Sooooo iOS 8 anyone?

[gotluck]

There are ROM's that go all white but they don't focus on usability personally for me, iOS 7 dos it right. again ymmv.

except you arent talking about 'doing' anything , or usability
this is aesthetics

 

[Vegastouch]

There are ROM's that go all white but they don't focus on usability personally for me, iOS 7 dos it right. again ymmv.

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I like the way swiping immediately takes me to GN. I'm very picky I guess. I actually need to control this pickyness.

Some people are picky. I didnt even notice the toggle color changes and in fact i think it is the same as when i had my GS3 but dont really care. Im not going to see those toggles everyday unless i turn something or or off so it means nothing to me. It doesnt have anything to do with how everything else is working.

 

[TechGod]

except you arent talking about 'doing' anything , or usability
this is aesthetics

Actually aesthetics do play a part in usability. For example if the volume slider is all white when you use it in quick settings and you are over a white themed app then usability is hindered.

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Some people are picky. I didnt even notice the toggle color changes and in fact i think it is the same as when i had my GS3 but dont really care. Im not going to see those toggles everyday unless i turn something or or off so it means nothing to me. It doesnt have anything to do with how everything else is working.

I have issues lol.

 

[gotluck]

Actually aesthetics do play a part in usability. For example if the volume slider is all white when you use it in quick settings and you are over a white themed app then usability is hindered.

I suppose, though maybe that's why they left it holo blue so the chances of that happening are minimal.

 

[TechGod]

I suppose, though maybe that's why they left it holo blue so the chances of that happening are minimal.

The could have found a way around it.

 

[gotluck]

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[TechGod]

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[gotluck]

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Heh, what I wrote was no good for discussion

Thanks for humoring me with specifics, it's far more interesting than the generic comments many posters make.

 

[pdqgp]

Dear lord those are god awful. Yes I suppose everyone does have a preference but it seems like the general consensus is that at least that android look isn't pleasing to look at.

Meh...to each their own. Here's page 1, my main home screen. Background is active.

 

[TechGod]

UOTE=gotluck;19215877]Heh, what I wrote was no good for discussion

Thanks for humoring me with specifics, it's far more interesting than the generic comments many posters make.[/QUOTE]

Thanks although I wouldn't be your average poster. I'm picky as hell. And I know exactly what I have issues with.

 

[sumsingwong]

I came in here to read up on iOS 8. Looks like it's turned into an Android help thread.

 

[Vegastouch]

I came in here to read up on iOS 8. Looks like it's turned into an Android help thread.

Id actually like to learn more too and for me , going to youtube where im sure sombody has a demo is the best.


EDIT**

Here is one i watched that shows just hidden features that wasnt talked about during their presentation. It was interesting though noting real big. I was surprised that you never had an option use the desktop version when going to websites like you can on Android. Well now you do. The quick reply has more than just banners. I like the other option shown here with the popup window better.

Anyways its got some interesting things if you havent seen it and at the end it gives you a link to go and get iOS 8 Beta if you dont have it already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xfvYAWzS54

 

[spinedoc77]

except you arent talking about 'doing' anything , or usability
this is aesthetics

No there is an element of usability. iOS7 is awful in usability because of their white theme. Many of the elements are off white on top of white, and can be hard to see. While I like iOS a lot on phones, the white scheme was just awful and I think they did a MUCH better job in iOS6 and before.

 

[Oohara]

No there is an element of usability. iOS7 is awful in usability because of their white theme. Many of the elements are off white on top of white, and can be hard to see. While I like iOS a lot on phones, the white scheme was just awful and I think they did a MUCH better job in iOS6 and before.

This is true, and those buttons consisting of text only can be very hard to see on any background. I finally realized I could set the text to be bold and activate the "show button shapes" option, and the phone immediately felt much smoother to use. The catch though - those grey button shapes look pretty bad, like some kind of placeholder really... I'm really hoping they manage some improvement in this area with iOS 8.

 

[spinedoc77]

This is true, and those buttons consisting of text only can be very hard to see on any background. I finally realized I could set the text to be bold and activate the "show button shapes" option, and the phone immediately felt much smoother to use. The catch though - those grey button shapes look pretty bad, like some kind of placeholder really... I'm really hoping they manage some improvement in this area with iOS 8.

