Sony?

[foiden]

You're pretty much right. In this case, at least for gaming, it's an unusual move that Apple chose the direction that's actually the better choice for it. It's a shame the others have to compromise the Nvidia out of their hardware and go with intel graphics. Intel Graphics are basically the anti-gaming cards. They seem to be the sole hardware that practically invalidates any other great hardware in there, for gaming.

On the other hand, it's good Apple has taken a new stance to say DDR3 and 1067 bus speeds or bust. It's made a heck of a difference for some of the multimedia production tasks. A factor that has allowed me to push Logic Professional to a level I couldn't achieve before.

It's also nice to see others at least try to step up the game. As long as the industry gets a shot in the arm, we see progress from all sides. As the competitors get better, they put the pressure on Apple, and the cycle keeps going.

 

[gonnabuyamacbsh]

Im sure that was in their pipeline before the MBA was introduced. I looked at what a previous posted said and they had an 11.6in machine so this just seem s a natural progression.

yeah I wouldn't doubt it but it's funny how they all release in a relatively close time frame together almost as if they're responding with firm A's product X with firm B's product Y. I'm guessing information isn't as secure as it can be and when rumors come out that that firm A is coming out with product X with features b,c,d then firm B decides that it has to make a similar product as well. Sleeping pill is kicking in and I'm just rambling fyi...

 

[lilo777]

What irritates me is that all the windows laptop makers have just decided to play dead and not innovate at all. They all either play catch up to apple or just spec their machines to be as cheap as possible. Every single 15" win7 laptop at best buy for example all have craptastic 1366x768 screens. Only by walking over to the apple section can you find a decent 15 inch laptop screen in the whole store!

Why exactly do you go to BestBuy to see the best PC laptops? You should go to Wal Mart. Here is a list of some latest innovations on PC laptops:
* RGB LED screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* RAID SSD drives (not available on Apple laptops)
* 15" screens with 1920 x 1200 resolution (Alienware Area-51 m15x, introduced 2 years ago, not available on Apple laptops)
* USB 3.0 ports (not available on Apple laptops)
* eSATA ports (not available on Apple laptops)
* quadcore CPUs (not available on Apple laptops)
* touch screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* BluRay drives (not available on Apple laptops)
* 18.4-inch and larger (up to 20") laptop screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* 8" laptop screens (Sony VAIO P) (not available on Apple laptops)
* blade type SSDs (yep, it was not Apple who used them first, it was Sony VAIO X)
* dual screen laptops (not available on Apple laptops)

Now your turn, tell us about latest Apple innovations in laptop space.

 

[Bluemeanie1976]

You can get that res on the 17 inch macbook pro... Not sure why the 15" particularly needs it.

"Supported resolutions: 1920 by 1200 (native),"

The 17" macbook pro have the i7 which I believe is quad core.

 

[CWallace]

The 17" macbook pro have the i7 which I believe is quad core.

It's an i7, but still a dual-core.

 

[iEdd]

Looks almost okay, but Lenovo seem to love ****ing up the keyboard. They have no idea (speaking from my hackintosh lenovo with the same problem) of where to put the right shift key. When touch typing, your finger would land on page down or whatever the unnecessary button of choice is.


@lilo, Apple may not make 18 or 20" laptops, but they make 21.5" and 27" laptops. They call them iMacs, which are just as portable. (As in, equally ridiculous, but the iMac doesn't claim to be portable.)

 

[lilo777]

Looks almost okay, but Lenovo seem to love ****ing up the keyboard. They have no idea (speaking from my hackintosh lenovo with the same problem) of where to put the right shift key. When touch typing, your finger would land on page down or whatever the unnecessary button of choice is.


@lilo, Apple may not make 18 or 20" laptops, but they make 21.5" and 27" laptops. They call them iMacs, which are just as portable. (As in, equally ridiculous, but the iMac doesn't claim to be portable.)

Yeah, even though I personally have no need in all-in-one computers, I think iMacs are actually pretty good for this class. It's an Apple forte.

 

[bloodycape]

You can get that res on the 17 inch macbook pro... Not sure why the 15" particularly needs it.

"Supported resolutions: 1920 by 1200 (native),"

The 17" macbook pro have the i7 which I believe is quad core.

I guess if one needs to run a software like Revit which for the most part requires a min(according to their site) a min of 1,280 x 1,024res screen, but they prefer the 15in form factor vs a larger form factor?

