Sooooo iOS 8 anyone?

[tbayrgs]

I said they let other phone makers use their OS. Would Apple allow that? Of course not. I said i doubt Google would sue because they are a lot more laid back....and they are. Apple sues over the shape of a phone and a slider.

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I don't necessarily agree with much of jrswizzle's take on things but much like Apple copies Google, will copy his choice of response in these cases...

& *nod*

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I'm not bothered who is copying who so long as the end result is the best phone that I can purchase, I owe none of these large companies anything and TBH they don't give much of a damn about me or anyone, but I will give my money to the company that gives me the best most enjoyable device I can afford, whether that be Mr Apple, Mr Samsung, Mr HG or Mr LG.

My feelings as well--leave it to dave to succinctly state it best. Where were you a few pages back?

 

[Lloydbm41]

This is the first version of iOS I have been excited about since iOS 4 which launched 4 years ago if that says anything. Apple really added some polish and it has even surpassed Android in some ways I think.

I tend to appreciate what all platforms have to offer, and if foxxcon is right and they are making a 4.7 inch iPhone, I may have just found my new phone. Like I said, first time apple has made me excited for something in quite a while.

My sentiments exactly! Except I'm waiting to see what WP's come out around the same time as the iphone6. But a 4.7 inch iPhone with the Android/WP features I've been accustomed to is really appealing. The ability to add a Swype keyboard and 3rd party API integration has been a major point of contention for me. Glad to see Apple loosen its grip on that walled garden mentality.
I can see the holiday quarter being extremely huge for Apple. Possibly double what we saw last year. All I know is they better be cranking out a ton of those phones stat!

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I'm not bothered who is copying who so long as the end result is the best phone that I can purchase, I owe none of these large companies anything and TBH they don't give much of a damn about me or anyone, but I will give my money to the company that gives me the best most enjoyable device I can afford, whether that be Mr Apple, Mr Samsung, Mr HG or Mr LG.

This sums it up for most people I think.
Why would it bother me that the features my phone suddenly has have been available on another previously? It really doesn't lol.

I buy the phone that does the job the best in my opinion and which suits my preferences.

 

[Oohara]

I'm not bothered who is copying who so long as the end result is the best phone that I can purchase, I owe none of these large companies anything and TBH they don't give much of a damn about me or anyone, but I will give my money to the company that gives me the best most enjoyable device I can afford, whether that be Mr Apple, Mr Samsung, Mr HG or Mr LG.

Thank you, I was just about to post the same.

 

[Oohara]

If you have Apple products, no need to even toggle anything.

It just works

But seriously - I wanted to go back to an LTE iPad because setting up the hotspot was too inconvenient. With the continuity features and the fact that my iPad will just "know" my phone is there to connect to is freaking awesome and will likely save me $130+tax.

Ya, of course, if you go all Apple you're good to go with the new system. I need a Windows machine for work though. But, I can't really blame them for trying to entice people into their ecosystem

And in any case I hope that they manage to improve the reliability of the hotspot connection (auto connect or not). So far my Note 2 has outdone any iPhone hotspot I've tried, with faster connection time, better range and more reliable connection.

All in all, I find myself fantasizing more and more about going for an iPhone 6. All my gripes with iOS were relatively small compared to that of having no swipe typing, and since it looks like I'll be getting that... I also might need to get a Mac for audio production work, so....

Damn, almost forgot though. This is assuming the 5.5" iPhone is real. Otherwise I just can't do it, which will make me rather sad honestly.

 

[Savor]

Apple did borrow ideas from others and then sues anyone who infringes their patents just slightly.

But coming from Android, I do like direction iOS is heading to. It still wouldn't convince me to return to iOS anytime soon, but at least Apple is trying harder and is just in another step in the right direction. The chains from iTunes/iCloud/proprietary accessories is just too claustrophobic for me right now. Picking your default keyboard is great though as Apple knows Swype and SwiftKey is very advanced if learned right.

 

[Irishman]

iOS8 doesn't have anything original. Most of it is all about playing catch up to what modern mobile OSes already offer. Can't say I'm impressed.

Weren't you one of those lads claiming that Apple had to catch up to stay relevant??

Apple can't win with some folks!

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i was hoping for more. the biggest change i see is addition of third party keyboard. the app extensibility sounds interesting. hopefully we can add more than just pictures when composing email. though still no real file manager.

