Yeah, like most people are gonna be going to Tokyo or London..
I do both, which is why I bought an 11.6" MBA.
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I do both, which is why I bought an 11.6" MBA.
No, he's claiming that old technology/new technology is a meaningless debate. Apple is using a faster processor and better GPU. What does it matter what year they were designed in ?
What specific instruction do you need that the Core 2 Duo can't execute ? What specific architecture related feature are you missing that is causing software you use to refuse to run ?
If you answer none to both of the above, I have news for you : you're buying into hype.
As usual, Con Apple, Pro anything else.
What exactly are you getting at? My point is quite simple. Performance wise:
VAIO X < MBA < MBP < VAIO Z
I just said that there is no single magical solution for everybody. People need different things and companies tailor to different customers. Most companies provide more options than Apple though. Do you have a problem with that line of thinking?
I am not sure that was the point though. Claiming that MBA is more powerful when Apple in general does not use the latest/most powerful CPUs was kind of pointless. These laptops have different strengths. That's all.
I don't see anywhere in any of my posts claiming such. Throw words in mouths much??
...and here comes Lenovo's entry into the "MacNetbook Air" category...sporting a LEATHER palmrest and a glass trackpad, as well as a magnesium-alloy frame:
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/11/12/lenovo.ideapad.u260.official/
Its rumored to come with either an i3 or i5 processor.
Again, anyone who doesn't realize that Apple has entered the netbook market, and totally changed the rules, is living with the 2+ year old definition of "netbook."
I dunno how you can say the U260 is a response to the MBA as Lenovo has for years been making small consumer laptops(and even longer in the Thinkpad series). The U110 came out around the same time as the 13in MBA(rev A) with the same specs, but in a smaller 11in form factor and a standard external drive. That was you could say replaced with the much cheaper U150, which was upgrade to the U160. The U260 new entry in Lenovo ULV powered U like. Hell they have right now Lenovo has 3 12in notebooks/netboos, 3 11.6in machines, and two 13in machines.
This category isn't new, Apple was in this category with the 12in iBook and PB back in the day. It just now gaining more attention because people want to save cash with out sacrificing much of the performance. What Apple did with the 11.6in Air was just make a machine that stands out look wise vs the competition, and that basically it.
As for the Sony the X was just to prove a point they can make a thin computer. I'd personally take the P over the X as at least with the Vaio P you can fit it in a coat pocket. I will say this, the nice thing about the X is the fact it is made in Japan, which from what I have seen on Sony boards means a better quality than the models made in China, or Asian nations. I can kind of tell the difference between my TT and F my mother uses for work. Note, the Vaio G(currently only sold in Asia), P, TT, X, Z are made in Japan with some BTO models made in America.
My point was quite valid, it doesn't matter how long the Core 2 Duo has been in existence. Too many people here press on that and it really doesn't matter because at the end of the day raw CPU performance is what counts, not what the latest processor is. Since when does something have to be the latest to be better? So is this Atom CPU in the Vaio X newer than the Core 2 Duo in the Air? If that's the case then my point is even more valid, an older processor offering a faster system bus coupled with faster ram makes for better computing. That was also what I saying earlier, you keep trying to make any competition against Apple the winner by glorifying the highest points of the product while ignoring the shortcomings.
Is it me, or the fact that the alternates run Windows, or that I'd have to fidget around a lot to run it as a Hackintosh, does not make them alternate products for me?
It's sad/scary how dependent I am on MacOS, but I really don't want to go back to using Windows..
Also, stop comparing HW. I've yet to see Win7 run this smooth on anything with a 1.4G processor + 2GB RAM.
It's sad/scary how dependent I am on MacOS, but I really don't want to go back to using Windows..
Also, stop comparing HW. I've yet to see Win7 run this smooth on anything with a 1.4G processor + 2GB RAM.
Dependant on OS X ? What pray tell locks you so much into it ? I would never use Windows in a million years, but I'm not locked down to OS X either.
There is not a huge difference between the C2D/Core for ULV processors, eg. SL9600 (2.13 C2D) vs. the high end Core i7-640UM (1.2-2.26).
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-640UM-Notebook-Processor.25705.0.html
The SSD and close OS to hardware integration and 320M graphics will be more useful than having a ULV Core processor + Intel HD graphics + non SSD.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-640UM-Notebook-Processor.25705.0.html
The SSD and close OS to hardware integration and 320M graphics will be more useful than having a ULV Core processor + Intel HD graphics + non SSD.
I think they are referring to the 11.6in MBA in most cases here which has the SU9x00 cpu, which is actually an ULV cpu, not LV.
Speaking of 11in comparisons. CNET compared the 11.6in Timeline X and 11.6in MBA. You can easily tell how biased and lopsided the match up was. These mickey fickers would do anything just to ease the masses and make a quick buck. Shamefully really for a site that claims to know tech. If they really did the winner would have one by a way larger margin. http://reviews.cnet.com/2722-3121_7-940.html?tag=TOCcarouselMain.0
What irritates me is that all the windows laptop makers have just decided to play dead and not innovate at all. They all either play catch up to apple or just spec their machines to be as cheap as possible. Every single 15" win7 laptop at best buy for example all have craptastic 1366x768 screens. Only by walking over to the apple section can you find a decent 15 inch laptop screen in the whole store!
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-2-Duo-SU9400-Notebook-Processor.34477.0.html
Look at Cinebench SU9400 vs. Core i3-330um results which is what the SU9400 would be going against. The only benefits is in multi-threads (which is only ever seen if the application is Hyper Threading aware, if not there's little if any difference).
The most innovative thing I've seen at Best Buy lately was the Toshiba "Spark" kids PC....full rubberized body to make it moisture proof. Like a Toughbook for kids.