Yep, they also made many buttons tiny and very hard to use. for example some of the buttons on the dialer used to be large square ones, easily pressed. The new ones are tiny little round ones which are hard to see and press.

iOS7 was definitely a BAD direction for aesthetics and usability IMO, I'm just hoping some of these decisions get reversed with iOS8. I'll take skeumorphism ANY day of the week over iOS7, sigh all that wasted dev time and effort.

 

[Dmaynard83]

Sooooo iOS 8 anyone?

Yep, they also made many buttons tiny and very hard to use. for example some of the buttons on the dialer used to be large square ones, easily pressed. The new ones are tiny little round ones which are hard to see and press.



iOS7 was definitely a BAD direction for aesthetics and usability IMO, I'm just hoping some of these decisions get reversed with iOS8. I'll take skeumorphism ANY day of the week over iOS7, sigh all that wasted dev time and effort.

I disagree. I don't know what white on white you're talking about. iOS 7 can definitely improve in many ways but aesthetics isn't one of them.

 

[gotluck]

I disagree. I don't know what white on white you're talking about. iOS 7 can definitely improve in many ways but aesthetics isn't one of them.

Im of the opinion that people cannot speak of aesthetics in absolutes. Aesthetics are subjective. I agree with spinedoc, there are instances where it is difficult to tell if something is a button or simply text. Yes once you learn it there are no problems, but that's how I feel about android too. You can't just say something is ugly as if it is a fact, within reason.

 

[SpoonCody]

Honestly, it took me some time to adjust to iOS 7's color scheme. I was very against it at first. Then it grows on you, but only because you have no choice but to accept it.

It seems even Apple might start giving people some custom color/theme options: Apple could be laying the groundwork for custom UI themes in iOS 8

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2014/06/10/ios-8-custom-themes/


Maybe folks will appreciate color/theme customization after Apple adds it to iOS. Will the UI still be uniformly consistent throughout with third party apps? Will the iOS folks here criticize this as much as they do Android if it comes to that?

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Im of the opinion that people cannot speak of aesthetics in absolutes. Aesthetics are subjective. I agree with spinedoc, there are instances where it is difficult to tell if something is a button or simply text. Yes once you learn it there are no problems, but that's how I feel about android too. You can't just say something is ugly as if it is a fact, within reason.

Yeah... in my opinion, this whole lack of uniformity in the Android UI is overblown. Especially when you consider that the ability to customize really makes your device a unique and better experience.

Very much like many many talking points against Android heard by the types of iOS fans you might call "fanboys". Much like touch response (which, btw, the HTC One M8 and Note 3 beat the iPhone in) or like smooth UI (hello Jelly Bean) or the lack of apps in the Play store, etc.

Can Android's UI get more uniform? Sure. But is it as detrimental to the experience as it's made out to sound like here? It sure shouldn't be. Just more overblown FUD in my opinion.

 

[spinedoc77]

Honestly, it took me some time to adjust to iOS 7's color scheme. I was very against it at first. Then it grows on you, but only because you have no choice but to accept it.

It seems even Apple might start giving people some custom color/theme options: Apple could be laying the groundwork for custom UI themes in iOS 8

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2014/06/10/ios-8-custom-themes/


Maybe folks will appreciate color/theme customization after Apple adds it to iOS. Will the UI still be uniformly consistent throughout with third party apps? Will the iOS folks here criticize this as much as they do Android if it comes to that?

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Yeah... in my opinion, this whole lack of uniformity in the Android UI is overblown. Especially when you consider that the ability to customize really makes your device a unique and better experience.

Very much like many many talking points against Android heard by the types of iOS fans you might call "fanboys". Much like touch response (which, btw, the HTC One M8 and Note 3 beat the iPhone in) or like smooth UI (hello Jelly Bean) or the lack of apps in the Play store, etc.

Can Android's UI get more uniform? Sure. But is it as detrimental to the experience as it's made out to sound like here? It sure shouldn't be. Just more overblown FUD in my opinion.

If apple allows custom theme options that would be a major battle won in the war. I can't see much that Android has left except maybe widgets and more hardware variety, and possibly price in some cases. People like to talk crap about Cook post Jobs, but I'm kind of impressed with what he's doing lately. He seems like he's actually listening to users. I think in a certain sense when the market was new and fresh Apple didn't care, they put out quality hardware but the software was on their own terms. These days to be competetive you really have to tailor your product to your customer base.

