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Thought I read that in your post earlier this morning - looks like I was wrong.

Oh well. I count three steps (on my 5S, wake/unlock is one step, swipe down is second, any scrolling is three).

Like I said - really count on that for my cardio. I like all that extra work - gets me ready for my day and I can exercise wherever I am.

Let's face it, I hate Android. I'm all about iOS and think its the best OS ever. Everything else pales in comparison.

It's upsetting when people call you out on your "fair and balance" discussions, isn't it?

And you wonder why people call you the names they do and/or put you on ignore.
 
Sooooo iOS 8 anyone?

s4 and note2 are both not stock devices??

aesthetics are always subjective too

personally im fine with both OS' aesthetically, i dont get what the big deal is.

I would rather android focused on performance and optimization


Yea eventually I resorted to ROMs to get the nexus experience and still ended up frustrated.

If I were to go android I'd definitely go for the moto x or nexus 5. But still both aren't as pleasing to look at as ios is.


I doubt most will disagree. Already had one disagree with in here. Two counting me. I'm not using mine stock at all and I have how I like it. You can't really do that unless your jail broken.


Yes this forum/thread reflects how the majority of users feel. Especially since we are in iphone alternatives.
 
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Yea eventually I resorted to ROMs to get the nexus experience and still ended up frustrated.

If I were to go android I'd definitely go for the moto x or nexus 5. But still both aren't as pleasing to look at as ios is.

Well apple has always been form over function :p

My aesthetic needs are not likely much.
 
You know what I hope Apple allows for in iOS 8? Software updates over data. I can't remember the last update, but are updates still "WiFi" only?

I ask because I recently got 4.4.3 on my Moto X and found it nice that I could update via data or WiFi as I choose. Didn't have to wait to get home or something.
 
You know what I hope Apple allows for in iOS 8? Software updates over data. I can't remember the last update, but are updates still "WiFi" only?



I ask because I recently got 4.4.3 on my Moto X and found it nice that I could update via data or WiFi as I choose.


Agreed. There should be a prompt if you want to update for those of us with unlimited data.
 
I dont need to chill out. Im not upset in the least.

Problem here I have with is that you fail to realize that chsnging the icon pack might only fix problems with the home screens but certain icon packs dont suppirt certain apps, you can't change the icons in the multitasking or the settings, changing the icon doesn't mean changing the look of the app either. Applying bandage to a wound.


But that said I like the look of KitKat.

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So am I finally able to be understood?

No. He'll find something else to argue about. He is very much biased towards Android and you can see it in all his posts.
 
Problem here I have with is that you fail to realize that chsnging the icon pack might only fix problems with the home screens but certain icon packs dont suppirt certain apps, you can't change the icons in the multitasking or the settings, changing the icon doesn't mean changing the look of the app either. Applying bandage to a wound.


But that said I like the look of KitKat.

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No. He'll find something else to argue about. He is very much biased towards Android and you can see it in all his posts.

Android seems like a mish mash of things and while they are useful (widgets are awesome) they look like crap because the themes, color schemes, fonts, even titlebar size and padding is all over the place. Google really needs to tighten this up just to give it a more uniform appearance. But I don't have much faith in Google, look at the stock UI, half of it is in black holo then the next screen is eye blindingly white.
 
Android seems like a mish mash of things and while they are useful (widgets are awesome) they look like crap because the themes, color schemes, fonts, even titlebar size and padding is all over the place. Google really needs to tighten this up just to give it a more uniform appearance. But I don't have much faith in Google, look at the stock UI, half of it is in black holo then the next screen is eye blindingly white.

Agreed on holo and white card theme. It'd be nice if Google finally decided one way or another. I personally like the Google Now look and hope they go all out that way.

Apparently there's supposed to be a big icon update too: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/14/rumor-googles-android-app-icons-to-get-a-moonshine-makeover/

Hopefully they're saving this for 5.0.
 
Problem here I have with is that you fail to realize that chsnging the icon pack might only fix problems with the home screens but certain icon packs dont suppirt certain apps, you can't change the icons in the multitasking or the settings, changing the icon doesn't mean changing the look of the app either. Applying bandage to a wound.


But that said I like the look of KitKat.

