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Soooo, Watch vs Moto 360
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So based on this I'm guessing you're getting an iPhone? Just recall you saying you were very happy with your Galaxy S5 and wasn't planning on switching back unless you saw something compelling. Just curious what you saw that made an impact.
I am happy with my S5.
Apple Watch isn't dropping till Q1 2015. My AT&T Next upgrade is April 2015. The timing works well for me. I'm in no rush.
I have an upgrade to spare, but I'm waiting to see how iOS8 on my 5S feels and acts before getting an iPhone 6.
After digesting the features and moving on from the initial clamour, my comments (entirely subjective) on the aWatch are:
Hardware
Non-circular doesn't look as nice but it will likely be easier to use. However, I do think with software refining, the 360 form can be quite usable. I don't intend on this replacing the phone. I see a watch useful for time and notifications plus maybe some dictation. Maps and photos are far better on the phone in my pocket since I must take it.
The twirling dial - hailed before the demo then largely unused. Certainly less so than the tried and tested touch and swipe that is in our muscle memory now. I'm not convinced this is that useful. I almost feel that if the dial is needed, the app is over complex or lacks a simple UI that a smart watch should have.
Lots of customisation and choices are a plus. Can't complain here. And sapphire is a major positive.
Overall I feel the circular style is better and might actually prevent over elaborate and unnecessary software features that are more suited to the phone in your pocket.
Software
There seems to be a catch-all approach with the software. Dare I say it, a bit Samsungy? The emoticons and pulse might be fun for a while but don't really add much. Same for drawing fish.
Likewise, they are over-stating the sports ability. I noted elsewhere that, as a keen cyclist, this will not replace anyone's Edge or SRM any time soon. There is too much data missing, even with a Bluetooth speed and cadence sensor. And don't think it'll last a 4-6 hour long ride, maybe not even a 2-hour tour. And did I mention we don't like extra weight (the iphone in the back pocket).
For other less demanding sports maybe it's adequate for an hour but I would not swap my Forerunner or Edge for this. Additionally, I doubt the battery would last serving GPS and Bluetooth devices with the screen on non-stop.
Maps - screen too small and cumbersome to operate no matter how good this dial is. Takes 2 seconds to get my phone and be gone with such frustrations. These are too small a device to be scrolling lists and zoom/panning.
Photos - see above. Really puzzled why this made it in.
I like the idea of parsed text and suggested responses - could be very useful and a typical quick glance/reply/carry on what I am doing scenario.
Seeing cinema times, etc on such a small screen is not that great. Did they not realise people have been wanting a larger screened iphone for a long time? Why cram this info onto a tiny screen?
Overall, I think the focus on priority functions has been lost a little. I'm sure people will tune their needs over time and we will see a more optimised device.
Ultimately I'm looking for a stylish looking watch with a decent all-day battery life. It can display the time and let me know when I have a call of other notification that needs dealing with (or not). A basic sports/health tracker that simply has a goal and if I made it or not.
The rest? I'm not convinced I need anything else that won't be cumbersome and frustrating on the small display.
Look, tap, carry on. That's the killer smart watch feature - convenience and speed. Speed that beats the few seconds it takes to get my phone out of my pocket.
Would be interested to know what else you guts use, or plan on using your watch for.
Hardware
Non-circular doesn't look as nice but it will likely be easier to use. However, I do think with software refining, the 360 form can be quite usable. I don't intend on this replacing the phone. I see a watch useful for time and notifications plus maybe some dictation. Maps and photos are far better on the phone in my pocket since I must take it.
The twirling dial - hailed before the demo then largely unused. Certainly less so than the tried and tested touch and swipe that is in our muscle memory now. I'm not convinced this is that useful. I almost feel that if the dial is needed, the app is over complex or lacks a simple UI that a smart watch should have.
Lots of customisation and choices are a plus. Can't complain here. And sapphire is a major positive.
Overall I feel the circular style is better and might actually prevent over elaborate and unnecessary software features that are more suited to the phone in your pocket.
Software
There seems to be a catch-all approach with the software. Dare I say it, a bit Samsungy? The emoticons and pulse might be fun for a while but don't really add much. Same for drawing fish.