T9 dialing. neither windows nor ios have it! why!!!! this is a basic functionality that ALL phones should have.

not sure if i like the widgets being restricted to notification area. notification area should be small bits of information. widgets will take up more space in the area. i can see a lot of scrolling....

What is T9 dialing???

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The last 3 WWDCs have all been features that Apple is copying from Android.

Is it surprising? No, Android has been ahead of iOS in terms of features, usability, and stability for years.

It it disappointing? In one sense,yes. Apple, who is a huge, rich powerhouse with billions of dollars at their whim is holding huge press conferences to show off the latest and greatest.... which ends up barely bringing their offerings in line with that of the market leader. ...and yes, the fact that they are suing every competitor that they can find does say a lot about the mindset in management.

Those of you who profess your dislike of Android and refuse to acknowledge iOS's stagnance in the realm of innovation this many years in have more loyalty than objectivity or intellectual honesty. Try not to take it too personally when others criticize your inability to recognize mediocrity.

At the end of the day, it is good that Apple is making an effort of shoring up iOS's shortcomings. It seems that the wiser voices inside Cupertino are starting to prevail. Implementation of Android's features, soon a larger device, and the purchase of Beats... Apple will never come out and say it (they make snide jokes instead), but they sure are acting like they are afraid that they have lost their cool.

Good.... maybe after they are done playing catch-up they will come out with some new stuff that lights a fire under MS and Google's butts.

You mean like a new programming language? Or a way to vastly cut Opengl ES overhead and speed?

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I am personally glad these companies are continually improving and pushing ahead, they all drive each other which is good for consumers.

Speak truth to power, sir/lady!

 

[Irishman]

True and the one thing going in Apples favor is Google wont sue you. They invite you to use their OS so i doubt they care that Apple is copying anything from it.....unlike Apple sueing if you do that to them.

That is really one big gripe i have about Apple. They have copied for years and sue other companies for doing it. Google and Apple are american companies so im glad both are doing well and i like Samsungs products too but i still hate to see Apple sue them for crap that they themselves do.

Samsungs TVs are awesome and i have two of them and a Vizio. The Samsungs are a lot nicer than the Vizio.

I live in a mixed household. I have an iMac, iphone, ipod touch, 3 ipod nanos, ipad, appletv, but also an HTC One m7, 2 nexus 7s, an asus windows laptop, 1 26" samsung tv in the bedroom, 1 32" Samsung tv in the living room, samsung front load washer/ dryer, samsung otr microwave, LG Dishwasher. I think many people live like we do, getting what they prefer and what does the job they need or want done.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

True and the one thing going in Apples favor is Google wont sue you. They invite you to use their OS so i doubt they care that Apple is copying anything from it.....unlike Apple sueing if you do that to them.

That is really one big gripe i have about Apple. They have copied for years and sue other companies for doing it. Google and Apple are american companies so im glad both are doing well and i like Samsungs products too but i still hate to see Apple sue them for crap that they themselves do.

What ever floats your boat I suppose. Personally I don't care who is suing who because its not how I judge whether I want a product or not. If the product is good and does what I need it to do, I buy it. I don't go through the Financial Times weighing up companies business ethics to see whether or not I should give them my money. As consumers we are equally selfish because we buy what we want for our own gains. You don't get to the top in business unless you are ruthless and Google and Apple have been suing each other for years now. You can't honestly say Apple is worse or vice versa because the criteria for judging it becomes incredibly hypocritical.

If we applied the same logic to everything we bought we wouldn't drink tea/coffee, buy fuel, clothes, or even paper. They all come from industries where exploitation and underhand business has taken place. Get over it and buy what you want because the politics behind everything is murky.

 

[Lloydbm41]

You don't get to the top in business unless you are ruthless and Google and Apple have been suing each other for years now. You can't honestly say Apple is worse or vice versa because the criteria for judging it becomes incredibly hypocritical.

Only one problem with your statement. Google has never initiated a lawsuit against Apple.

 

[Saturn1217]

Very intrigued by iOS 8 and I'll be happy to have it on my iPad Air but it won't sway me from my Nexus 5.

I still like where android is right now better than I like where iOS is but I must admit I like the direction Apple is going better than the direction Android is going.

With the imminent death of the Nexus program combined with this feeling that the only things Google will release at I/O will be things that either don't apply to me (Voice activated anything, chrome OS) or things that I don't want on my phone (Google Now integration, Google+, Hangouts) I have a feeling I will actively dislike what Google comes out with next.