I wasnt just talking about the icons. I was talking about everything. How you can put any kind of clock you want with a widget, how you can have a Homescreen that is empty with a few icons if you want while yes, changing them if you want.
And no, on some it doesnt change them all but many times they do. You can change a bunch of things from icons, homescreens to dialers, calenders and more and thats what i was talking about.

The stock UI can be better for sure, but so can iPhones...it isnt some great looking UI either and i cant say iOS is an upgrade to iOS 6. Looks kinda kidish if you ask me.
I dont know what iOS 8 looks like but hopefully the finished product will look better than iOS 7.
 
I wasnt just talking about the icons. I was talking about everything. How you can put any kind of clock you want with a widget, how you can have a Homescreen that is empty with a few icons if you want while yes, changing them if you want.
And no, on some it doesnt change them all but many times they do. You can change a bunch of things from icons, homescreens to dialers, calenders and more and thats what i was talking about.

The stock UI can be better for sure, but so can iPhones...it isnt some great looking UI either and i cant say iOS is an upgrade to iOS 6. Looks kinda kidish if you ask me.
I dont know what iOS 8 looks like but hopefully the finished product will look better than iOS 7.

There's always room for improvement - with all OSes.

iOS 8 looks the same as iOS 7 for the most part. They didn't do much to the icons or UI design.

I was hoping for the same dark mode we got in Yosemite - betcha it comes in iOS 9.
 
Agreed on holo and white card theme. It'd be nice if Google finally decided one way or another. I personally like the Google Now look and hope they go all out that way.

Apparently there's supposed to be a big icon update too: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/14/rumor-googles-android-app-icons-to-get-a-moonshine-makeover/

Hopefully they're saving this for 5.0.

Hmm, seems like a huge waste of dev time and effort IMO. We don't need new icons. I think the 2 things I mentioned would go a LONG way to making Android look better. (didn't they just change icons with kitkat?)

1) revamp the entire OS to match, have both a black and a white theme that the user can select. This would be original and trounce Apple because iOS is stuck with that blinding white on off white theme with no option for a dark theme. Android just needs to be consistent, dark with dark, light with light.

2) Come up with some sort of requirement and guidelines for widgets. Fonts, titlebars, padding, elements, resizability, etc etc. Make it a requirement so EVERY developer would have to follow it. There should be some creativity within the guidelines of course though.
 
Agreed on holo and white card theme. It'd be nice if Google finally decided one way or another. I personally like the Google Now look and hope they go all out that way.

Apparently there's supposed to be a big icon update too: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/14/rumor-googles-android-app-icons-to-get-a-moonshine-makeover/

Hopefully they're saving this for 5.0.

Agreed - I much prefer the card theme to holo. Hope that icon update gives app icons the same general sizing. I prefer pretty much everything about stock Android to most of the skins.
 
Problem here I have with is that you fail to realize that chsnging the icon pack might only fix problems with the home screens but certain icon packs dont suppirt certain apps, you can't change the icons in the multitasking or the settings, changing the icon doesn't mean changing the look of the app either. Applying bandage to a wound.


But that said I like the look of KitKat.

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No. He'll find something else to argue about. He is very much biased towards Android and you can see it in all his posts.

Not really. I like Android better for my phone. I dont have a Android tablet.

I have a Macbook pro that i love but i also love my Windows 8 laptop(Lenovo Yoga 11s) and use it more.....only because it is so much lighter and smaller even compared to the MBP 13". Id also LOVE to have a iMac but i dont at this time.
At some point i might but im also more drawn to the new Lenovo all in one computers with Win 8. Not interested in a iPad.
So to recap....phonewise i like Android much more and i use my phone the most of everything, but i will check out the new iPhones when they come out. It has my interest asome which i cant say for the last three phones.
 
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Hmm, seems like a huge waste of dev time and effort IMO. We don't need new icons. I think the 2 things I mentioned would go a LONG way to making Android look better. (didn't they just change icons with kitkat?)

1) revamp the entire OS to match, have both a black and a white theme that the user can select. This would be original and trounce Apple because iOS is stuck with that blinding white on off white theme with no option for a dark theme. Android just needs to be consistent, dark with dark, light with light.