Likewise, they are over-stating the sports ability. I noted elsewhere that, as a keen cyclist, this will not replace anyone's Edge or SRM any time soon. There is too much data missing, even with a Bluetooth speed and cadence sensor. And don't think it'll last a 4-6 hour long ride, maybe not even a 2-hour tour. And did I mention we don't like extra weight (the iphone in the back pocket).
For other less demanding sports maybe it's adequate for an hour but I would not swap my Forerunner or Edge for this. Additionally, I doubt the battery would last serving GPS and Bluetooth devices with the screen on non-stop.
Maps - screen too small and cumbersome to operate no matter how good this dial is. Takes 2 seconds to get my phone and be gone with such frustrations. These are too small a device to be scrolling lists and zoom/panning.
Photos - see above. Really puzzled why this made it in.
I like the idea of parsed text and suggested responses - could be very useful and a typical quick glance/reply/carry on what I am doing scenario.
Seeing cinema times, etc on such a small screen is not that great. Did they not realise people have been wanting a larger screened iphone for a long time? Why cram this info onto a tiny screen?
Overall, I think the focus on priority functions has been lost a little. I'm sure people will tune their needs over time and we will see a more optimised device.
Ultimately I'm looking for a stylish looking watch with a decent all-day battery life. It can display the time and let me know when I have a call of other notification that needs dealing with (or not). A basic sports/health tracker that simply has a goal and if I made it or not.
The rest? I'm not convinced I need anything else that won't be cumbersome and frustrating on the small display.
Look, tap, carry on. That's the killer smart watch feature - convenience and speed. Speed that beats the few seconds it takes to get my phone out of my pocket.
Would be interested to know what else you guts use, or plan on using your watch for.
Well I never liked the moto 360 One iota. I do like the Apple watch. It looks better and Apple seem to have been able to sell it to me better in the Keynote than any of the Android smart watches I've seen thus far.
Has three different bodies and a lot of bands. One type may look girly but there are so many combos.
Me too.
I'd get the Apple Watch Sport - health/fitness tracking is vital to me. This clearly does it much better than Android Wear options.
That may change in the next 4-6 months, but I think Apple have done a good job.
Could someone explain me why everyone seems to like the 360? It looks like a weirdly thick circle, which is design wise just boring...
I agree it looks ok if you look on it from top, but like this? ugly...
I know this is my personal taste, but I'm wondering why, compared to what others say, my tastes seem to be out off the norm
The
watch at least doesn't look so boring, but I'm worried it wouldn't look so good on the arm as well.. not enough to get me buying one.I'd be sold on a device thinner, even if it would have much less functionality (getting notifications is my priority here)
Apple watch charging?
What were Apple think of? Why do they think wireless charging for something like a watch is an afterthought. I'm just about ok with a phone not having wireless charging but I would have thought the watch would have a simple cradle or pod that just made charging simple.
http://www.tuaw.com/2014/09/09/how-will-you-charge-the-apple-watch-and-what-will-its-battery-li/
What were Apple think of? Why do they think wireless charging for something like a watch is an afterthought. I'm just about ok with a phone not having wireless charging but I would have thought the watch would have a simple cradle or pod that just made charging simple.
http://www.tuaw.com/2014/09/09/how-will-you-charge-the-apple-watch-and-what-will-its-battery-li/
Disagree--short of wireless charging as found on the Moto 360 (though that would likely make the device even thicker), I think Apple's solution is the next best thing. And while the charging stand shown in the picture is only included with the Edition versions, hopefully it will be available to purchase separately if lying your watch on the table is too problematic.
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Ok that charging stand it better. Not quite as good as the cradles/pods but a lot better than I saw yesterday.
It's a bit clumsy, I agree. I like the Moto 360 charger, you just plop it down and it also can stay very dimly lit with a time readout and battery charge. Having to fish around for a cable is still only half a step better than just plugging one in.
A quick tour back to 2013-2014 and Samsung Galaxy Gear /2
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1673992/
"Samsung needs Apple to do the base R&D on the product category."
They're waiting for Apple to show them how it should be done first.
There is a difference between innovation and putting a bunch of technologies together in an ugly package, Sammy!
people simply dont wear watches to be "productive" or anything. its a "fashion statement" which those bulky ugly things clearly are not
This is a crap product ... Plus I hate this style wristband, it's that annoying rubber that makes your wrist smell when it gets wet or sweaty.
