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aristobrat

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At least I don´t have to carry a seperate device in a bag + a phone in the pocket. Because that´s just stupid.
But yet you recommend people buy a MacBook for the same situation (because it's more value for the money), despite the fact that it's a... wait for it... separate device you'd carry around in a bag, in addition to your iPhone.

With bigger screen I want full OS X! Not a freaking children´s toy called iPod Touch! Get real people!
Respectfully, how old are you? A device doesn't meet your specific expectations, so therefore it's a child's toy, and anyone that wants one needs to "get real"?
 

BobHail

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I have one too. Your point?

My point has been the same all along and it´s quite amazing how you could have missed it. Maybe use your brain a bit harder?

Point is this: iPad = not good for anything, that other available devices and computers (laptops) can already do perfecly well... and again, do MORE!!!

But I guess you just need to spend 499-829$ for another internet browsing toy device for your toilet sessions or whatever... go ahead, knock yourself out. I´m not stopping you. Just tried to make that brain of yours think about the reality for a second.
 

Smallville

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I'll likely buy an iPad this summer for my birthday. Why? Because this product is aimed at people like me: Casual users who don't already have a MacBook and iPod and iPhone and three other devices.

- I'm a casual computer user who doesn't want to shell out more than $1,000 for an Apple laptop. I could easily get by with 16GB and 3G for under $650.

- I have a 3-year-old iMac and a simple mobile phone that doesn't even have a camera. At most, I would carry two items: phone and iPad.

- My job doesn't require more than e-mail and word processing, so this would be perfect as a work machine and so much better than sharing a broken-down HP laptop the company provided.

- Although I thought about a netbook to meet that need, no way in hell am I ever buying Windows again.

- I'm sold on the $30-per-month, no-contract 3G.
 

0dev

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A device with a nice UI that'll let me buy books, check e-mail, browse the web, play music, watch TV shows and watch films is appealing to me.

Plus, with the magic of TVCatchUp, it's even a telly!

I can imagine myself reading, relaxing with a TV show, then doing some work on Pages (can Pages on the iPad support .docx though?)
 

sporadicMotion

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Oct 18, 2008
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Your girlfriends place
iWork in a word.

Every day, I toss my uMBP in my bag and go. I work an average of 10 hours per day and I'm on my computer a lot while on the go. HOWEVER, it's mostly email and document creation in word and excel. Once in a while, I have to use specific software in virtualization but for the most part, I'm using the basics... a lot.

SO! A device that I can write proposals, client programming, presentations, payroll, take notes, browse the internet on and compose emails is ideal. I don't really like NetBooks (I wanted to) just due to the serious lack of... well, everything.

This is what I was hoping it would be. The 3G model will be in my hands the day it's out.
 

BobHail

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But yet you recommend people buy a MacBook for the same situation (because it's more value for the money), despite the fact that it's a... wait for it... separate device you'd carry around in a bag, in addition to your iPhone.


Respectfully, how old are you? A device doesn't meet your specific expectations, so therefore it's a child's toy, and anyone that wants one needs to "get real"?

No no no. I don´t recommend buying a MacBook for browsing internet in the toilet. That´s what the iPad and iPhone is good for, except with iPhone you get so much more = more value for your money and I already explained the iPhone advances earlier.

With MacBook Pro you´ll get a REAL computer. Not an expensive children´s toy. Again more value for your money.
 

calderone

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My point has been the same all along and it´s quite amazing how you could have missed it. Maybe use your brain a bit harder?

You haven't made a point. Thanks for the insult though.

Point is this: iPad = not good for anything, that other available devices and computers (laptops) can already do perfecly well... and again, do MORE!!!

Yet, others and myself have made a case for why it is good for something. The fact that I have a laptop and want this device should explain something to you. I don't need the complexity of my laptop at all times. This device performs the typical tasks I perform on my Air.

But I guess you just need to spend 499-829$ for another internet browsing toy device for your toilet sessions or whatever... go ahead, knock yourself out. I´m not stopping you. Just tried to make that brain of yours think about the reality for a second.

No, I am spending $499-$829 for a device that replaces my:
Macbook Air and Kindle. And performs all the functions (or will when I complete the apps I need) I typically use these devices for.