The Nexus 5 running 4.4 is still better for me than an iPhone running iOS 8 but if Google does end up ruining android (not likely but not impossible) at least I know the alternative with not be so bad.

Still wish Apple would find a clever solution to the iPhone physical home button. It is terrible for usability to have so many tasks (going to the home screen, multitasking, Siri) dependent upon different actions of a single physical button on an otherwise touch screen device.

 

[mib1800]

What ever floats your boat I suppose. Personally I don't care who is suing who because its not how I judge whether I want a product or not. If the product is good and does what I need it to do, I buy it. I don't go through the Financial Times weighing up companies business ethics to see whether or not I should give them my money. As consumers we are equally selfish because we buy what we want for our own gains. You don't get to the top in business unless you are ruthless and Google and Apple have been suing each other for years now. You can't honestly say Apple is worse or vice versa because the criteria for judging it becomes incredibly hypocritical.

If we applied the same logic to everything we bought we wouldn't drink tea/coffee, buy fuel, clothes, or even paper. They all come from industries where exploitation and underhand business has taken place. Get over it and buy what you want because the politics behind everything is murky.

Setting aside legal or business aspect, I think many still perceived apple as being the 2-faced hypocritical jerk.

What real is apple is the one that initiated all those ridiculous lawsuits with the ultimate intention to get a ban on its competitors products while at the same time borrow and copy without shame.

If you have unjust sentiment against apple it will definitely affect your desire to buy their products.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Setting aside legal or business aspect, I think many still perceived apple as being the 2-faced hypocritical jerk.

What real is apple is the one that initiated all those ridiculous lawsuits with the ultimate intention to get a ban on its competitors products while at the same time borrow and copy without shame.

If you have unjust sentiment against apple it will definitely affect your desire to buy their products.

As I said I couldn't care less is started what because I buy the product for the product, not the ethics used by the company that make it. I think its more of excuse for most people to be honest.

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Only one problem with your statement. Google has never initiated a lawsuit against Apple.

It doesn't really affect my point though does it?

 

[jamezr]

Setting aside legal or business aspect, I think many still perceived apple as being the 2-faced hypocritical jerk.

What real is apple is the one that initiated all those ridiculous lawsuits with the ultimate intention to get a ban on its competitors products while at the same time borrow and copy without shame.

If you have unjust sentiment against apple it will definitely affect your desire to buy their products.

agree.......thats why you see so much anti Samsung hate here. Apple sues for "look and feel". And as others have pointed out while Apple sues to stop competition.......others just innovate. It is at least great to see IOS catching up to Android and incorporating Android features.

 

[mib1800]

agree.......thats why you see so much anti Samsung hate here. Apple sues for "look and feel". And as others have pointed out while Apple sues to stop competition.......others just innovate. It is at least great to see IOS catching up to Android and incorporating Android features.

Without copying and borrowing features from android, ios will still be stuck in a rut as I have seen very few new features originated by Apple lately.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Only one problem with your statement. Google has never initiated a lawsuit against Apple.

To go back to this Google sued two companies who partner Apple, most notably Rockstar Consortium and they initiated a lawsuit on behalf of Motorola over patents Apple apparently breached back in 2012. Directly or indirectly they have initiated lawsuits so my statement had no problem after all.

I'm not going to go over a topic that has been done to absolute death and I haven't stopped using Google because they've been nasty to someone.

I really don't understand why people bash each company because at the end of the day they are providing us with services we either use or don't. Innovation is a buzz word of late in this industry and unless a phone can pick your kids up from school or answer a call by scanning your armpit, its hailed as not innovating.

 

[norradmcdonalds]

agree.......thats why you see so much anti Samsung hate here. Apple sues for "look and feel". And as others have pointed out while Apple sues to stop competition.......others just innovate. It is at least great to see IOS catching up to Android and incorporating Android features.

Agreed, Apple is a bunch of hypocrites. No innovation since iOS 4, while Samsung and Google are just killing it year after year. iOS 8 isn't even up to par with Android since Android does it all better.

Honestly, WWDC was like free advertising for Android. Hopefully people have their eyes opened now, I think Apple did more harm than good for their brand.

 

[RMXO]

Since we're talking about copying. I found this funny.

