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With PC makers, unhappy customers can just switch to another manufacturer. Not so with Macs.
And Macs are better computers because of that. Only because software and hardware are in the same hands, Apple was able to make a smooth x86 to arm64 transition. Whereas Windows on ARM is a hot mess. I as a user benefit greatly from having only one company responsible for all, from the chip to the screen and everything between.

Look, it's impossible to build a Mac unless you do it the way Apple is doing it. To have a bunch of OEMs compete with each other is an entirely different approach, which will inevitably lead to different results. All you can do is compare the end products, Mac vs PC. What meets your needs! A growing number of customers find Macs adequate for what they are. This doesn't need to be your verdict, but others like it. They don't put up with it, they pay luxury prices for the privilege. Like a Porsche is not a good transporter and that doesn't matter to people looking for a sports car.
 
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leman

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You're changing the goalposts. I was responding to your original statement: "First, customers don’t care about upgrades." That was the point under discussion. And I still maintain just because people are willing to put up with it doesn't mean they're happy about it.

I admit that my original statement was a bit vague and too general. Let me clarify. What I meant is that the demand for upgradeability tends to be vastly overstated. It's a topic that DYI desktop builders and tech review sites like to talk about (probably for historical reasons), but very few people actually take advantage of. It would be very interesting to have some quantitive data on this, but unfortunately I was not able to find any polls or publications dealing with this issue. My personal impression is that upgradeability is mostly a psychological phenomenon. People like having options and many feel like options are being taken away from them. Just look at all these debates on "what if my storage needs will change drastically in 3 years" or "I got the 2TB SSD to be on the safe side" — both are entirely ridiculous. It's just folks looking for reassurance.

At the end of the day, the current success of Macs suggests that upgradeability ranks low on user's list of requirement. It's as you say, even of those who advocate upgradeability many are ok with tolerating its loss if they are happy with the rest. For me there is no principal difference between the statements "customer's don't care" and "customers are putting up with it" as long as the net effect is the same. What matters in the end is the actual purchase decision and whether the marketing strategy is sustainable. And it seems like it is — Apple got rid of upgradeability almost a decade ago and they are doing better than ever. It's not a product for everyone, and that's fine too.
 

leman

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Socketed interconnects are used all the time in avionics systems including fighter jets like the F35 which has to deal with vibrational issues much more than someone carrying around a laptop.

Sure, but how do these sockets look and how much they weight? It's like we are discussing problems with cycling in mud and you retort that tanks have no issues with muddy terrain. Factually correct but not really relevant.

To be clear, I don't buy the "vibrations in a laptop" argument either. These sockets are secure enough unless your computer is subjected to strong shock, in which case a dislocated storage module will be the least of your worries. The main problem with socketed connections in laptops is the amount of required space, but I'm sure they can be made compact enough.

There is no signal integrity disadvantage using connectors vs soldered joints. Companies like Molex design connectors that operate at much higher data rates than the rates used by Apple’s SSDs.

The disadvantage is power consumption.
 

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As you may know, an SSD has four components: NAND flash memory, DRAM, controller, and firmware.

I've read that, in the Studio, only the NAND is removable. If so, that means their slotted solution won't help reparability if the DRAM or controller fails.

I don't know if Apple did this purely for financial reasons (to prevent customers from instead purchasing aftermarket SSDs), or if there is additionally some technical benefit to the NAND and DRAM being on-die.
There are at least two benefits to integrating the controller into the M1 SoC. (Note, the NAND is not integrated. More on that in a bit.)

One is that Apple doesn't need an extra DRAM chip just for the SSD. They just set aside some main DRAM. This is possible because the controller is just another node on the SoC's internal NoC (network-on-chip); it has full access (at very high speed) to system DRAM.

The second is extremely high security. Secrets needed to read and write the flash media can be kept entirely inside highly secure parts of the SoC which are designed to provide no path for rogue software to read from. When the disk encryption key is created, it's randomly generated by the Secure Enclave TRNG, and is never allowed to truly leave the SE. When it's in use, the key is only available to a hardware encryption/decryption block whose only outside interfaces are encrypted data in / decrypted out (or vice versa).