If it is your contention that I haven't thought about "the reality" you couldn't be further from the truth. I know exactly what I need and this device replaces two devices, it honestly makes more economical sense.

But you are right, my brain is broken and I am wasting my money on a toy.

Come back when you actually have something useful to say.

i am NOT buying one because of this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XnRpjmouyc

i though you could need some other opinion.

Thanks for that. I would have made a mistake otherwise. :rolleyes:
 

dgree03

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No, I am spending $499-$829 for a device that replaces my:
Macbook Air and Kindle. And performs all the functions (or will when I complete the apps I need) I typically use these devices for.

If it is your contention that I haven't thought about "the reality" you couldn't be further from the truth. I know exactly what I need and this device replaces two devices, it honestly makes more economical sense.

But you are right, my brain is broken and I am wasting my money on a toy.

Come back when you actually have something useful to say.

Actually its not really replace either... You need to hook a ipad to a computer to do anything in regards to updating software, music, or videos.... How can it replace a I/O device without it being a true I/O device itself?
 

calderone

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Actually its not really replace either... You need to hook a ipad to a computer to do anything in regards to updating software, music, or videos.... How can it replace a I/O device without it being a true I/O device itself?

Because my Air is chocked full of ports, right?
 

aristobrat

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With MacBook Pro you´ll get a REAL computer. Not an expensive children´s toy. Again more value for your money.
I have a Mac and I have an iPhone 3Gs. I want something for around the house that has a bigger screen than my iPhone, with more portability than my Mac. The iPad fits that bill, so I will be buying one.

I understand that the iPad doesnt' meet your needs. How that somehow translates in your head to "it can't meet anyone's needs" is baffling.

Actually its not really replace either... You need to hook a ipad to a computer to do anything in regards to updating software, music, or videos.... How can it replace a I/O device without it being a true I/O device itself?
He was essentially using the MacBook Air as he would an iPad. His "real machine" is a Mac Pro (with a 30" Cinema Display), IIRC
 

calderone

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Does it have a USB port built in? Does the Ipad?

I have used my USB port once. What for? To boot to a USB drive for reinstall. Then, I put my server in place and use NetRestore for this. Don't need a USB port.

And technically, the iPad does have a USB port, but it only works with cameras. The thing most people plug into their computers.

Would you like to give me some more advice?
 

dgree03

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He was essentially using the MacBook Air as he would an iPad. His "real machine" is a Mac Pro (with a 30" Cinema Display), IIRC

So why would he want to get rid of a more capable computer for a less capable "media comsumption" device? I guess thats what im trying to understand... An Air can stand alone by its self... you can run full apps... full web browsing and decent I/O for a device that thin.... where does the Ipad fit?
 

tuhoops

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I haven't decided if I'm getting one or not. I was initially disappointed, and I still am today. I have an iPhone and an iMac, and have been looking at a netbook to fill the gap. As I said in an earlier post on a different thread, who knows why Apple does what it does? They had the chance to really make a big splash and create a market for a product that could have been revolutionary. They were so close. I really believe if they would've added just two elements to the iPad, just two, people's perceptions of the unit would be much more positive and reviewers wouldn't be writing the "it's just an overgrown iPod Touch" articles everyday.

The first element is a camera. The second is multitasking. Obviously multitasking can always be added via an OS upgrade, but for Apple to release this new product without a major revision of the iPhone OS was a HUGE mistake. I spoke with a developer who was tweaking his app on the new tools provided in the new SDK, and he said the app just looked kind of silly just floating in its original size in the middle of the huge screen, and it didn't look much better doubling the pixels.

With the new screen real estate, how cool would it have been to allow multiple apps to be on the screen at once, running, in effect, like widgets. There's your magic. That's your revolutionary device. Listen, I love everything else about it, but these two major omissions change everything. The average consumer may not be able to know what's missing, he or she just knows it's missing something. Which leads to the "it's just a big iPhone" perception. 60 more days of negative press and negative word of mouth before anyone can get their hands on one won't help either.

