that too. Are you cranky because turning your phone to landscape mode isn't 100% perfect? Fine. Be upset. I have no issues with that. Please use your valuable time complaining about it. If you manage to get it fixed, great. I can't say I'll "benefit" since I don't see how I'm currently harmed, but having that smoothness won't hurt either.

What I DON'T enjoy hearing is how that renders your phone useless. How it's junk. How it's not as good as other phones on the market. I'm tired of hearing people complain that they're going switch to something else. Keep in mind, their phone works. There's not even any serious bugs. They're bitching about the bells and whistles. Silly animations that in no way effect the function of the phone, just what you see while opening an app. This takes half a second longer, that isn't "buttery" smooth. This other thing isn't flawless. That's what I have issues with. People blowing things completely out of proportion.

 

[Act3]

Speaking about people blowing things out of proportion, take a breath and read your post. Lol

 

[scjr]

Slick reason to excuse the posting.

You mean, rationale reason to excuse the posting.

Posting what he sees on video, so you can claim you're seeing something completely differently isn't going to solve a thing and you know that.

But hey, you're right and we're all wrong and we'll just have to live with the crushing disappointment.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Speaking about people blowing things out of proportion, take a breath and read your post. Lol

Speaking about no context...

I read it multiple times. I stand by what I wrote. Now I'm going home to get high. I seriously doubt I'll be returning to this conversation. I'll follow along of course because I find the conversation amusing. But I'll be too busy playing a game or reading email or web browsing or any of the other things I typically use an iDevice for to actively take part. Yes, I got one of the rare iPhones and iPads that allow me to play games, read email, listen to music, etc. It might take email .75 second longer to load, but dang if it doesn't work fairly well once those pesky animations are out of the way!

Guess Apple forget to stick mine on the planned obsolescence track.

 

[scjr]

Are you high ? Lets say you brought your car to a detail shop and when you picked it up and drove off, the wheels would start shaking because of damaged wheels, which wasn't the case before, so something must have happened in your absence.

Would you bring the car back? By your "logic" why even? It does still work and drives from A to B, doesn't it? Lets not be "entitled" to fixing something that didn't exist before, right?

Huh?

You're comparing minor lag on a smartphone, to recognizing a potentially deadly situation in a automobile.

This has got to be the worst analogy, in the history of analogies. Haha!

 

[Act3]

Speaking about no context...

I read it multiple times. I stand by what I wrote. Now I'm going home to get high. I seriously doubt I'll be returning to this conversation. I'll follow along of course because I find the conversation amusing. But I'll be too busy playing a game or reading email or web browsing or any of the other things I typically use an iDevice for to actively take part. Yes, I got one of the rare iPhones and iPads that allow me to play games, read email, listen to music, etc. It might take email .75 second longer to load, but dang if it doesn't work fairly well once those pesky animations are out of the way!

Guess Apple forget to stick mine on the planned obsolescence track.

I'm done too

 

[Act3]

Huh?

You're comparing minor lag on a smartphone, to recognizing a potentially deadly situation in a automobile.

This has got to be the worst analogy, in the history of analogies. Haha!

may not be the best one but the point is understood. if you need a better one to get the point, how about this.... i install new drivers for video card in my computer and it causes the FPS for my game to go down. it still works, but not as good as it did before. but then again even that is not a good analogy as most video cards do not cost $650+ and there is almost always the option to roll back the drivers but I'd willing to bet the nvidia or ati users would flood their appropriate forums complaining.

 

[scjr]

may not be the best one but the point is understood. if you need a better one to get the point, how about this.... i install new drivers for video card in my computer and it causes the FPS for my game to go down. it still works, but not as good as it did before. but then again even that is not a good analogy as most video cards do not cost $650+ and there is almost always the option to roll back the drivers

The point is understood? Sorry, not even close to having minor lag on a smartphone.

Think about that for a moment. Minor lag and life and death situation. Not even in the same universe.

That really was the classic post in this entire thread. You have to agree, nothing is even close.

I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt and guess he posted it to inject some levity into this thread, but something tells me he didn't. Haha!

 

[newellj]

This brings us to the only really important question left to be dealt with in this thread.

What is the procedure for sacrificing small animals in front of your image?

Well, two questions, maybe. How much snow will we get this winter?

Don't tell me what 'a step in the right direction' is. You don't know me.

And yeah, I did say that. The only time I challenge people is when they say 'THE LAG DOESNT EXIST' because they're wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Like really, really wrong. Do you get the memo?

If someone told me that they are okay with the lag and find the iPhone 6 performance good considering it's a year old, Id be 100% okay with that point of view (although I would vehemently disagree) because they rightly acknowledge that there is lag.