Thanks to this unique architecture, properly configured M-series Macs are extremely resistant to attackers who want to extract data from the computer without your cooperation, even if the attacker has physical possession of the machine. The same cannot be said of Windows laptops, even with Bitlocker. Does this matter to you? Probably not. But it's been a major focus for Apple over the past decade. They have delivered the highest level of security currently available in mass market personal computing devices. Part of it is enabled by this tight integration between the Secure Enclave and SSD controller.

Finally, the NAND. I mentioned it isn't integrated. That's why it's able to be on removable modules in some AS (and T2) Macs. The interface between Apple Silicon SoCs and NAND memory is, of all things, PCIe. Since nobody actually makes NAND flash with a direct PCIe interface, Apple designs these little interface chips which speak various NAND flash protocols on one side and PCIe on the other. Note, these are not anything like full SSD controllers, they're a very low level abstraction over raw NAND.

Does that mean anyone can make proper NAND modules for AS Macs? Nope, the protocol is completely undocumented. While it's certainly plausible that it could be reverse engineered, an important barrier is that the system design downloads a firmware image unique to the NAND manufacturer and flash generation, these firmware images have to be signed by Apple, they're designed to execute on these Apple-designed interface chips (each of which contains an Apple designed embedded Arm core, btw), and Apple put all this together for their own convenience rather than flexibility. So there's lots of ways to have it fail to work if the interface chips aren't Apple's and/or the configuration isn't exactly something Apple has already shipped.
 

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It's a topic that DIY desktop builders and tech review sites like to talk about (probably for historical reasons), but very few people actually take advantage of.
Actually back when Macs had user upgradable RAM and HDD, the number one shopping advice was to not buy expensive upgrades from Apple and do it yourself. Lots and lots of Mac users did just that to save a hundred bucks for 5 minutes of easy work. If it was still possible today, I would be on Ebay right now to buy someone's 16 GB sticks left from upgrading their MacBook Pro's memory and put them in my M1 iMac.

The difference between the present and the past is, that back when Apple started soldering down the RAM people couldn't see any benefits for the users. It was just a mean-spirited money grab. But by now with unified memory and system on a chip, we finally reap the benefits of tighter integration over modular upgradability. Going back to upgradable memory is almost impossible.

Geez, the iMac power cord even needs magnets, because good old plastic-on-plastic friction wouldn't hold the plug in place on such a thin device. Now you may not value thin and light, cool and quite as much as I do. But then the Mac isn't for you. Just like not everybody likes the apex speed of a Porsche.
 

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1. Any argument like this that tries to draw "the environment" into it is ridiculous. Don't. Not everything is about "the environment".
2. Would you be OK with a device that is an overall a worse design because the storage needs to be removable, and performance that is worse because it needs to go through a different interface? I would not.
3. Just be honest and say, "These computers are almost too expensive for me, so I prefer to buy them as cheap as I can, and upgrade some parts later when I have more money." Because that's really what this is about, right? This is about needing 1 TB of storage, but not wanting to pay for it (yet), and somehow Apple's product is designed wrong because of this. No.
You try to be tough, eh?

Everything is about the environment - it is the only space for you to ... you know, live and keep on living. It is not separated frm us. You and we are right in the middle of it, individible part of "it". It cannot be replaced by any economical or technical means.

Criticizing and avoiding companies products when they destroy our environment is an ongoing change we need so desperately.

Apple never was a green company ever, but they hid it quite effectively from us. They were somewhat sustainable in some products and usages regarding lifespan. But this seems to change, too, for the worse. Step by step.

We as users can change that. But change is hard and never comfortable.
 

Gudi

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Apple never was a green company ever, but they hid it quite effectively from us.
But isn't the transition to arm64 SoC a huge energy and resources saving for the entire Mac platform? Now the heaviest thing of an iMac is the box it ships in. If they can rid of that, the entire computer is the size of small monitor with the energy consumption of a small monitor, but less heat and noise.
 

maflynn

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1. Any argument like this that tries to draw "the environment" into it is ridiculous. Don't. Not everything is about "the environment".
Agreed, but then companies think that by using it for their marketing, they can gain an edge on sales. manufacturing batteries for instance, cause a lot of pollution/toxicity.