There is already an Aussie startup company with the same name as HealthKit.

http://www.slashgear.com/apple-healthkit-targeted-by-same-name-startup-03331938/

https://www.healthkit.com/

The company's co-founder Alison Hardacre spoke to the folks at Wired about the issue, saying, "it is very flattering that they like our name, but I'm a little let down because how hard would it have been to spend five seconds to put HealthKit.com into their browser and find us?"

I hope they sue and give Apple a taste of their own medicine. Nice little payday for them soon maybe in a settlement?

 

[jrswizzle]

Only one problem with your statement. Google has never initiated a lawsuit against Apple.

Is that perhaps because Apple has never infringed upon any patents Google holds? Or perhaps Apple has paid appropriate licensing fees in order to use certain patents?

Everyone is quick to point out that Apple is the evil, lawsuit happy corporation and Google is some white knight that doesn't care....

Truth is - Apple holds a vast array of patents (regardless of how they came by them, Apple holds them) that were granted by the USPO (whether or not some should have been granted is beside the point). Samsung and others have directly infringed on said patents without entering into any kind of licensing agreement. Apple sues. Notice that other companies like HTC are able to work out deals with Apple that allows the HTCs to use said patents.

Google holds plenty of patents in its own right - but Apple has never been sued for infringing. Now we could assume this means Apple hasn't infringed upon any Google patents (the most logical choice if you leave bias out of it). Or like many irrational people here, we could say that Google is some altruistic billion dollar ad corporation that simply chooses not to sue out of the goodness of their hearts, despite infringement by Apple.

Take off the blinders people....Apple simply follows the rules.

Now we could argue whether those rules are right or fair, but that doesn't negate the fact that as currently instituted Apple isn't doing anything wrong - by suing or in the fact that they aren't infringing (on Google's patents - Apple has been sued PLENTY by other companies).

TBH, I don't really think Google holds many patents that coincide with what Apple is trying to do. Again I'll say, in big bold letters all these iOS 8 features people are claiming Apple got from Google/Android were actually taken (copied if you must) from 3rd party apps in the jailbreak community and across other OSes.

I'm fully capable of admitting these aren't Apple's ideas. But this perception that Google invents all is getting ridiculous. It's incredibly ironic that some of you here rail against "apple fanboys" for claiming "Apple colored the sky blue" and yet you're doing the exact same thing.

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Since we're talking about copying. I found this funny.

There is already an Aussie startup company with the same name as HealthKit.

http://www.slashgear.com/apple-healthkit-targeted-by-same-name-startup-03331938/

https://www.healthkit.com/



I hope they sue and give Apple a taste of their own medicine. Nice little payday for them soon maybe in a settlement?

Since Apple has trademarked HealthKit in a number of countries already, my guess is they simply buy this company's name for a hefty sum of money.

 

[jamezr]

Since we're talking about copying. I found this funny.

There is already an Aussie startup company with the same name as HealthKit.

http://www.slashgear.com/apple-healthkit-targeted-by-same-name-startup-03331938/

https://www.healthkit.com/



I hope they sue and give Apple a taste of their own medicine. Nice little payday for them soon maybe in a settlement?

Apple did the same thing to another company called iCloud Communications back 2011.......except that company didn't have the budget to go after apple......
But seriously don't they have people do a little fact checking before naming products?

An Arizona company has sued Apple over its use of the iCloud name, claiming the tech giant's use of it infringes on its trademark.

iCloud Communications, a Phoenix-based voice over IP provider, alleges that the name of Apple's recently announced online storage service copies its name and causes confusion over competing products:



The goods and services with which Apple intends to use the "iCloud" mark are identical to or closely related to the goods and services that have been offered by iCloud Communications under the iCloud Marks since its formation in 2005. However, due to the worldwide media coverage given to and generated by Apple's announcement of its "iCloud" services and the ensuing saturation advertising campaign pursued by Apple, the media and the general public have quickly come to associate the mark "iCloud" with Apple, rather than iCloud Communications.

http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-sued-over-use-of-icloud-name/

 

[jrswizzle]

Apple did the same thing to another company called iCloud Communications back 2011.......except that company didn't have the budget to go after apple......
But seriously don't they have people do a little fact checking before naming products?



http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-sued-over-use-of-icloud-name/

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/0...-ditches-its-own-domain-apple-trademark-suit/

"There was just one twist to iCloud Communications' lawsuit: it never registered "iCloud" as a trademark with the US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). The company that actually owns the iCloud trademark? Apple."

Facts....those gosh darn pesky facts....sorry.

