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Any recommendations on a solid system for surround sound DTS-X wireless like Sonos but not Sonos?
This is the one thing I've got against Sonos as they've hijicked the wireless term. Their speakers aren't wireless, they are powered speakers, so still need cables.

If you aren't fussed about a full multi-room setup, then any separates system will give a good experience but you'll need a lot of boxes. If you prefer a soundbar type setup then the Nakamichi Dragon is probably as good as it gets https://dragon.nakamichi-usa.com/
 
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Did you read your own article? Those issues have been patched. Why would they include it in their reviews when it is fixed?
They haven't all been patched on my system. And to go by the Sonos Reddit and Sonos's own user forum, they haven't been patched for lots of other people too.
 
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This is the one thing I've got against Sonos as they've hijicked the wireless term. Their speakers aren't wireless, they are powered speakers, so still need cables.
A wireless router or wireless router still need DC power. People understand the wire refers to the primary means of connectivity, where these speakers can play from sources transmitted over the air, so they are wireless.

What you really mean is portable speakers. And they properly market which speakers are portable and can function without a wired DC connection.
 
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After the experience I had trying to get my soundbar, rear channels, and sub working again, I will NEVER give them another dime for any reason whatsoever. The hardware is great but now that it all works with my AppleTV remote, I'll never open the app or update any of this stuff again. They should become a dumb speaker company and leave the app business to the grown ups.
I'm constantly having to 're-connect' my appletv and beam.
 
Okay? I have more too. Here's a whole list of security issues from Apple. Not sure how having a security issue equates to not being a properly run company.
I think it’s totally different case. Security issues didn’t make the product unusable or stop working. Sonos has the app run well for few years and suddenly they replaced with the worst one. This annoyed their users and fair enough if we questioned how they run the company.
 
My Sub 3 is already perfect.
Be careful saying stuff like that, we all know how it works by now.. 🙃

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A wireless router or wireless router still need DC power. People understand the wire refers to the primary means of connectivity, where these speakers can play from sources transmitted over the air, so they are wireless.

What you really mean is portable speakers. And they properly market which speakers are portable and can function without a wired DC connection.
Can't wholly agree with that analogy as speakers traditionally aren't powered by powercables. Most are powered by an amplifier and even sonos has an amplifier. Those 'wires' from such amplifier or receiver powered speakers are often unsightly, especially when one has a spouse and not chase them in the walls or floor.

Whilst Sonos fixes that one problem, it actually introduces another as speakers are often best in particular location, especially so when talking for home cinema duties, and there isn't always a power socket, and thus you introduce big cables again.

Naturally there are many high-end speakers as well that are both powered and wired.

So no, it isn't as straightforward as you suggest. The power cable is still needed.
 


Sonos today announced the launch of two new products, the Arc Ultra Soundbar and the Sonos Sub 4. The Sonos Arc Ultra is a new high-end soundbar that's priced at $999, while the $799 Sub 4 is the newest Sonos subwoofer with improved design and internals.

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The Arc Ultra offers up to double the bass of its predecessor, thanks to new transducer technology called Sound Motion. Sound Motion cuts down on the size of the transducer while also improving bass, for better sound from smaller devices. There are 14 Sonos-engineered drivers, the Sound Motion woofer, and a cluster of tweeters with waveguides to provide a 9.1.4 spatial audio experience.

New center channel architecture maximizes vocal clarity to make it easier to follow dialogue, and there is a Speech Enhancement feature for customization. Trueplay can be used to customize audio to a specific space.

Compared to the prior version of the Sonos Arc, the Arc Ultra has a curved design, matte finish, and slimmer build that doesn't obstruct TV bezels. There are touch controls behind the soundbar and an easy setup process through HDMI eARC.

The Sub 4 has a similar design to the Sub 3, but there is a new matte finish and a profile that allows it to stand upright, be placed on its side, or tucked under furniture. Sonos upped the processing power and memory of the Sub 4, and added new Wi-Fi radios for improved connectivity. Sonos says Sub 4 was created with inward-facing woofers to neutralize distortion, and the new model is compatible with the Arc Ultra, Arc, or Beam, as well as older versions of the Sub.

These are the first two products that Sonos has introduced since its ill-received app overhaul in May. Sonos opted to delay launching new devices earlier in 2024 in order to make improvements to the Sonos app, which have included bug fixes and feature additions to match the functionality of the original Sonos app. Sonos had delayed new product launches, but CEO Patrick Spence said that the company now feels the app has been improved enough to introduce new devices.

Earlier this month, Sonos recommitted to software quality and customer experience, promising to focus more on customer experience while also testing future app changes with customers before rolling them out.

Alongside the new devices, Sonos plans to roll out a new app update that will "surpass the performance of the previous app" across metrics like system identification, new device setup, and grouping multiple Sonos devices together. Sonos claims that the update will "reintroduce 90 percent of the new app's missing features."

The Sonos Arc Ultra and Sub 4 will be available from the Sonos website on October 29.

Article Link: Sonos Launches New $999 Arc Ultra Soundbar and $799 Sub 4
Why would anybody put what looks like a drainage pipe on their wall under the TV? Looks utterly crap.
 