As for 20in laptops I have seen a video review(back in like 2007-2008) of one, and I must say it was bit too large. I guess the only advantage it has over the iMac would be the built in handle to carry it and 2 hour battery life. But at that point I'd rather just get Shuttle pc(if I want more power) or Mac Mini and hook it up to an external generator and use a USB monitor? That seems like a better idea?

 

[alau0115]

Why exactly do you go to BestBuy to see the best PC laptops? You should go to Wal Mart. Here is a list of some latest innovations on PC laptops:
* RGB LED screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* RAID SSD drives (not available on Apple laptops)
* 15" screens with 1920 x 1200 resolution (Alienware Area-51 m15x, introduced 2 years ago, not available on Apple laptops)
* USB 3.0 ports (not available on Apple laptops)
* eSATA ports (not available on Apple laptops)
* quadcore CPUs (not available on Apple laptops)
* touch screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* BluRay drives (not available on Apple laptops)
* 18.4-inch and larger (up to 20") laptop screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* 8" laptop screens (Sony VAIO P) (not available on Apple laptops)
* blade type SSDs (yep, it was not Apple who used them first, it was Sony VAIO X)
* dual screen laptops (not available on Apple laptops)

Now your turn, tell us about latest Apple innovations in laptop space.

In my humble opinion, MBA shines because of the software/hardware integration that makes the MBA more usable than its competitors (particularly the comparison between 11" MBA and the rest of the 10.1" -11" market). Certainly it is not the most powerful ultraportable/"netbook" in the market but I love the trackpad, the gestures and the Mac OS which I don't find it elsewhere.

 

[Fraaaa]

Why exactly do you go to BestBuy to see the best PC laptops? You should go to Wal Mart. Here is a list of some latest innovations on PC laptops:
* RGB LED screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* RAID SSD drives (not available on Apple laptops)
* 15" screens with 1920 x 1200 resolution (Alienware Area-51 m15x, introduced 2 years ago, not available on Apple laptops)
* USB 3.0 ports (not available on Apple laptops)
* eSATA ports (not available on Apple laptops)
* quadcore CPUs (not available on Apple laptops)
* touch screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* BluRay drives (not available on Apple laptops)
* 18.4-inch and larger (up to 20") laptop screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* 8" laptop screens (Sony VAIO P) (not available on Apple laptops)
* blade type SSDs (yep, it was not Apple who used them first, it was Sony VAIO X)
* dual screen laptops (not available on Apple laptops)

Now your turn, tell us about latest Apple innovations in laptop space.

But are any of these feature on the same laptop for the same price of the Mac equivalent?

That is the question.

 

[Appleind]

But are any of these feature on the same laptop for the same price of the Mac equivalent?

That is the question.

+ 1. I think we apple fans go for a good mix of hardware and software. Switched to Mac 10 years back and not looking back. However impressive a PC hardware may be i will never switch back

 

[Fraaaa]

But are any of these feature on the same laptop for the same price of the Mac equivalent?

That is the question.

Ps: some of these features are irrelevant, some other are not ment/available for laptops.

 

[lilo777]

But are any of these feature on the same laptop for the same price of the Mac equivalent?

That is the question.

And why is it relevant? The list was provided as an answer to a person who claimed that PC manufacturers only follow Apple and do not innovate. Besides, the only relevant point is that in PC world "for the same price of the Mac equivalent" you get all the features that MB has and then some.

Ps: some of these features are irrelevant, some other are not ment/available for laptops.

All the features that I mentioned are offered on PC laptops.

 

[arcite]

Why exactly do you go to BestBuy to see the best PC laptops? You should go to Wal Mart. Here is a list of some latest innovations on PC laptops:
* RGB LED screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* RAID SSD drives (not available on Apple laptops)
* 15" screens with 1920 x 1200 resolution (Alienware Area-51 m15x, introduced 2 years ago, not available on Apple laptops)
* USB 3.0 ports (not available on Apple laptops)
* eSATA ports (not available on Apple laptops)
* quadcore CPUs (not available on Apple laptops)
* touch screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* BluRay drives (not available on Apple laptops)
* 18.4-inch and larger (up to 20") laptop screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* 8" laptop screens (Sony VAIO P) (not available on Apple laptops)
* blade type SSDs (yep, it was not Apple who used them first, it was Sony VAIO X)
* dual screen laptops (not available on Apple laptops)

Now your turn, tell us about latest Apple innovations in laptop space.