2. Would you be OK with a device that is an overall a worse design because the storage needs to be removable, and performance that is worse because it needs to go through a different interface? I would not.
I would not say worse design, but different design. Consider the Frame Work laptop It is a laptop that is completely upgradeble and its design aesthetics is not all that bad

3. Just be honest and say, "These computers are almost too expensive for me, so I prefer to buy them as cheap as I can, and upgrade some parts later when I have more money." Because that's really what this is about, right? This is about needing 1 TB of storage, but not wanting to pay for it (yet), and somehow Apple's product is designed wrong because of this. No.
I think overall, this seems like somewhat misplaced, I think the idea of an upgradeable laptop is not born out of current machines being to expensive, and while apple does charge a lot. I think having options, and freedom to upgrade later is distinct from budgetary constraints.
 
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theluggage

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I've read that, in the Studio, the NAND is removable, and the controller is not; not sure about the DRAM. If so, that means their slotted solution won't help reparability if controller (and DRAM?) fails.

I don't know if Apple did this purely for financial reasons (to prevent customers from instead purchasing aftermarket SSDs), or if there is additionally some technical benefit to the controller (and DRAM?) being on-die.
The NAND is (a) the bit that is most subject to failure and which only has a finite number of write cycles (b) the bit you need more of to expand the storage and (c) the bit that you might want to destroy securely when disposing of a computer thats been used for confidential work. It’s the bit that really needs to be replaceable, even if not upgradeable.

For Apple it’s probably partly a logistics vs. volume thing - how many Studios/MacBook Pros with 8TB storage do they need to make this quarter? With soldered storage this gets fixed when the logic board is made, so you better guess in advance - with socketed it is deferred until the machine is assembled - you really can “build to order” for rarely-ordered configurations if needed. Wouldn’t surprise me if the different sales volumes of MBPs vs. Studios tip the balance there.
 
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I have an 2017 iMac with a slow Fusion Drive. In theory I could upgrade it to an internal SSD, but instead I went with a thunderbolt 3 external SSD as my main bootable drive. It is much faster, even if it probably wouldn’t win a benchmark against an internal SSD.
I understand a desktop is a different situation but I have to think the future of upgradability is via fast ports. In a perfect world Apple would have a small bay in the MacBook Pro with thunderbolt ports where you could connect upgrades. A fast or massive sized upgrade is worth the overhead.
 

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I'm not entirely sure this is true for most people: like I showed in the plot I posted before, storage sizes haven't really changed that much in the past 10 years (definitely not to the extent they changed in the previous decade), and more and more media is being offloaded to the cloud so most people don't need to dedicate disk space to music or shows/movies. The only thing I think has really increased for non-video editors (who now have had to deal with 4K/RAW/etc) over the past decade are photo libraries, since phone cameras are sporting higher megapixels and thus bigger photos/videos.

Of course, there will always be exceptions (video editors, high-end photographers, genetic biologists, media hoarders, etc.), but most of the people in those categories already rely on network/external storage for their massive files.
Well for me I would have to buy 4TB in order for it to make it a system that I can use practically for the next two years. It’s not about what you think is true or not it’s to have the option, not having it is fundamentally and ethically wrong When these computers are perfectly usable otherwise. I feel like you don’t take into account things like 3D files and all the assets that come along with that. Then the working files and the final submission files. Not to mention software, it takes up a lot of space. Some people also prefer to travel with their music libraries on their computers. These all add up and as you mentioned photographs and videos are taking up a lot more storage and for people who travel not every place is going to have amazing internet to access data in the cloud.
 

120FPS

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Yeah, not to mention the packaging and shipping of all those parts, some of which went unsold and hopefully ended up recycled (a probably not). Plus, low power high performance memory is surface mounted anyway.
There is a really healthy resale market of these items, they don’t simply toss them out. Look at the Steam Deck SSD‘s those are from Surface tablets and are being resold on the second hand market. Where there is money to be made people will be there.
 