I think it’s totally different case. Security issues didn’t make the product unusable or stop working. Sonos has the app run well for few years and suddenly they replaced with the worst one. This annoyed their users and fair enough if we questioned how they run the company.
But what you are saying is not what @victorvictoria is saying. What you are saying actually makes sense. The other person is saying security issues that they fixed and something you don’t like in a privacy policy makes them a poorly run company, which of course makes no sense.
 
here's the truth, companies are finding moving to the luxury segment gives them more margins so they are all trying to do that. the price increase that come from moving to the luxury segment is not proportional to the extra production cost. my view is customers need to rebel against all these price increases. the whole luxury segment is about manipulating people's desires to seem 'successful.' Even bang and olufsen released $1500 bluetooth headphones without any major improvement with the idea that it is just a 'luxury' product, which means you buy this to communicate to the world you can afford 1500 headphones. but all this shows in reality, if one is thinking with a critical mind, bang and olufsen is employing evil marketing tactics to play on the insecurities of people and the person was dumb enough to fall for it and waste 1500 on something he really doesn't need.
Absolutely. It's the same with companies who do limited releases to force scarcity. They're called Veblen goods.
 
I thought the exact same thing. And it’s actually $3600 (the Era 300 surrounds are $500 each). What a ridiculously unnecessary set-up!
Home theaters are a thing. I have a full traditional home theater atmos setup 7.2.4 system. I would estimate I have put over $10k into the audio alone. It's awesome but I would personally not consider it an extravagant home theater system. But it's actually scary how close a $3,600 Sonos system can sound in comparison. There is value there.
 
Home theaters are a thing. I have a full traditional home theater atmos setup 7.2.4 system. I would estimate I have put over $10k into the audio alone. It's awesome but I would personally not consider it an extravagant home theater system. But it's actually scary how close a $3,600 Sonos system can sound in comparison. There is value there.
This 100%. It has impressed me no end, and I've always been a separates' person. It has come a long way. The arc, 2 subs, and the era 300 is a very impressive combination. I can't wait to hear the new versions. But not all rooms are suitable for a soundbar, so there is still plenty of space for both.
 
here's the truth, companies are finding moving to the luxury segment gives them more margins so they are all trying to do that. the price increase that come from moving to the luxury segment is not proportional to the extra production cost. my view is customers need to rebel against all these price increases. the whole luxury segment is about manipulating people's desires to seem 'successful.' Even bang and olufsen released $1500 bluetooth headphones without any major improvement with the idea that it is just a 'luxury' product, which means you buy this to communicate to the world you can afford 1500 headphones. but all this shows in reality, if one is thinking with a critical mind, bang and olufsen is employing evil marketing tactics to play on the insecurities of people and the person was dumb enough to fall for it and waste 1500 on something he really doesn't need.
I am eyeing Beolab 90 as it seems to be the most "bang for my buck". But purchasing it for $150,000 still makes me wonder if my rich friends will approve or not. What if they all purchase it for $200,000 from some other outlet? They would call me a cheapskate.

Link for those interested
 
Seriously?!? The nerve. So this is-let me get this straight-3 products launched before even fully fixing their own operating software that they broke spectacularly?!? WTF Sonos-are you expecting people to buy MORE products when you sabotaged the existing ones and still haven't fully fixed after 6 months???

My god...

They delayed these for months and months and months because of the App. It's holiday time - would be idiotic to not get these in stores unless they want to set their stock on fire even more. Just hopin the app update that "restores 90%" of the old app isn't another colossal fail.
 
I don't see many comments about the soundbar itself, but it's worth noting that the transducer mentioned in the press release is the tech they acquired from Maht, which by all accounts is supposed to be quite remarkable. This will be the first time that the general public will be able to hear it, so I'm very interested to hear the reviews.

As for the app, I had some issues with speakers dropping out more often, but that seems to have been fixed in the latest update. Everyone seems to have a different experience, but for me, I'd say that the app is now 100% on par with their previous app in terms of reliability and the features that I use (there are still some features missing but I've never used them). I'd also say that for my setup, at no point was the new app any worse than using airplay, which remains the dark lord of sucky whole home audio.

Sonos' issue with the app was primarily that they forced the update on everyone. They should have just split the app so that people who bought the new headphones could suffer, while leaving the rest of us in peace. If they had released the app in the state it's in today, the only negative discussion would possibly have been about the interface changes.
 
I am eyeing Beolab 90 as it seems to be the most "bang for my buck". But purchasing it for $150,000 still makes me wonder if my rich friends will approve or not. What if they all purchase it for $200,000 from some other outlet? They would call me a cheapskate.

Link for those interested

WOW. I would need to be a cheapskate, because I would need to sell my house to buy a set.
 
Same here. I have the arc, sub, and ones. It sounds great. I remember using the app when I first got it to control the volume but now I just use my remote. Every once in a while I'll use the app to play music on Spotify and never had any issues. So that's why i'm also wondering what people are doing in the app. It seems pretty basic to me.

THIS. The only time I need the app is if I switch form music to TV - it takes a glaringly long time before Sonos realizes it should start throwing back the audio from the TV after endinging a Spotify connection - which I do form the Spotify App. The Sonos experience with Spotify is lacking. Otehrwise, unless I need to set up a new speaker or move some equipment around and reset a room, what do you need the app for??
 
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I am eyeing Beolab 90 as it seems to be the most "bang for my buck". But purchasing it for $150,000 still makes me wonder if my rich friends will approve or not. What if they all purchase it for $200,000 from some other outlet? They would call me a cheapskate.

Link for those interested
Ironically, as those were only $75k a pair when they were introduced, if they keep doubling in value every four years, they might be a solid investment. 🧐
 
Maybe it's me, but I don't see the logic in spending as much or more on a soundbar system that has less flexibility and worse sound quality than a mid-level AV receiver, 5 speakers, and a sub. From the picture it's pretty unattractive, you aren't saving that much space, and eventually upgrading the components is probably impossible...
 
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