Are you serious with that list of yours?
That is a list of individual features, none better than the other, and all suited to different tasks. Are we to infer that you are implying that if a laptop came along with ALL of those features that it would be superior to any Macbook pro? You do realize how big a 20inch screen is don't you? If you put all those features into a laptop it would be a....desktop, or an expensive radiator.

Macbooks are not workstation grade laptops, they are a compromise between, power, design, battery life, and usability.

But go ahead, please demonstrate there is a market out there for quadcore, Hi-def RGB 8 inch touchscreen laptops.

 

[lilo777]

Are you serious with that list of yours?
That is a list of individual features, none better than the other, and all suited to different tasks. Are we to infer that you are implying that if a laptop came along with ALL of those features that it would be superior to any Macbook pro? You do realize how big a 20inch screen is don't you? If you put all those features into a laptop it would be a....desktop, or an expensive radiator.

Macbooks are not workstation grade laptops, they are a compromise between, power, design, battery life, and usability.

But go ahead, please demonstrate there is a market out there for quadcore, Hi-def RGB 8 inch touchscreen laptops. .

Unfortunately to those who are incapable of following the discussion I have to repeat that I never claimed that these features are offered on a single laptop. This list of innovative features was offered to counterpoint the following statement:

What irritates me is that all the windows laptop makers have just decided to play dead and not innovate at all. They all either play catch up to apple or just spec their machines to be as cheap as possible. Every single 15" win7 laptop at best buy for example all have craptastic 1366x768 screens. Only by walking over to the apple section can you find a decent 15 inch laptop screen in the whole store!

Do you still think that my point was invalid? BTW, I can add a few more features:

* built-in GPS (not available on Apple laptops)
* built-in 3G wireless (not available on Apple laptops)

I am sorry if mentioning of these features missing in Apple offerings upsets you but that's the truth.

 

[Eclipse278]

seriously, it's just a computer...

 

[neteng101]

This list of innovative features was offered to counterpoint the following statement:

Thing is - features are not innovation. Its not something any of these system builders came up with themselves, that's true innovation when you come up with something new. All they did was put together a bunch of features... but its hardly being innovative.

I do think what Sony and Apple has tried to do with thin and light laptops is innovative... but what features come bundled is not a factor at all. Being innovative is bringing something different that others have yet to do. Has nothing to do with what features are bundled, unless they are something new that someone else hasn't done before. The glass multitouch trackpad in Macs is innovative. Bundling 3G in some laptop isn't.

The bottom line is that except for a few exceptions, most PC manufacturers are just putting parts together, without much thought to ergonomics, overall system performance, and they're just interested in the bottom line and pushing out machines.

 

[elppa]

Why exactly do you go to BestBuy to see the best PC laptops? You should go to Wal Mart. Here is a list of some latest innovations on PC laptops:
* RGB LED screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* RAID SSD drives (not available on Apple laptops)
* 15" screens with 1920 x 1200 resolution (Alienware Area-51 m15x, introduced 2 years ago, not available on Apple laptops)
* USB 3.0 ports (not available on Apple laptops)
* eSATA ports (not available on Apple laptops)
* quadcore CPUs (not available on Apple laptops)
* touch screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* BluRay drives (not available on Apple laptops)
* 18.4-inch and larger (up to 20") laptop screens (not available on Apple laptops)
* 8" laptop screens (Sony VAIO P) (not available on Apple laptops)
* blade type SSDs (yep, it was not Apple who used them first, it was Sony VAIO X)
* dual screen laptops (not available on Apple laptops)

Now your turn, tell us about latest Apple innovations in laptop space.

Apple moved the keyboard to the back to create a palm rest and shifted the pointing device at the front. That was a pretty big step because pretty much every laptop follows this idea now.

Apple does plenty of work to push forward miniaturisation and power management. Off the top of my head in the last decade they have worked on custom shaped battery cells, the mini display port, MagSafe, ambient light sensors, backlit keyboards, Unibody Machining, glass multi-touch trackpads.

Many of those things are refinements, but many of the things you have listed are refinements or slightly better specs rather than innovations.

 

[HLdan]

Are you serious with that list of yours?
That is a list of individual features, none better than the other, and all suited to different tasks. Are we to infer that you are implying that if a laptop came along with ALL of those features that it would be superior to any Macbook pro? You do realize how big a 20inch screen is don't you? If you put all those features into a laptop it would be a....desktop, or an expensive radiator.

Macbooks are not workstation grade laptops, they are a compromise between, power, design, battery life, and usability.