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Honestly, it took me some time to adjust to iOS 7's color scheme. I was very against it at first. Then it grows on you, but only because you have no choice but to accept it.

It seems even Apple might start giving people some custom color/theme options: Apple could be laying the groundwork for custom UI themes in iOS 8

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2014/06/10/ios-8-custom-themes/


Maybe folks will appreciate color/theme customization after Apple adds it to iOS. Will the UI still be uniformly consistent throughout with third party apps? Will the iOS folks here criticize this as much as they do Android if it comes to that?

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Yeah... in my opinion, this whole lack of uniformity in the Android UI is overblown. Especially when you consider that the ability to customize really makes your device a unique and better experience.

Very much like many many talking points against Android heard by the types of iOS fans you might call "fanboys". Much like touch response (which, btw, the HTC One M8 and Note 3 beat the iPhone in) or like smooth UI (hello Jelly Bean) or the lack of apps in the Play store, etc.

Can Android's UI get more uniform? Sure. But is it as detrimental to the experience as it's made out to sound like here? It sure shouldn't be. Just more overblown FUD in my opinion.

Meh, you get used to and bored of customization after a while. When the iphone first came out I spent hours and hours with a jailbroken one making custom themes, I made the slider from a picture of me on my motorcycle, had all custom icons, etc etc. These days I just could care less and usually just use the phone stock. On my Note 3 I do have Nova Launcher, but the extent of my customization is to make the icons smaller, have more than one dock, and customize widget appearance.

I don't deny that making Android more uniform isn't all it's cracked up to be, but at the same time it's customization appeal isn't all it's cracked up to be either. At this point I'd rather have a uniform polished OS, have all the bugs taken out so I can use Android the same way I use iOS.

Oh and no way I'd say the Note 3 is faster than the 5s. As much of a power house that it is, it still lags a bit here and there. It runs better on Nova, but when something stock like the dialer comes up, there comes the lag.

 

[SpoonCody]

If apple allows custom theme options that would be a major battle won in the war. I can't see much that Android has left except maybe widgets and more hardware variety, and possibly price in some cases. People like to talk crap about Cook post Jobs, but I'm kind of impressed with what he's doing lately. He seems like he's actually listening to users. I think in a certain sense when the market was new and fresh Apple didn't care, they put out quality hardware but the software was on their own terms. These days to be competetive you really have to tailor your product to your customer base.

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Meh, you get used to and bored of customization after a while. When the iphone first came out I spent hours and hours with a jailbroken one making custom themes, I made the slider from a picture of me on my motorcycle, had all custom icons, etc etc. These days I just could care less and usually just use the phone stock. On my Note 3 I do have Nova Launcher, but the extent of my customization is to make the icons smaller, have more than one dock, and customize widget appearance.

I don't deny that making Android more uniform isn't all it's cracked up to be, but at the same time it's customization appeal isn't all it's cracked up to be either. At this point I'd rather have a uniform polished OS, have all the bugs taken out so I can use Android the same way I use iOS.

Oh and no way I'd say the Note 3 is faster than the 5s. As much of a power house that it is, it still lags a bit here and there. It runs better on Nova, but when something stock like the dialer comes up, there comes the lag.

Reasonable response.

I think customization, however, is more than skin deep. In other words, it's not just about themes or color or look or uniformity. Customization is as much about functionality as well. I've made my Moto X cater to behave and act exactly as I want it to. In nearly every way, it conforms to me (versus when I pick up my 5C, I feel like I have no choice but to conform to iOS). It makes for a unique and, frankly, much easier experience.

I agree about Tim Cook. As much as I respect Jobs, I like the way Cook's running the company. In an interview he did, Cook said that one of the most important things he learned from his mentor and friend, Steve Jobs, was to not be Steve Jobs.

 

[gotluck]

It is rather shocking how much Apple has appeared to have opened up.

I wonder if the forsaken 'enable apps from third party sources' option may end up in Apple's devices someday.

Nah, that's a pipedream

For me, I still want a jailbreak if I'm going to be on iOS regardless of iOS 8's progression. And waiting for one for iOS 8 will still suck.