I really wish CompUSA and Circuit City hadn't gone out of business. Since BB is now the only game in town, they have just loaded their shelves with crapware for computers.
You know why they have that res because it is cheaper for them to put that crappy res in, specially in the mass market consumer models and the bloody consumers don't even give F, or know that they are getting a sup-par resolution at that size. It not lack of innovation, it is the manufacture wanting to save some bucks on their mass market lines, because of the lack of consumer knowledge. If you look at some of the models that BB carries only online or go to let say HP, Sony, or Lenovos website you will see more options including higher res screen, and in some cases all for the same price as BB. However, BB get the same because of convince and sales people telling them that this okay.
For example. BB sells a Vaio F with an i3 cpu and 1600x900 res, and GT310m gpu, for $1000, while the same $1000 get you the Vaio F with a quad i7 base(i3 model isn't even on their own site and I am told battery life is around the same ballpark) and you may get lucky and also get with the 1900x1080 res screen for that price. Or the other example of the Toshiba R700 series, where BB carries it in a blue and lacks some of the ports business/profession people desire, while on Toshiba's site you can get the R700 in black and with more business friendly features(like a port for the docking station). My point is BB generally carries in store the more mass market machines that are lower priced and easier to sell to the general consumer.
I am not sure why you choose the i3 330um as many of the PC models go up the top line i5, and a few going up to the top line i7.
I think the i3 350um more of a fair comparison? But, either way it is a garbage cpu made to hold the tide until the real nex gen intel cpus come out.
I did a top end comparison between the 2.13 and the i7-640um, someone complained, so I did the opposite comparison between the low end MBA 1.4 and the i3-330um.
Can't seem to please people sometimes.
I did a top end comparison between the 2.13 and the i7-640um, someone complained, so I did the opposite comparison between the low end MBA 1.4 and the i3-330um.
Can't seem to please people sometimes.
I have no problem with you comparing the those two cpu, as it kind of make me feel good that my 1.2ghz SU9300(but for some odd reason CPU-Z says I am working at 1.35ghz and I'm not oc'ed) is just as good, as the newer i3. I was just more interested in the line of thinking of why you choose the based more than anything else. Thank you. I guess maybe the safe bet would be the i5, or will some people find that an unfair comparison also?
A lot of the Intel Core line is very creative marketing - in reality a Core i3-330UM vs. Core i5-430UM for example, is exactly the same core clock speed, but the i5 adds Turbo Boost which is running the CPU at a higher clock speed for short periods, typically on one of the cores that is busy.
Yes its a little bit more speed at times, but its not like going from a Corolla to a Camry. But you think, wow, i5, its like so much better than an i3... well there's marketing for you. There's times there are differences, there's times, there isn't a lot at all.
...and here comes Lenovo's entry into the "MacNetbook Air" category...sporting a LEATHER palmrest and a glass trackpad, as well as a magnesium-alloy frame:
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/11/12/lenovo.ideapad.u260.official/
Its rumored to come with either an i3 or i5 processor.
Again, anyone who doesn't realize that Apple has entered the netbook market, and totally changed the rules, is living with the 2+ year old definition of "netbook."
lol that's awesome. every other company is stepping their game up.
Glad folks are noticing the Bus and Memory speeds as a major factor on how fast the computer really goes. It does make a huge difference. It's why a 2008 White Macbook with a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo processor but with a DDR2 memory assembly gets beaten in CPU-intensive tasks, by a Macbook Pro late 2009 with a 2.26Ghz Core 2 Duo processor and full 1067 Mhz DDR3 architecture, and the bus speeds to match.
Why the MBP can handle my whole orchestra recordings and the Macbook would've been brought to its knees. It has nothing to do with the graphics chip, alright. Truth is, you can throw in an impressive CPU on paper, but if it has a slow bus and ram...that CPU gets wasted. It's like using the CPU as a marketing strategy knowing that the general public often looks at CPU speeds and ignores the Frontside Bus and Memory ones.
Why the MBP can handle my whole orchestra recordings and the Macbook would've been brought to its knees. It has nothing to do with the graphics chip, alright. Truth is, you can throw in an impressive CPU on paper, but if it has a slow bus and ram...that CPU gets wasted. It's like using the CPU as a marketing strategy knowing that the general public often looks at CPU speeds and ignores the Frontside Bus and Memory ones.
Here's another comparison...
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/acer-aspire-timelinex-1830t-68u118.aspx?mode=benchmarks
That's a 1.46-GHz Intel Core i7-680UM and I believe its being compared to the 1.4GHz MBA. If you look, there's not much difference doing day-to-day tasks (PCMark Vantage), if you're doing serious encoding then the processor is limiting, but if you're gaming, the 320M is far better than any Intel HD graphics.
Given the choice, the CPU+GPU option Apple uses is far better than just providing a fast CPU, with a lame GPU. Its all Intel's fault for not letting Nvidia built a chipset for the Intel Core processors that leaves us with these compromised choices.
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/acer-aspire-timelinex-1830t-68u118.aspx?mode=benchmarks
That's a 1.46-GHz Intel Core i7-680UM and I believe its being compared to the 1.4GHz MBA. If you look, there's not much difference doing day-to-day tasks (PCMark Vantage), if you're doing serious encoding then the processor is limiting, but if you're gaming, the 320M is far better than any Intel HD graphics.
Given the choice, the CPU+GPU option Apple uses is far better than just providing a fast CPU, with a lame GPU. Its all Intel's fault for not letting Nvidia built a chipset for the Intel Core processors that leaves us with these compromised choices.
Im sure that was in their pipeline before the MBA was introduced. I looked at what a previous posted said and they had an 11.6in machine so this just seem s a natural progression.