But go ahead, please demonstrate there is a market out there for quadcore, Hi-def RGB 8 inch touchscreen laptops.

Exactly, and there's not a damn thing on that list of nonsense that is innovative. Maybe that person needs to go back to school and study what the word innovation means. RGB LED screens (they are already made), putting them in your computer doesn't make that PC company innovative. Putting a Blu-ray player (that was designed by another company) into a PC notebook is not innovative, besides it's dying technology now. Putting in 15" Screens with 1920X1200 is not innovative if the technology was already existing.
USB 3.0? I didn't know each PC company made their own version? Yeah, they don't, so that's nothing innovative. Raid SSD's? Again, how's that innovative when the technology was already created, Sony just uses it in their computers.
eSATA ports? LOL, every PC company uses them so that makes them innovative. GPS and 3G??? That's laughable, again, existing technologies that are put in PC notebooks doesn't make the PC notebook manufacturer innovative. Anyone who thinks they are innovative is an idiot.

Now with Apple, they are very innovative, because they implement technologies not found on other computers (before they get copied) such as the multi-touch glass trackpads. Every other PC manufacturer with "awesome specs" still has crappy trackpads.
The Unibody enclosure is an amazing innovation for notebook computers and the ambient light sensor which is still very rare on PC notebooks. The Magsafe power connector is an invention of Apple and it's saved me many times from damaging my MBP. That's a company that innovates.

On the part of your post I highlighted, you'll get no argument here.

 

[Steve121178]

i just ordered the macbook air 11 inch. but i was just looking around and seen that sony also has a great 11 inch laptop. the vaio x. it has 10 HOUR BATTERY for an 11 inch laptop and weighs in at 1.6 pounds. .... Now dont get me wrong i would not get it because i dont like windows, but it seems like this laptop doesn't get the recognition it deserves. what do you guys think?

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...0151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644667494

I owned the top spec one (without the clip-on battery). It was a decent machine, let down by the woeful Atom CPU.

Design-wise, it was excellent although the smaller keys took some time to get used to.

 

[KnightWRX]

Now with Apple, they are very innovative, because they implement technologies not found on other computers (before they get copied) such as the multi-touch glass trackpads.

Except Apple just buys those trackpads off some chinese manufacturer and slaps them into their notebooks, just like what you say isn't "innovative" about the PC world.

Sounds to me like you have double standards. The fact is, the only innovation is coming out of China these days, everyone else just takes the stuff and slaps it into a case.

 

[Bluemeanie1976]

They may get them mace by a chinese manufacturer, but as far as I am aware, Apple own the patent to multitouch trackpads.

 

[HLdan]

Except Apple just buys those trackpads off some chinese manufacturer and slaps them into their notebooks, just like what you say isn't "innovative" about the PC world.

Sounds to me like you have double standards. The fact is, the only innovation is coming out of China these days, everyone else just takes the stuff and slaps it into a case.

Can you prove to me that those glass trackpads that Apple buys from some Chinese manufacturer were used on other consumer PC notebook manufacturer's laptops before Apple introduced it? If you can prove this then great, but I don't think you can and as fas as I know, Apple innovated this feature and put it into their notebooks. Of course some chinese manufacturer has to make them for them. Thanks for your input.

 

[KnightWRX]

Can you prove to me that those glass trackpads that Apple buys from some Chinese manufacturer were used on other consumer PC notebook manufacturer's laptops before Apple introduced it? If you can prove this then great, but I don't think you can and as fas as I know, Apple innovated this feature and put it into their notebooks. Of course some chinese manufacturer has to make them for them. Thanks for your input.

So I guess by that token, every feature you dismissed as not innovative on PCs were innovative in the first PC they shipped in ? Someone innovated eSATA, someone innovated with USB3, etc.. etc.. Apple isn't the sole innovator in the industry, quite the contrary.

 

[HLdan]

So I guess by that token, every feature you dismissed as not innovative on PCs were innovative in the first PC they shipped in ? Someone innovated eSATA, someone innovated with USB3, etc.. etc.. Apple isn't the sole innovator in the industry, quite the contrary.

You're purposely not getting the point (why does that surprise me? ). So I guess myself and a few others can deduce that you are trying to dismiss the fact that Apple invented their own type of trackpad into their computers and it's been such a huge success that other PC manufacturers are trying to copy it. Apple didn't see some chinese manufacturer invent the multitouch glass trackpad and decided to put it in their computers, they innovated the feature. You seem to have the same problem as Lilo does with understanding the word Innovation.