I can't tell if theyve added the ability to add attachments in replies without using continuity from a mac. I would really like this.. Just copy the tweak 'anyattach' apple, please!

http://cydia.saurik.com/package/org.thebigboss.anyattach/
the dropbox support, particularly, is fantastic!

 

[spinedoc77]

Reasonable response.

I think customization, however, is more than skin deep. In other words, it's not just about themes or color or look or uniformity. Customization is as much about functionality as well. I've made my Moto X cater to behave and act exactly as I want it to. In nearly every way, it conforms to me (versus when I pick up my 5C, I feel like I have no choice but to conform to iOS). It makes for a unique and, frankly, much easier experience.

I agree about Tim Cook. As much as I respect Jobs, I like the way Cook's running the company. In an interview he did, Cook said that one of the most important things he learned from his mentor and friend, Steve Jobs, was to not be Steve Jobs.

I think the Moto X is one of those exceptions. Motorola just did such an incredible job with that phone, especially the software/UI. Why that wasn't the Nexus 5 I will never understand. Why Google sold them I will also never understand, they seemed like the only OEM to understand the power of the UI/software.

About that cook quote, I never heard that, that's priceless and awesome. Makes me respect Cook that much more.

 

[Vegastouch]

I think the Moto X is one of those exceptions. Motorola just did such an incredible job with that phone, especially the software/UI. Why that wasn't the Nexus 5 I will never understand. Why Google sold them I will also never understand, they seemed like the only OEM to understand the power of the UI/software.

About that cook quote, I never heard that, that's priceless and awesome. Makes me respect Cook that much more.

I think Google just wanted their patents and they kept them.

 

[Dmaynard83]

If apple allows custom theme options that would be a major battle won in the war. I can't see much that Android has left except maybe widgets and more hardware variety, and possibly price in some cases. People like to talk crap about Cook post Jobs, but I'm kind of impressed with what he's doing lately. He seems like he's actually listening to users. I think in a certain sense when the market was new and fresh Apple didn't care, they put out quality hardware but the software was on their own terms. These days to be competetive you really have to tailor your product to your customer base.

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Meh, you get used to and bored of customization after a while. When the iphone first came out I spent hours and hours with a jailbroken one making custom themes, I made the slider from a picture of me on my motorcycle, had all custom icons, etc etc. These days I just could care less and usually just use the phone stock. On my Note 3 I do have Nova Launcher, but the extent of my customization is to make the icons smaller, have more than one dock, and customize widget appearance.



I don't deny that making Android more uniform isn't all it's cracked up to be, but at the same time it's customization appeal isn't all it's cracked up to be either. At this point I'd rather have a uniform polished OS, have all the bugs taken out so I can use Android the same way I use iOS.



Oh and no way I'd say the Note 3 is faster than the 5s. As much of a power house that it is, it still lags a bit here and there. It runs better on Nova, but when something stock like the dialer comes up, there comes the lag.

I agree. I'm kind of tempted to get a moto x for the always listening feature. But I just don't find the look of android pleasing to look at. Also I find general smoothness better on iOS.

Also simple features like the fast forward using double tap on the headphone button and rewind. And you can even rewind by the second using a triple tap. I dunno I listen to a lot of audiobooks and find this simple feature insanely useful and there was nothing like this on the s4 or note 2.

 

[TechGod]

It is rather shocking how much Apple has appeared to have opened up.

I wonder if the forsaken 'enable apps from third party sources' option may end up in Apple's devices someday.

Nah, that's a pipedream

For me, I still want a jailbreak if I'm going to be on iOS regardless of iOS 8's progression. And waiting for one for iOS 8 will still suck.

I can't tell if theyve added the ability to add attachments in replies without using continuity from a mac. I would really like this.. Just copy the tweak 'anyattach' apple, please!

http://cydia.saurik.com/package/org.thebigboss.anyattach/
the dropbox support, particularly, is fantastic!

I think the Moto X is one of those exceptions. Motorola just did such an incredible job with that phone, especially the software/UI. Why that wasn't the Nexus 5 I will never understand. Why Google sold them I will also never understand, they seemed like the only OEM to understand the power of the UI/software.

About that cook quote, I never heard that, that's priceless and awesome. Makes me respect Cook that much more.

Cook AND the removal of Forstall possibly. People mentioned he was a control freak? Probably why iOS lagged behind in features.