People don't want to pay $300+ for a smartphone accessory. And certainly not one that bulky and ugly.
I'm sure once Apple releases their watch, Samsung with then have something to copy and improve their sales.
No one wants to wear a watch that looks like a swatch.... well at least not any adults that I know of...
Of course, Samsung is incapable of quality R&D until Apple shows them how it's done.
nobody wants a smart watch.
Anyone who wears watches these days, is going to wear a real watch. Not some tacky, and plastic like that.
Samsung should have waited until they had a product to copy from Apple.
It's fugly *AND* expensive. Epic Fail!!!
.that's what they get for not waiting for Apple to release theirs first so they could copy all
They should've waited for Apple to show them how it's done
Apple doesn't make and sell crap like this. You'll see this when they release their actually cool and useful product
Now, if Apple makes a watch competitor for the GG, and doesn't simply copy off of Samsung
They should have waited until Apple came out with theirs so Samsung could copy the good version... originality ISN'T their strong suit.
Seems to be the result if Samsung needs to innovate on its own.
it is an ugly pointless device.
But something was right atleast:
"Except when Apple brings theirs out.... then you'll be all over it telling everyone who will listen that it's the next revolutionary product from Apple."
And then the year 2014
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1709769/
The display and ui will still be rubbish.
It needs to look good before it becomes acceptable as a wearable piece of tech. This is not.
It's always laughable that the "Samsung is so cool" trolls regularly attempt to haunt this site. ... That watch is so ugly only the fashion challenged geekiest of the geek would wear it.
Gear 2 Ugly Still
Looks a bit plasticy.
Can't wait for apple to release their iWatch, then for Samsung to change the design of the gear.
Samsung smartwatch? Zzzzzzzz. When was the last time they made anything worthwhile..... who cares.
And something was right again:
just wait until apple releases a watch. suddenly you'll be interested.
And now a photoshow:
Galaxy Gear
http://www.androidguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Galaxy-Gear-008-Set1-Side_Six-631x450.jpg
Galaxy Gear 2 / Neo
http://androidspin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Samsung-galaxy-Gear-2-Gear-Fit-Gear-Neo.png
Sony Smartwatch 2
http://www.promomanila.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/image-53421.jpg
Moto360
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...progressive,q_80,w_636/784097287489399723.jpg
etc...
And then apple watch
http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/64ad7c4b014e1e1c477444c33ee9926b/200726803/yeahP9090002.jpg
Should I copy all the borrow sentences here?
Maybe a one link is enough
http://www.tony-mackenzie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/picard-facepalm.jpg
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1673992/
"Samsung needs Apple to do the base R&D on the product category."
They're waiting for Apple to show them how it should be done first.
There is a difference between innovation and putting a bunch of technologies together in an ugly package, Sammy!
people simply dont wear watches to be "productive" or anything. its a "fashion statement" which those bulky ugly things clearly are not
This is a crap product ... Plus I hate this style wristband, it's that annoying rubber that makes your wrist smell when it gets wet or sweaty.
People don't want to pay $300+ for a smartphone accessory. And certainly not one that bulky and ugly.
I'm sure once Apple releases their watch, Samsung with then have something to copy and improve their sales.
No one wants to wear a watch that looks like a swatch.... well at least not any adults that I know of...
Of course, Samsung is incapable of quality R&D until Apple shows them how it's done.
nobody wants a smart watch.
Anyone who wears watches these days, is going to wear a real watch. Not some tacky, and plastic like that.
Samsung should have waited until they had a product to copy from Apple.
It's fugly *AND* expensive. Epic Fail!!!
.that's what they get for not waiting for Apple to release theirs first so they could copy all
They should've waited for Apple to show them how it's done
Apple doesn't make and sell crap like this. You'll see this when they release their actually cool and useful product
Now, if Apple makes a watch competitor for the GG, and doesn't simply copy off of Samsung
They should have waited until Apple came out with theirs so Samsung could copy the good version... originality ISN'T their strong suit.
Seems to be the result if Samsung needs to innovate on its own.
it is an ugly pointless device.