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Because, you see, 10 years ago? Those were MY days. And I’d like to take this opportunity to ensure that everyone is fully aware that things, in general, were better in my days. Now, I shall take my leave before you provide facts indicating that my thinking MAY be based on “Being young is awesome so everything that was around when I was young must have also been awesome!” /s
Oh the hypocrisy of this comment.
 

120FPS

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I see, then you should go to Nvidia and ask them to build you a computer. You're obviously looking for a PC, as in IBM-compatible PC. That's the platform Nvidia builds expansion cards for.

PC does whaaat?! Windows gaming is another great reason to buy a Wintel box. I mean, you can't go to Sony and insist to play Mario on a PlayStation either. You've got to go to Nintendo and buy their Super Mario Entertainment System. That's how intellectual property works.

General Computing only means that you can build all kinds of programs on a Mac, not that every program ever written will be compatible with a Mac. You want to run software written for Windows? Fine, do it! On a PC.
You’re completely ignoring the fact that a lot of Apple users took the time to contact these developers to ask them to bring their software over to macOS. They had no reason to even think of doing that before. To get to this point of macOS software support took a lot of effort, Steve Jobs (and the people around him) patched the Titanic. If Apple slips up again then why would any developer even think of brining their software to the mac, its like Google’s notoriety of cancelling products and services, why would a customer even bother with that support history?
 

Gudi

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If Apple slips up again then why would any developer even think of brining their software to the Mac?
I think we're leaving the topic soldered vs. modular here. But since you're asking, the developers already are on the arm64 platform, just more on the iOS side than the Mac side. And yes, Apple is already sabotaging it's relationship with third party developers over greedy AppStore policy.

Free Fortnite FAQ - Epic Games
 

Unregistered 4U

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Either way the point is that loss of upgradeability is not a deal-breaker for the users. And as such, there is no incentive for Apple to bring it back.
Anyone know how Framework is doing? Are they even selling well among PC users (I never see them in the lineup of top 5 PC vendors…)
 

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3. Just be honest and say, "These computers are almost too expensive for me, so I prefer to buy them as cheap as I can, and upgrade some parts later when I have more money." Because that's really what this is about, right? This is about needing 1 TB of storage, but not wanting to pay for it (yet), and somehow Apple's product is designed wrong because of this. No.
I can be honest and say those computers ABSOLUTELY were too expensive for me and that’s why I bought as cheap as I could, (even refurb) and upgraded parts when I had money OR when the price of that amount of storage had dropped to $99. :)

I also know that other reasons why folks are perturbed by Apple’s soldered solution is that it’s very unlikely that they’ll find a MBP in the trash due to unseated RAM (that they can “fix” and sell for little effort) or be able to get a Mac for cheap from a non-techy fried because THEY didn’t know that the spinning disc HD just needed to be replaced.
 

LinkRS

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<snip........>

Thanks to this unique architecture, properly configured M-series Macs are extremely resistant to attackers who want to extract data from the computer without your cooperation, even if the attacker has physical possession of the machine. The same cannot be said of Windows laptops, even with Bitlocker. Does this matter to you? Probably not. But it's been a major focus for Apple over the past decade. They have delivered the highest level of security currently available in mass market personal computing devices. Part of it is enabled by this tight integration between the Secure Enclave and SSD controller.

<.......snip>
Howdy Mr_Roboto,

I do not want to derail this thread, but can you share some sources that talk about what you describe above? I am very interested in this topic, of how AS is designed to be resistant to attackers. Thanks!

Rich S.
 

MegaBlue

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I think the intention is to push a majority of users to some kind of cloud based solution.

Obviously, cloud solutions can't work for everyone. Some people don't have the internet resources to make use of that, like people in rural or developing communities. Some people have to work with files that can take a long time to transfer even over the fastest available networks, like people working with ProRes video. Some people just simply cannot afford to pay for subscription storage services and local expandable storage is a much cheaper long-term solution.