 

[RMXO]

Is that perhaps because Apple has never infringed upon any patents Google holds? Or perhaps Apple has paid appropriate licensing fees in order to use certain patents?

Everyone is quick to point out that Apple is the evil, lawsuit happy corporation and Google is some white knight that doesn't care....

Truth is - Apple holds a vast array of patents (regardless of how they came by them, Apple holds them) that were granted by the USPO (whether or not some should have been granted is beside the point). Samsung and others have directly infringed on said patents without entering into any kind of licensing agreement. Apple sues. Notice that other companies like HTC are able to work out deals with Apple that allows the HTCs to use said patents.

Google holds plenty of patents in its own right - but Apple has never been sued for infringing. Now we could assume this means Apple hasn't infringed upon any Google patents (the most logical choice if you leave bias out of it). Or like many irrational people here, we could say that Google is some altruistic billion dollar ad corporation that simply chooses not to sue out of the goodness of their hearts, despite infringement by Apple.

Take off the blinders people....Apple simply follows the rules.

Now we could argue whether those rules are right or fair, but that doesn't negate the fact that as currently instituted Apple isn't doing anything wrong - by suing or in the fact that they aren't infringing (on Google's patents - Apple has been sued PLENTY by other companies).

TBH, I don't really think Google holds many patents that coincide with what Apple is trying to do. Again I'll say, in big bold letters all these iOS 8 features people are claiming Apple got from Google/Android were actually taken (copied if you must) from 3rd party apps in the jailbreak community and across other OSes.

I'm fully capable of admitting these aren't Apple's ideas. But this perception that Google invents all is getting ridiculous. It's incredibly ironic that some of you here rail against "apple fanboys" for claiming "Apple colored the sky blue" and yet you're doing the exact same thing.

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Since Apple has trademarked HealthKit in a number of countries already, my guess is they simply buy this company's name for a hefty sum of money.

Apple did the same thing to another company called iCloud Communications back 2011.......except that company didn't have the budget to go after apple......
But seriously don't they have people do a little fact checking before naming products?



http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-sued-over-use-of-icloud-name/

Just makes you wonder if they really do any research on names or since they are so rich and powerful, they don't care and figure they can just buy it from anyone.

 

[jamezr]

Just makes you wonder if they really do any research on names or since they are so rich and powerful, they don't care and figure they can just buy it from anyone.

yep...here is the Zdnet article with more examples.......
Seems to be a pattern of behavior....

The goods and services with which Apple intends to use the "iCloud" mark are identical to or closely related to the goods and services that have been offered by iCloud Communications under the iCloud Marks since its formation in 2005. However, due to the worldwide media coverage given to and generated by Apple's announcement of its "iCloud" services and the ensuing saturation advertising campaign pursued by Apple, the media and the general public have quickly come to associate the mark "iCloud" with Apple, rather than iCloud Communications. iCloud Communications claims "Apple has a long and well-known history of knowingly and willfully treading on the trademark rights of others," noting that the Cupertino, Calif., company has been sued by The Beatles over use of the Apple name, by Cisco Systems over use of the iPhone name, and by Terrytown over use of "Might Mouse." The lawsuit, which was filed Thursday in U.S. District Court of Arizona, seeks an injunction against Apple's use of the iCloud name, as well as an unspecified amount of monetary compensation

http://www.zdnet.com/news/icloud-sues-apple-over-name/6246236

 

[ritholtz]

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[jrswizzle]

Just makes you wonder if they really do any research on names or since they are so rich and powerful, they don't care and figure they can just buy it from anyone.

More likely, that company hasn't trademarked "HealthKit"......

Or, Apple has trademarked the name in various countries but not Australia and intends to pay off the startup for the name.

But no, you're probably right. A multi-nation billion dollar company likely doesn't research at all

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I really do not want to get into this thread. If Apple is freely copying from others (third party apps), why litigate when others are copying Apple ideas/concepts . I think, android (google) deserves some credit for providing environment for these third party apps to prosper which eventually apple is copying.

Its about patents. If Apple is infringing on someone's patent, sue them. The system has shown it will work for them.

Plenty of NPE's (patent trolls) sue Apple constantly. In fact they get sued more than any other company by non-practicing entities. Truth is, if the patent doesn't exist by the laws of trademark/IP the entity being "copied" doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Really, its the system thats broken. Apple is vocal about protecting their IP - they patent something and litigate when its infringed upon. The real issue is how patents are awarded.....some of these things shouldn't be patented to one company.....