This debate comes down to two groups of people:

The people who are right (admit that lag exists)

and

The people who are wrong (say lag doesn't exist)

That really is it. What your opinions are of lag and how it effects your experience is irrelevant here -- I just get slightly annoyed when people try (and fail) to assert that lag doesn't exist because, (just in case I haven't made myself clear already) it does.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Sorry, I said I was done. But I couldn't let it go on the drive home. My fault. I apologize.

if you need a better one to get the point, how about this.... i install new drivers for video card in my computer and it causes the FPS for my game to go down. it still works, but not as good as it did before.

Thank you. That's a far better analogy that the silly car. So let's run with your example.

Can you tell me which games don't run as well as they used to? I've not seen that personally, but to be fair, I'm not playing super intensive games. My tastes are more along the lines of The Room, Forever Lost, solitaire, etc. They don't exactly tax the system if you catch my drift. I've not heard of games running slower. Can you give some examples? I'm not talking about slower to open. I'm not talking about the game not opening at a smooth 60fps. I'm looking for games that once loaded, don't run as well as they did prior to iOS 9. I've yet to see any reports of that happening.

By the way, I'm also not talking about games with bugs. I have one that won't run period since updating. I have another that runs WAY too fast (you can't read the dialog as it runs past multiple screens of text in like .1 second). Hell, I have a minesweeper clone that's hasn't run right since iOS 4 or 5. Those are clearly bugs in those apps where they need to be updated for iOS 9. I'm looking for examples of games where the OS is the culprit, not an actual bug in the game. Or to put it in terms of your video drivers again, I'm not looking for a single game that's having issues. If it's the new drivers causing issues, you'd expect to see symptoms in most/all of your games. If only one game had issues while all others benefitted, I wouldn't necessarily immediately blame the new drivers.

I've heard of TONS of cases of animations being slow, frames being dropped, things taking longer, TouchID slowing down, etc. But this is the first I'm hearing of slowdowns within the apps themselves.

You may or may not have examples. Honestly, I don't know. If you do, I'd love some to look into it more. If not, I come back to the fact that it's really just the bells & whistles that are having issues. There are no far-reaching, serious bugs that are affecting multiple apps that I've heard about. I accept that some people find these UI issues annoying. Personally, I don't. Neither point of view is more valid than the other. As long as my app loads and runs correctly, I don't really care if it took a second or two longer to open. I don't care if the opening animation was a smooth 60fps. Sure it's nice. But for me, I can look past it because it's the app I'm interested in. Beyond some odd UI issues, I've been happy with iOS 9. I find it more stable. I really like some of the new APIs. I haven't noticed any performance degradation in the apps I use. With most of the apps I use, I probably wouldn't notice a performance boost (I have a 6 Plus). If you don't find it acceptable, I'm ok with that. I do feel some folks are taking things too seriously and placing too much emphasis on what is fairly insignificant in the big picture. My opinion of course. I wouldn't think of switching phones over it and can't fathom the thought process behind that. I support those who would like to get things fixed. But I can't support those people who want to turn this into a major disaster. At worst, Apple looks a little foolish. I've been a programmer for over 25 years. I've learned as far back as college that the bells & whistles can turn something good into something great. The finishing details are important. But they delivered a fairly solid OS in my opinion. It would have been nice with those finishing touches. I don't know what happened. But it does seem to be a pattern with every major OS release. And next year I'll buy the 7. And probably the first month or two will be slightly rocky in areas. And then things will improve. And there will be more threads like this. There is every year.

 

[Act3]

Sorry, I said I was done. But I couldn't let it go on the drive home. My fault. I apologize.



Thank you. That's a far better analogy that the silly car. So let's run with your example.

Can you tell me which games don't run as well as they used to? I've not seen that personally, but to be fair, I'm not playing super intensive games. My tastes are more along the lines of The Room, Forever Lost, solitaire, etc. They don't exactly tax the system if you catch my drift. I've not heard of games running slower. Can you give some examples? I'm not talking about slower to open. I'm not talking about the game not opening at a smooth 60fps. I'm looking for games that once loaded, don't run as well as they did prior to iOS 9. I've yet to see any reports of that happening.

By the way, I'm also not talking about games with bugs. I have one that won't run period since updating. I have another that runs WAY too fast (you can't read the dialog as it runs past multiple screens of text in like .1 second). Hell, I have a minesweeper clone that's hasn't run right since iOS 4 or 5. Those are clearly bugs in those apps where they need to be updated for iOS 9. I'm looking for examples of games where the OS is the culprit, not an actual bug in the game. Or to put it in terms of your video drivers again, I'm not looking for a single game that's having issues. If it's the new drivers causing issues, you'd expect to see symptoms in most/all of your games. If only one game had issues while all others benefitted, I wouldn't necessarily immediately blame the new drivers.

