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Damn! I am glad that I sold my P5.
 
The problem is that making something look different for the sake of looking different is nowhere near as important as maintaining basic functionality and eliminating bugs. Modern software development priorities are ass-backwards.

If someone renovated your kitchen would you like it because they put up new wallpaper...but the floors will be back some time Q1 2025.
Hey, if it looks good… who cares about functionality…. Uber eats anyone? 🤔
 
Wow, I can't even control my speakers anymore. WTF.

thats coming in the next update. and to think their customers paid extra, only to be locked in!

its crazy that an -app update- can cripple the use of your speakers or even render them unusable. especially software the end user has no control of and have to rely on someone else to publish, and support the software.

screw sonos. everyone please buy normal speakers.
 
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I can't believe Sonos just said the C word, don't you know that if you say "courage" too many times in relation to tech, Phil Schiller shows up like Pennywise and takes you away foreve- wait... what's that noise? 🤡

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I wish Apple took this prospective attitude when they royally screwed up their Podcast app when they split it out of iTunes. So many things lost -- so much of the UI messed up.
 
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Perfect, textbook example of everything that is wrong with software development today. Why was re-invention necessary? Why do they have to "re-introduce beloved features in the coming months?" What was so important that they had to launch a half baked app right now?

Management metrics and corporate culture at it again. The people actually making the software have no say, the users who have to deal with it have no say (other than to stop using the company's products.) Management tunnel vision.
Exactly the same scenario that happened to all the Bose Soundtouch customers a few years back - replace the old fully functioning app with a new one that had half the features missing. To make things worse Bose totally abandoned the Soundtouch models a year or two later and introduced a new format, totally incompatible with the old one, leaving users with a house full of old devices with no support and no way to integrate with the new models.
Since then I have never bought anything from Bose… :(
 
It’s always sad to watch a company go from being run by engineers to the marketing department.
And a marketing department caused Apple to apologize for the latest iPad Pro commercial.

It was doubly puzzling… as Apple originally hesitated in using the term “artificial intelligence or AI” when talking about Siri and Apple Silicon etc and then released that video showing cherished creative objects being crushed in the name of a device thats spearheading their AI effort

I mean they have people paid sky high renumeration for leadership… and they go and do that 😂
 
What all the critics seem not to consider is that SONOS is a relatively small company that allways will be tight on budget.
The products don't have a premium price that would allow for higher margins.
The best proof is that after three years since the introduction of Apple Silicon Macs, the macOS SONOS app is still Intel only.
The SONOS app for iOS/iPadOS required a refresh. Maybe they released the software too early.
Yes, there are a lot of missing features, but one added feature I don't remember it was available previously.
With a web browser at play.sonos.com, the system can be controlled from anywhere.
Yes, it can now be controlled from anywhere with the web browser but did you notice that the log-in doesn't have MFA? I was unaware this was coming and I'm uncomfortable with something like this with weak security. Just in case this is helpful to others I am running the macOS on a Silicon Mac.
 
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The problem is that making something look different for the sake of looking different is nowhere near as important as maintaining basic functionality and eliminating bugs. Modern software development priorities are ass-backwards.

If someone renovated your kitchen would you like it because they put up new wallpaper...but the floors will be back some time Q1 2025.
Ios7 cough, cough.
 
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Philips Hue redesigned their app a few years back… and for a while it was worse than the one it replaced.

Software quality and decisions haven't been great in recent times… i mean look at all the games that are rushed out.

They just get it out, and patch basic/fundamental features later. This is how it is… in the past a game was released and without patches, they would stand up well. Now, some are borderline unplayable, unless patched.
 
When Phil Schiller described the "courage" to remove the headphone jack, he really meant "this will lead to us selling tons of wireless earphones because we're removing the ability to easily do anything else." I wonder what Sonos is planning on selling tons of due to this "courageous" update...
 
Perfect, textbook example of everything that is wrong with software development today. Why was re-invention necessary? Why do they have to "re-introduce beloved features in the coming months?" What was so important that they had to launch a half baked app right now?

Management metrics and corporate culture at it again. The people actually making the software have no say, the users who have to deal with it have no say (other than to stop using the company's products.) Management tunnel vision.
This has nothing to do with modern software development and everything to do with one company and the people in charge of the software getting it very wrong.
 
So why push the release if they have not had the time to implement basic functions?
VERY EASY ANSWER: "MONEY"

It costs a lot to do both software development and maintain a big app. They needed to retire the old app to eliminate the cost of maintaining it. Doing both costs about double the cost of doing just one.

Every day they waited to replace the old app cost them more money.
 
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COURAGE: the ability to do something that frightens one; bravery.
STUPIDITY: behavior that shows a lack of good sense or judgement.
 
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Taking a move from the Apple playbook I see

But you know, for all the crap that Apple got for removing the headphone jack, and maybe deservedly so, you can't deny the positive impact they had on improving the wireless headphone market. I'm not sure what positive impact Sonos thinks they'll have here.
My speculation..Sonos has plans. The Core app changes addressing their on going challenges with wifi. Apple AirPlay suffers from many of the same challenges Sonos has. Managing all the aspects of sound syncing, levels, stereo, Spacial Audio, Home Theater all variable's that are occurring with today’s apps. One reason Sonos went to two apps S1and S2. The new technology hardware on the horizon including headphones may just need the core structure of the new Sonos app. With the response, a very significant under the hood changes appear necessary.
 
What all the critics seem not to consider is that SONOS is a relatively small company that allways will be tight on budget.
The products don't have a premium price that would allow for higher margins.
The best proof is that after three years since the introduction of Apple Silicon Macs, the macOS SONOS app is still Intel only.
The SONOS app for iOS/iPadOS required a refresh. Maybe they released the software too early.
Yes, there are a lot of missing features, but one added feature I don't remember it was available previously.
With a web browser at play.sonos.com, the system can be controlled from anywhere.

Relative is relative. A public company w/ a 2B market cap could/should do better.
 
Taking a move from the Apple playbook I see

But you know, for all the crap that Apple got for removing the headphone jack, and maybe deservedly so, you can't deny the positive impact they had on improving the wireless headphone market. I'm not sure what positive impact Sonos thinks they'll have here.

They didn't have to remove the headphone jack to release the Airpods etc.
 
We have SONOS at work, it fails many times, I got tired of trying to get that App, old one, to work, if someone says lets have music, I tell them go ahead, I'm not playing with that crap. I have two friends that have them, many times they are complaining. None of those systems sound as good as either I have. This has been over the last 8 years. Neither of my Denon wired has had issues or ever gone down. 😄 Good luck!
 
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