Apple, you were so close, but you blew it yesterday. I still see the promise of this device, but at minimum the iPhone OS it's using must be upgraded to allow multitasking and provide a better user interface. You think swiping through pages of apps was annoying on your iPhone, try it on this device! Give me folders, a better finder, categories -- something - and Apple's desire to create the iPhone world with it's app store on the iPad will actually have a chance to work.
 

dgree03

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I have used my USB port once. What for? To boot to a USB drive for reinstall. Then, I put my server in place and use NetRestore for this. Don't need a USB port.

And technically, the iPad does have a USB port, but it only works with cameras. The thing most people plug into their computers.

Would you like to give me some more advice?

Yea heres some... your net restore wont work on the ipad... its a non- computer.

And yes "technically" there is a usb add on... for $29 dollars... and your right its just to upload pictures... what about video? or music? Might as well hook it up to a computer at that point right?
 

aristobrat

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So why would he want to get rid of a more capable computer for a less capable "media comsumption" device? I guess thats what im trying to understand... An Air can stand alone by its self... you can run full apps... full web browsing and decent I/O for a device that thin.... where does the Ipad fit?
If he was only using the Air for "media consumption", what's the point of paying $400-800 more for a "capable computer" if it's only going to lay on the coffee table for occasional mail checking and web surfing?

And keeping a satellite "capable computer" in-sync with a main Mac is a huge PITA (iTunes, iPhoto, etc).

I guess all of this comes down to how people use their devices, IMO. For me, it's the perfect compliment between my iPhone 3GS and my main Mac.
 

BobHail

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May 15, 2009
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I have a Mac and I have an iPhone 3Gs. I want something for around the house that has a bigger screen than my iPhone, with more portability than my Mac. The iPad fits that bill, so I will be buying one.

I understand that the iPad doesnt' meet your needs. How that somehow translates in your head to "it can't meet anyone's needs" is baffling.

I understand that perfectly well, if 499-829$ is to you simply pocket change to throw away. Hell in that case I would buy one too! ;)

Otherwise for "normal poor people" heheh, it´s just an expensive toy. :p
 

Night Spring

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So why would he want to get rid of a more capable computer for a less capable "media comsumption" device? I guess thats what im trying to understand... An Air can stand alone by its self... you can run full apps... full web browsing and decent I/O for a device that thin.... where does the Ipad fit?

Because what he (and I) want *is* a media consumption device. For running full apps, I have my desktop computer. That's where I do all my "real" work. Notebooks, especially something as small as the Air or all those cheap Windows Netbooks, are too cramped for me to do any real work on.
 

calderone

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So why would he want to get rid of a more capable computer for a less capable "media comsumption" device? I guess thats what im trying to understand... An Air can stand alone by its self... you can run full apps... full web browsing and decent I/O for a device that thin.... where does the Ipad fit?

Let me break it down for you.

My MBA is used for:

1. Testing scripts
2. Testing server changes before rolling them out to my other machines
3. Monitoring and administering my server and its services.
4. Browsing the web.
5. Some app/script development.
6. Other random testing

I have other machines for testing. I can VNC on the iPad if I need to administer my server. I can use my main machine for development. However, we may see dev environments come to the App Store now that the iPad is here.

I really do not need my Air. The iPad reasonably replaces its functions.

And I do not agree that the Air can stand alone with its single USB port.

If he was only using the Air for "media consumption", what's the point of paying $400-800 more for a "capable computer" if it's only going to lay on the coffee table for occasional mail checking and web surfing?

And keeping a satellite "capable computer" in-sync with a main Mac is a huge PITA (iTunes, iPhoto, etc).

I guess all of this comes down to how people use their devices, IMO. For me, it's the perfect compliment between my iPhone 3GS and my main Mac.

For me, this really isn't a big deal. I run an OD and use PHD. Despite the infrastructure I have in place, I still want to give the iPad a shot at replacing my Air.
 

aristobrat

macrumors G5
Oct 14, 2005
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I understand that perfectly well, if 499-829$ is to you simply pocket change to throw away. Hell in that case I would buy one too! ;)

Otherwise for "normal poor people" heheh, it´s just an expensive toy. :p
It's all relative. You wouldn't have to go too far to find someone that would consider your iPhone 3GS (and its data plan) + your Mac to be "Expensive Toys". ;)
 

dgree03

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Jan 8, 2009
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Let me break it down for you.