I've heard of TONS of cases of animations being slow, frames being dropped, things taking longer, TouchID slowing down, etc. But this is the first I'm hearing of slowdowns within the apps themselves.

You may or may not have examples. Honestly, I don't know. If you do, I'd love some to look into it more. If not, I come back to the fact that it's really just the bells & whistles that are having issues. There are no far-reaching, serious bugs that are affecting multiple apps that I've heard about. I accept that some people find these UI issues annoying. Personally, I don't. Neither point of view is more valid than the other. As long as my app loads and runs correctly, I don't really care if it took a second or two longer to open. I don't care if the opening animation was a smooth 60fps. Sure it's nice. But for me, I can look past it because it's the app I'm interested in. Beyond some odd UI issues, I've been happy with iOS 9. I find it more stable. I really like some of the new APIs. I haven't noticed any performance degradation in the apps I use. With most of the apps I use, I probably wouldn't notice a performance boost (I have a 6 Plus). If you don't find it acceptable, I'm ok with that. I do feel some folks are taking things too seriously and placing too much emphasis on what is fairly insignificant in the big picture. My opinion of course. I wouldn't think of switching phones over it and can't fathom the thought process behind that. I support those who would like to get things fixed. But I can't support those people who want to turn this into a major disaster. At worst, Apple looks a little foolish. I've been a programmer for over 25 years. I've learned as far back as college that the bells & whistles can turn something good into something great. The finishing details are important. But they delivered a fairly solid OS in my opinion. It would have been nice with those finishing touches. I don't know what happened. But it does seem to be a pattern with every major OS release. And next year I'll buy the 7. And probably the first month or two will be slightly rocky in areas. And then things will improve. And there will be more threads like this. There is every year.

I dont have any specific examples with iOS games having trouble. Graphic intensive games like infinity blade 3 and others have absolutely no problems at all on iOS 9 and that further raises the question on why the UI sometimes struggles. My analogy was more towards desktop video cards and drivers. Personally I don't play video games on computers anymore and was more reflecting on past experiences, i.e. 3dfx voodoo days etc where drivers played a major role on quake frame rates and such. yes that was years ago.

I run a air 2 with 9.1 and a iPhone 6 with 8.4.1 installed. Basically I am using my air 2 as a test platform for my phone as I use my phone more often than the iPad. The only thing holding me back from upgrading my phone is the delay they have introduced with the digitizer in iOS 9. If that is ever "fixed" or changed, I will update my phone to iOS 9 and will be as happy as I was on 8.4.1 (I will bold that last statement for Sh%ts and giggles and in the event someone from Apple that gives a sh%t reads these forums)

We all have our own opinions on it. I would like to have my devices on iOS 9 and be able to take advantage of the back button , the content blockers , and yes I7guy, the safari stability (yes Safari is better in the new iOS)and the other added stuff. And who knows, one night after a few too many beers, I may give up the 8.4.1 smoothness for the iOS 9 features and put my faith in that 9.4.1 will take care of the issues a month before I buy my iPhone 7. lol

 

[FatPuppy]

Anyone with a 5s please, is the lag gone on the following?:
-control center
-quick reply
-keyboard rotation
-switcher
-swiping pages
-both notification center and control center on the lockscreen
-music app

 

[philipyoungg]

But what if he does upload it and he can't see this stutter, but Radeon's and your eagle eyes can? What will it solve? Nothing really. It will continue this same circle jerk of lag vs no lag debate. Ultimately he's pleased the way his device is functioning and in the end, that is all that really matters to each individual user.

Guess I made it clear on my post.

He can see the lag on radon post, so most likely he can differentiate between 30FPS and 60FPS.
What will it solve is one thing: the fact that every device perform differently is true—just like what C DM hypothesize.

 

[duffman9000]

If you haven't experienced 8.4.1'on Air 2 you don't know the beast that it really was at one point of time.Zero lags and Instantaneous response.pretty Sure the Pixel C will be smoother than current Air 2

I had to swap my 6+ yet again and it came with 8.4. Wow, I'd forgotten how smooth my phone used to be.

 

[Radon87000]

I had to swap my 6+ yet again and it came with 8.4. Wow, I'd forgotten how smooth my phone used to be.