But, the reality of the situation is that for a majority of computer customers these days, the above isn't really an issue. Companies, not just Apple are pushing these services, and as time continues on and network infrastructure expands and improves, the amount of people where the cloud isn't a viable option shrinks.

5 years ago, I wouldn't have been able to keep 100% of my documents in the cloud. The average network wasn't fast enough. Now, 100% of my documents are in the cloud, and I'm always connected on a strong, stable network. I could easily cut my Mac's storage in half and be fine.

Unfortunately, this is the route technology is going down. Everything is increasingly going to be cloud-based. It's always going to be an inconvenience to a group of people, but the group that makes the most money, the average consumer, is impacted the least these days.

The only computer where the majority customer needs flexibility like that is the Mac Pro, so I think the ARM Mac Pro is going to retain several levels of modularity.
 

ahurst

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Well for me I would have to buy 4TB in order for it to make it a system that I can use practically for the next two years. It’s not about what you think is true or not it’s to have the option, not having it is fundamentally and ethically wrong When these computers are perfectly usable otherwise. I feel like you don’t take into account things like 3D files and all the assets that come along with that. Then the working files and the final submission files. Not to mention software, it takes up a lot of space. Some people also prefer to travel with their music libraries on their computers. These all add up and as you mentioned photographs and videos are taking up a lot more storage and for people who travel not every place is going to have amazing internet to access data in the cloud.
You're absolutely right that there are many people who work with big files or have extensive digital media collections. I personally have a 200+ GB collection of lossless music on my iMac, a bunch of large VMs, and terabytes of media, software, and backup images from old computers on an 8 TB external.

My point is that unless something dramatic changes in the storage industry, in 5 years' time a 4TB M.2 SSD isn't going to be much cheaper (though it'll likely be faster) because since the early 2010's there hasn't been much demand for larger internal drives. People who need lots of storage go external or NAS, and only keep files they're actively using on internal SSD. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if I could buy an 8TB SSD for ~$100 in a few years, but if the last decade is anything to go on it's unlikely to happen.
 

theorist9

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I admit that my original statement was a bit vague and too general. Let me clarify. What I meant is that the demand for upgradeability tends to be vastly overstated. It's a topic that DYI desktop builders and tech review sites like to talk about (probably for historical reasons), but very few people actually take advantage of. It would be very interesting to have some quantitive data on this, but unfortunately I was not able to find any polls or publications dealing with this issue. My personal impression is that upgradeability is mostly a psychological phenomenon. People like having options and many feel like options are being taken away from them. Just look at all these debates on "what if my storage needs will change drastically in 3 years" or "I got the 2TB SSD to be on the safe side" — both are entirely ridiculous. It's just folks looking for reassurance.
I think you're over-trivializing the need for upgradeability by characterising it as confined to tinkerers (DIY-ers). Maybe having workstations with upgradable RAM isn't useful in your world, but it is in mine. For instance, you might buy a machine with 32 GB RAM because that's big enough for the simulations you're doing at the time. But then you decide to work on a new system requiring an array that's, say, 80 GB, so you upgrade to 128 GB RAM.
At the end of the day, the current success of Macs suggests that upgradeability ranks low on user's list of requirement. It's as you say, even of those who advocate upgradeability many are ok with tolerating its loss if they are happy with the rest. For me there is no principal difference between the statements "customer's don't care" and "customers are putting up with it" as long as the net effect is the same. What matters in the end is the actual purchase decision and whether the marketing strategy is sustainable. And it seems like it is — Apple got rid of upgradeability almost a decade ago and they are doing better than ever. It's not a product for everyone, and that's fine too.
Again, you're changing the discussion. I was reponding to this statement, which isn't about what matters to Apple, it's about what matters for the customer:

First, customers don’t care about upgrades. They really don’t.
And while there may be no difference to Apple between "customer's don't care" and "customers are putting up with it", that's certainly not the case for the customers themselves. That's just true on the face on it.

I agree neither of us has any real data on this—just anecdotal info. from our personal experiences and knowledge. But I still think it's important to maintain clarity, and not conflate Apple's preferences with those of its customers.
 