My MBA is used for:

1. Testing scripts
2. Testing server changes before rolling them out to my other machines
3. Monitoring and administering my server and its services.
4. Browsing the web.
5. Some app/script development.
6. Other random testing

I have other machines for testing. I can VNC on the iPad if I need to administer my server. I can use my main machine for development. However, we may see dev environments come to the App Store now that the iPad is here.

I really do not need my Air. The iPad reasonably replaces its functions.

And I do not agree that the Air can stand alone with its single USB port.



For me, this really isn't a big deal. I run an OD and use PHD. Despite the infrastructure I have in place, I still want to give the iPad a shot at replacing my Air.


Well from the sounds of it you do need a capable computer... I cant imagine rewriting script on a virtual ipad keyboard.. and any real dev wouldnt use one for that reason either... but I didnt realize there was a vnc app on the iphone so Monitoring stuff wouldnt be a bad use for a Ipad...

haha the air cant stand alone with only one USB port? and your suggesting the ipad can without a "fully functional" usb port adapter? heck the Air even has a mini display port and 128ssd option...
 

ARF900

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Oct 30, 2009
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As usual, Apple became a victim of the hype. People were expecting something out of Star Trek, but instead got a media device with some net surfing and computing ability.

You're right...if you're satisfied with your iPhone/iPod Touch for media, and your MacBook for computing, then this device wasn't aimed at you and you shouldn't get it.

Me.... the iPad addresses all the stumbling blocks that keep me from optimally using my iPod Touch as a media device (mainly screen size), plus it allows me to do real work with iWork as well as interface with XGA projectors. I consider those things to be a bonus. The device itself and the content paradigm that will go with it, as well as the price, meet my expectations. But I apparently wasn't expecting, or wanting, as much as you were. I don't think it's unreasonable to be disappointed that Apple doesn't make the computer you want -- a lot of people have been complaining about that for years. In fact, they complain about that here on MacRumors many times a day -- but the fact that you are "incredibly disappointed" that the iPad isn't it means that your expectations for this device were probably unrealistic.

Anyway, it's not about the device itself, it's about the content. This opens a new horizon for convenient media access, and likely a whole new subscription paradigm. I have no interest in reading the New York Times or Sports Illustrated, print or online, but there are a lot of people who do, and they'll pay. Me, I wanted primarily a book reader and a casual net surfer.

My only regrets are lack of front camera for video conferencing and the fact that it can't use CDMA data services (Verizon). My only decision relative to buying the thing is whether to buy it with or without data plan. Had they provided a Verizon option, it wouldn't have been a question. Now I have to evaluate whether the ATT option is worth the $130 to me. The "no-commitment" policy makes it easier for me, and I'll probably go for it.

I think this is a logical post, the iPad lacks the innovation we tend to see from apple, I mean dont get me wrong, people wouldve payed thousands for this thing 5 years ago, because it wouldve been without people having already been wowed by the iphone 3G, and the multitouch trackpads on the Macbook and MBP. This is a good device, but its not for everyone (not for me) and shouldnt be so heavily criticized, yes it has a few MAJOR issues (lack of flash?) but it should turn out ok.
 

calderone

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Well from the sounds of it you do need a capable computer... I cant imagine rewriting script on a virtual ipad keyboard.. and any real dev wouldnt use one for that reason either... but I didnt realize there was a vnc app on the iphone so Monitoring stuff wouldnt be a bad use for a Ipad...

haha the air cant stand alone with only one USB port? and your suggesting the ipad can without a "fully functional" usb port adapter? heck the Air even has a mini display port and 128ssd option...

Maybe you didn't notice the keyboard dock..... And I have a capable computer. Many actually.

Where did I say the iPad stands alone?

I never have a need for my Air's USB port. I have a Mini connected to my TV and don't need to connect my Air to a display or TV. By the way, the iPad has video out for projectors. 128GB SSD, I have it, don't need it. All of information is stored on a my server, including my home directory.
 
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