2) Come up with some sort of requirement and guidelines for widgets. Fonts, titlebars, padding, elements, resizability, etc etc. Make it a requirement so EVERY developer would have to follow it. There should be some creativity within the guidelines of course though.

They don't have to redesign the icons - just provide a set of guidelines which would make the sizing of the icons consistent.

I think Google notices the need for more cohesive design language throughout Android. Should be fun to see......itching more and more to get back into the ecosystem!
 
They don't have to redesign the icons - just provide a set of guidelines which would make the sizing of the icons consistent.

I think Google notices the need for more cohesive design language throughout Android. Should be fun to see......itching more and more to get back into the ecosystem!

Is there really an issue though? I can't remember ever seeing any icons on Android which were sized wrong and looked out of place. There are just so MANY areas which Android is lacking which could use developer support, but instead we get new icons. I know they are working on other stuff, but each Android release is kind of a little bit of a letdown when you see the same errors carry over.
 
Is there really an issue though? I can't remember ever seeing any icons on Android which were sized wrong and looked out of place. There are just so MANY areas which Android is lacking which could use developer support, but instead we get new icons. I know they are working on other stuff, but each Android release is kind of a little bit of a letdown when you see the same errors carry over.

I hated having some icons be square, some being larger than others.....just give a standard template (sizing) for devs to work with. That's all.

I get you can switch the launcher and download an icon pack - but as I said, I really prefer the stock launched in KitKat. Don't see why it would be that difficult and it would make a world of difference IMO.

I agree with what you said though as well. An overall polishing of the UI would be most welcome.
 
Agreed on holo and white card theme. It'd be nice if Google finally decided one way or another. I personally like the Google Now look and hope they go all out that way.

Apparently there's supposed to be a big icon update too: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/14/rumor-googles-android-app-icons-to-get-a-moonshine-makeover/

Hopefully they're saving this for 5.0.

Everybody has their own taste so you will NEVER please everybody. I dont really think those new icons are better. Prefer something with more pop, or just a bit more elegance. These appeal icons to me, but i know it wont appeal to everyone:



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I hated having some icons be square, some being larger than others.....just give a standard template (sizing) for devs to work with. That's all.

I get you can switch the launcher and download an icon pack - but as I said, I really prefer the stock launched in KitKat. Don't see why it would be that difficult and it would make a world of difference IMO.

I agree with what you said though as well. An overall polishing of the UI would be most welcome.

Odd, I'm just not seeing that. Icons all looks uniformly the same size, they have for a while. I actually kind of prefer icons to be different, I used to spend hours and hours on my rooted iphone modifying the icons to be unique. Android icons seem pretty much as uniform as iOS icons.
 
Im pretty shocked that these minor aesthetics bother you guys so much :p

performance and functionality are king for me

does it bother me that most stock android setting menus are black while most google app setting menus are white? nah, I guess it'd be nice if it was consistent, but I'd rather they work on other things.

I'm curious to know what these deficiencies are that noone seems to specifically cite. Way to much talk in generalities.

I know spinedoc will say google now personal assistant functionality is subpar to Siri and that is fair enough, but what else do you guys have? Too many generalities!

I've never themed or modded aesthetics FWIW and I'm rooted android and JB iOS :p

I don't got time to worry about icons
 
Everybody has their own taste so you will NEVER please everybody. I dont really think those new icons are better. Prefer something with more pop, or just a bit more elegance. These appeal icons to me, but i know it wont appeal to everyone:




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See, those are absolutely hideous lol. It's just user preference though. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but if Android used that as a stock theme I'd shoot myself.

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Im pretty shocked that these minor aesthetics bother you guys so much :p

performance and functionality are king for me

does it bother me that most stock android setting menus are black while most google app setting menus are white? nah, I guess it'd be nice if it was consistent, but I'd rather they work on other things.

I'm curious to know what these deficiencies are that noone seems to specifically cite. Way to much talk in generalities.

I know spinedoc will say google now personal assistant functionality is subpar to Siri and that is fair enough, but what else do you guys have? Too many generalities!

It bothers me when I'm in a dark room trying to do something and all of the sudden the next page is blindingly white, causing me to violently jerk backwards and spill the drink of the 300lb MMA fighter behind me at the bar, which causes him to put me in the hospital. Morale of the story, never have a UI in which half of it is dark, the other half is white.
 
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