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Socketed interconnects are used all the time in avionics systems including fighter jets like the F35 which has to deal with vibrational issues much more than someone carrying around a laptop.
Is it possible, and hear me out on this, that there are more differences in designing warplanes and laptops than just the vibration environment?
 

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My point is that unless something dramatic changes in the storage industry, in 5 years' time a 4TB M.2 SSD isn't going to be much cheaper (though it'll likely be faster) because since the early 2010's there hasn't been much demand for larger internal drives. People who need lots of storage go external or NAS, and only keep files they're actively using on internal SSD.
The demand is on the server side. It's likely that whatever you see on the internet is stored on NVMe SSDs. There are cheaper storage formats for rarely accessed bulk data, but NVMe is the default for the data people actually want to see.
 

theorist9

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There are at least two benefits to integrating the controller into the M1 SoC. (Note, the NAND is not integrated. More on that in a bit.)

One is that Apple doesn't need an extra DRAM chip just for the SSD. They just set aside some main DRAM. This is possible because the controller is just another node on the SoC's internal NoC (network-on-chip); it has full access (at very high speed) to system DRAM.

The second is extremely high security. Secrets needed to read and write the flash media can be kept entirely inside highly secure parts of the SoC which are designed to provide no path for rogue software to read from. When the disk encryption key is created, it's randomly generated by the Secure Enclave TRNG, and is never allowed to truly leave the SE. When it's in use, the key is only available to a hardware encryption/decryption block whose only outside interfaces are encrypted data in / decrypted out (or vice versa).

Thanks to this unique architecture, properly configured M-series Macs are extremely resistant to attackers who want to extract data from the computer without your cooperation, even if the attacker has physical possession of the machine. The same cannot be said of Windows laptops, even with Bitlocker. Does this matter to you? Probably not. But it's been a major focus for Apple over the past decade. They have delivered the highest level of security currently available in mass market personal computing devices. Part of it is enabled by this tight integration between the Secure Enclave and SSD controller.

Finally, the NAND. I mentioned it isn't integrated. That's why it's able to be on removable modules in some AS (and T2) Macs. The interface between Apple Silicon SoCs and NAND memory is, of all things, PCIe. Since nobody actually makes NAND flash with a direct PCIe interface, Apple designs these little interface chips which speak various NAND flash protocols on one side and PCIe on the other. Note, these are not anything like full SSD controllers, they're a very low level abstraction over raw NAND.

Does that mean anyone can make proper NAND modules for AS Macs? Nope, the protocol is completely undocumented. While it's certainly plausible that it could be reverse engineered, an important barrier is that the system design downloads a firmware image unique to the NAND manufacturer and flash generation, these firmware images have to be signed by Apple, they're designed to execute on these Apple-designed interface chips (each of which contains an Apple designed embedded Arm core, btw), and Apple put all this together for their own convenience rather than flexibility. So there's lots of ways to have it fail to work if the interface chips aren't Apple's and/or the configuration isn't exactly something Apple has already shipped.
Yeah, when I originally wrote "if there is additionally some technical benefit to the NAND and DRAM being on-die", that was a typo. I subsequently changed it to "if there is additionally some technical benefit to the controller (and DRAM?) being on-die", but that was after you started your reply. I'm aware the NAND isn't integrated.;)

So what you wrote explains why the SSD in the 2019 iMac is user-upgradeable, but that in the 2020 iMac is not: The latter uses a T2 chip. And it sounds like the 2019 Mac Pro uses an arrangement similar to the Studio (removable NAND).

As you probably know, a few reviewers have found they can swap the NAND between Mac Studios if they were purchased withe same size SSD's. But it won't work if you try putting, say, a 1 TB NAND chip into a Studio that was purchased with 512 GB. I assume that's just due to firmware since, if the controllers were size-dependent, you'd need a different die for each different size of SSD, which seems untenable. Do you agree?

How does the security of storing data on an SSD with Apple's current system compare to that of iCloud (assuming you didn't store your keychain in iCloud)?
 
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