But something was right atleast:
"Except when Apple brings theirs out.... then you'll be all over it telling everyone who will listen that it's the next revolutionary product from Apple."
And then the year 2014
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1709769/
The display and ui will still be rubbish.
It needs to look good before it becomes acceptable as a wearable piece of tech. This is not.
It's always laughable that the "Samsung is so cool" trolls regularly attempt to haunt this site. ... That watch is so ugly only the fashion challenged geekiest of the geek would wear it.
Gear 2 Ugly Still
Looks a bit plasticy.
Can't wait for apple to release their iWatch, then for Samsung to change the design of the gear.
Samsung smartwatch? Zzzzzzzz. When was the last time they made anything worthwhile..... who cares.
And something was right again:
just wait until apple releases a watch. suddenly you'll be interested.
And now a photoshow:
Galaxy Gear
http://www.androidguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Galaxy-Gear-008-Set1-Side_Six-631x450.jpg
Galaxy Gear 2 / Neo
http://androidspin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Samsung-galaxy-Gear-2-Gear-Fit-Gear-Neo.png
Sony Smartwatch 2
http://www.promomanila.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/image-53421.jpg
Moto360
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...progressive,q_80,w_636/784097287489399723.jpg
etc...
And then apple watch
http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/64ad7c4b014e1e1c477444c33ee9926b/200726803/yeahP9090002.jpg
Should I copy all the borrow sentences here?
Maybe a one link is enough
http://www.tony-mackenzie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/picard-facepalm.jpg
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What exactly do you mean wireless charging? I am guessing you mean universal since the capacitive charging is probably going to be proprietary. Or do you mean the dock that the 360 has?
Funny, my wife said it looked too big and masculine.....then I told her there's a smaller version and it comes in gold/rose gold.
I think the sizes are pretty spot on. I'd prefer circular, but I like the design. The only big gripe I have is the lack of GPS.....I need to know more about it.....like how are those people in the video running with the watches but no iPhones if the device doesn't have GPS?
I think there's more to discover here.....looks far more feature rich than the competition though. The UI is much more evolved and functional.
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Honestly, I'll probably be buying whatever one is the cheapest at this point.....
I really want one day 1, but I know gen 2 will likely bring some big improvements.
I'm guessing the sport will be the cheapest, but I don't know.
Me three. If I do get one, it'll likely be the sport model as well, though I plan on wearing it all the time and the bright colored bands wouldn't alway fit with my attire--would probably stay simple and boring and go slate watch/black band.
I'm curious though--is the choice to use ion glass (or whatever it's called) just a cost savings measure vs. the sapphire being used for the watch faces on the other two models? Isn't sapphire more durable? If so, I think I'd spend a bit more for the standard version with a nice metal band and just pick up a sport band to use when active as swapping bands is supposed to be very quick and easy.
I'm right there with you.
My initial thought was to do what you allude to - buy the shiny stainless steel watch with a couple of bands, for work and play.
But I'll likely wait to do so until the 2nd generation comes out. My guess is we'll see a pretty big jump there (and it could potentially be released in October of 2015 so quick upgrade timeline).
I'll probably stick with the sport and a black band to start with.
Wait, are you saying that 2 of the models use sapphire, but the Sport doesn't?
Didn't realise that if true.
Yours might be the first comment I've seen since the Keynote yesterday stating it was too small. Every other criticism I've seen was that it was too big. Just further proof that we all have different tastes and none of these manufacturers will be able to please everybody. I do think Apple is off to a good start though by at least offering a pretty substantial amount of choice in size, materials, and bands.
Yes, the Sport uses a different material. Apple calls it Ion-X glass.
Update: So a quick cursory search about Ion-X glass shows that 'ion strengthening is the process that's used to create Gorilla Glass. It's still the same glass, but they're giving it a more generic name to distance themselves from Corning that makes Gorilla Glass. Supposedly.' (I'm quoting the info provided on a post in another Mac forum).
So basically, it's Gorilla Glass. Advantage is fairly well documented, that sapphire is more scratch resistant but also more brittle and therefore more susceptible to hard impacts or drops.
If all this is true, think I'll stick with the standard Apple Watch that uses sapphire as my biggest problem with my watches is scratches on the watch face--assuming the cost increase isn't prohibitive.
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