In 9.1 when exceptionally the phone runs smooth at times I get pleased with it and it's like a whole new device before 9.1 gets back to ruining the experience again.



PS-Funny how the guys with 60fps smooth devices haven't yet posted a single video backing up their claims and There's many by the people who claim the contrary

 

[C DM]

In 9.1 when exceptionally the phone runs smooth at times I get pleased with it and it's like a whole new device before 9.1 gets back to ruining the experience again.



PS-Funny how the guys with 60fps smooth devices haven't yet posted a single video backing up their claims and There's many by the people who claim the contrary

Nothing funny about it given the pointlessness of doing that that was explained in many posts.

 

[ZEEN0j]

Nothing funny about it given the pointlessness of doing that that was explained in many posts.

The videos posted that claim to be smooth hasn't been. You honestly think if someone posted a perfectly smooth 60fps video with no frame rate drops. That the complainers would say it dropped frames either way? The people who have issues would love to be proven wrong. Not the other way around.

 

[C DM]

The videos posted that claim to be smooth hasn't been. You honestly think if someone posted a perfectly smooth 60fps video with no frame rate drops. That the complainers would say it dropped frames either way? The people who have issues would love to be proven wrong. Not the other way around.

Of course quite a few would. You only need to see how much some stand behind absolutes and extremes in their arguments to know that there would be plenty who would find issues no matter what. Generally it's because they would be convinced that they see something and that's often enough to make someone see it even if it might not be there--similar to the reverse that those with issues apply to those who don't have the same issues or aren't bothered by the minor ones they have simply saying they are just not sensitive enough. (And some could easily say they see something whether or not they see it just to at the very least save face.).

Certainly given heated arguments put out by various people tryinf to prove they are right, why would they want to be proven wrong? They wouldn't be in such heated arguments defending their position so much if they would be happy about being proven wrong.

Again, not to say everyone would do that by far, but these are forums, and it's rather unrealistic to expect that it wouldn't happen.

 

[philipyoungg]

Of course quite a few would. You only need to see how much some stand behind absolutes and extremes in their arguments to know that there would be plenty who would find issues no matter what. Generally it's because they would be convinced that they see something and that's often enough to make someone see it even if it might not be there--similar to the reverse that those with issues apply to those who don't have the same issues or aren't bothered by the minor ones they have simply saying they are just not sensitive enough. (And some could easily say they see something whether or not they see it just to at the very least save face.).

Certainly given heated arguments put out by various people tryinf to prove they are right, why would they want to be proven wrong? They wouldn't be in such heated arguments defending their position so much if they would be happy about being proven wrong.

Again, not to say everyone would do that by far, but these are forums, and it's rather unrealistic to expect that it wouldn't happen.

Agree that there will be some extremist from both side. But you yourself says that it is to be expected on forum. I would be happy proven to be wrong, that why some of us asking for video proof—because we believe it won't be possible at all.

If the video really shows smooth air 2 performance, then your hypothesis is right: every device perform differently. So there won't be those useless discussion that's going nowhere.

 

[ZEEN0j]

Of course quite a few would. You only need to see how much some stand behind absolutes and extremes in their arguments to know that there would be plenty who would find issues no matter what. Generally it's because they would be convinced that they see something and that's often enough to make someone see it even if it might not be there--similar to the reverse that those with issues apply to those who don't have the same issues or aren't bothered by the minor ones they have simply saying they are just not sensitive enough. (And some could easily say they see something whether or not they see it just to at the very least save face.).

Certainly given heated arguments put out by various people tryinf to prove they are right, why would they want to be proven wrong? They wouldn't be in such heated arguments defending their position so much if they would be happy about being proven wrong.

Again, not to say everyone would do that by far, but these are forums, and it's rather unrealistic to expect that it wouldn't happen.

Well some might. But that scenario hasn't happened yet as there haven't been a single video that hasn't had the issues posted on the forums. Frame rate drops is an absolute same as input delay. Some people are just more sensitive. And I can bet a lot of the people including myself would have no problem pointing out a smooth video if one was posted.

 

[C DM]

Agree that there will be some extremist from both side. But you yourself says that it is to be expected on forum. I would be happy proven to be wrong, that why some of us asking for video proof—because we believe it won't be possible at all.

If the video really shows smooth air 2 performance, then your hypothesis is right: every device perform differently. So there won't be those useless discussion that's going nowhere.

But we are talking about stutters and some framedrops in some places which are petty much there for most and most agree with that. The things I and various others take issue with are those related to some people having bigger issues and saying everyone has those too and to the same degree, or talking about those same stutters here and there and saying they completely make their device unusable and this is the most horrible iOS update ever.