He’s probably running a Yikes!, which is only PCI due to it being on the Blue and White G3’s platform. Thus Quartz extreme is disabled as is CoreImage.
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Sorbet Leopard - Your Power Mac Unleashed
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He’s probably running a Yikes!, which is only PCI due to it being on the Blue and White G3’s platform. Thus Quartz extreme is disabled as is CoreImage.
@MacPro2006VBox I thought he said it was a Sawtooth though, which has an AGP port in addition to 3 PCI slots? This would render it fully capable of both QE and CI.
Leopard is a very graphically intensive OS, that as has been said here before, runs better on even a low-end CI card than a high-end non-CI card. Although Sorbet Leopard is configured to tax the CPU dramatically less, it raises its dependence on the GPU in a couple key areas. So my concern is that although it will run on an unsupported machine no problem, it might not perform very well because of this, potentially to an even greater degree than vanilla Leopard.
Then again, I suppose there is an argument for testing unsupported machines so that the resulting behavior is at least known prior to release.
Leopard is a very graphically intensive OS, that as has been said here before, runs better on even a low-end CI card than a high-end non-CI card. Although Sorbet Leopard is configured to tax the CPU dramatically less, it raises its dependence on the GPU in a couple key areas. So my concern is that although it will run on an unsupported machine no problem, it might not perform very well because of this, potentially to an even greater degree than vanilla Leopard.
Then again, I suppose there is an argument for testing unsupported machines so that the resulting behavior is at least known prior to release.
Correct, it has an agp slot. I needed a card with dual monitor support and a 9250 was what i had on hand to flash and throw in it. Otherwise I have a PCIe 2ghz DC powermac g5 with a 6600le(though im sure you've that covered already). I did order an agp 6200 off ebay to be used in my sawtooth though.
I wish I had something better than the FX 5200 Ultra for my G5. I’d also need a PCI video card for graphics acceleration for Clouded Leopard (10.6 10a96), as AGP is nonfunctional in terms of acceleration.
I'm well aware. However, it is enabled by default on AGP and PCIe video cards, of which Sawtooth machines are capable of the former, and thus, QE / CI. Hence, my very reasonable question of whether there was another (preferably AGP-based) video card available to use.
And that's why Clouded Leopard is a proof-of-concept, not a rock-solid workhorse compatible with all usages. Granted, I commend the immense persistence, ingenuity, and teamwork of the people working on that project, there's no contest nor competitor there. But the elephant in the room that no one wants to acknowledge is that it's still a buggy and quickly abandoned early alpha of a mostly closed-source OS - with spotty software support to boot. In truth, until its installation and day-to-day use is made as both effortless and seamless as Apple's official releases, no one, outside of tinkerers and software technicians, is going to use it for purposes other than as a passing novelty. Nor have they thus far, it seems.
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Returning back to the topic at hand, @r34per, if you really want to test drive the development builds of Sorbet Leopard in advance, your feedback alone on the performance improvements and UX enhancements would be valuable enough. And I have to admit, it would probably be a good idea to understand exactly what effect Sorbet's heightened dependency on the GPU has on weaker cards ahead of time, if at least in order to go forward with an increased perspective on hardware support, which is always good to have.
So whatever the machine you choose to toss it on, if you're still interested, I can add you in following this premise. Although I'm of course just confirming before I do.
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Sorbet Leopard Development - Feature Showcase #3
Snow Leopard Components
Sorbet Leopard ships with every desktop background included by default in Snow Leopard (and then some). In addition, given that most of the pictures included in retail 10.6.8 are actually smaller in size than those that shipped with 10.5.8, changing between desktop backgrounds should be slightly more responsive than it was in 10.5.8 (another sly move on Apple's part to increase performance in that operation, making it appear as if the OS itself was faster than it actually is).
Sorbet Leopard also ships with the updated user pictures featured in retail 10.6.8, meaning a greater breadth of options, and an even closer set of similarities between the two. Not only that, nearly all fonts shipped with 10.6.8 have replaced the default 10.5.8 fonts, all screensavers have been updated, and Dictionary.app now reflects the same answers and definitions as its equivalent in 10.6.8. All without a hitch.
And as if that wasn't enough, newer, lighter versions of the Dashboard, Expose, Front Row, Spaces, and Time Machine launchers have been pulled directly from 10.6.8 to replace their counterparts in 10.5.8. They are all fully PowerPC-compatible applications, and run flawlessly to boot.
When combined with the default 10.6-esque aesthetic and built-in performance enhancements, these transplants hands down allow the system to more accurately represent an alternate universe scenario where Apple officially released the retail edition of Snow Leopard for the PowerPC architecture instead of canning it before it ever began.
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Mac OS X Sorbet Leopard will be released to the public on October 30, 2021.
Snow Leopard Components
Sorbet Leopard ships with every desktop background included by default in Snow Leopard (and then some). In addition, given that most of the pictures included in retail 10.6.8 are actually smaller in size than those that shipped with 10.5.8, changing between desktop backgrounds should be slightly more responsive than it was in 10.5.8 (another sly move on Apple's part to increase performance in that operation, making it appear as if the OS itself was faster than it actually is).
Sorbet Leopard also ships with the updated user pictures featured in retail 10.6.8, meaning a greater breadth of options, and an even closer set of similarities between the two. Not only that, nearly all fonts shipped with 10.6.8 have replaced the default 10.5.8 fonts, all screensavers have been updated, and Dictionary.app now reflects the same answers and definitions as its equivalent in 10.6.8. All without a hitch.
And as if that wasn't enough, newer, lighter versions of the Dashboard, Expose, Front Row, Spaces, and Time Machine launchers have been pulled directly from 10.6.8 to replace their counterparts in 10.5.8. They are all fully PowerPC-compatible applications, and run flawlessly to boot.
When combined with the default 10.6-esque aesthetic and built-in performance enhancements, these transplants hands down allow the system to more accurately represent an alternate universe scenario where Apple officially released the retail edition of Snow Leopard for the PowerPC architecture instead of canning it before it ever began.
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Mac OS X Sorbet Leopard will be released to the public on October 30, 2021.
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Excellent, and thanks for all your hard work
Be prepared for a heavy download session once released
Cheers
Hugh
10.6 PPC is working. There are problems with compiling some newer stuff for it, but those will be same if not worse in a case of 10.5.
Finder got slight issues, but I hope to dig out PathFinder for PowerPC, and then Finder is redundant.
Nevertheless 10.5.9 is an interesting thing to try, I will install it once available.
Sorbet Leopard Development - Feature Showcase #4
Performance Optimization
Top: Leopard (10.5.8) resource consumption immediately following a fresh boot
Bottom: Sorbet Leopard (10.5.9) resource consumption immediately following a fresh boot
Sorbet Leopard comes with a selection of frivolous and / or redundant background applications and daemons disabled by default, significantly freeing idle system CPU and RAM usage. This allows the OS to better prioritize focusing all hardware resources into the application at hand, whether it be in rendering a modern Web page, drawing high resolution images, playing back HD video, or in calculating 3D graphics alike, without even the slightest sacrifice of stability.
In addition, to increase graphical performance across the board, Apple's implementation of V-Sync has been disabled by default (reducing the preexisting load on the GPU), and QuartzGL is now leveraged by a handful of key system applications in order to offload more processing to the GPU rather than the CPU. All together, these adjustments are combined to make for a nimbler and more responsive environment overall.
Performance Optimization
Top: Leopard (10.5.8) resource consumption immediately following a fresh boot
Bottom: Sorbet Leopard (10.5.9) resource consumption immediately following a fresh boot
Sorbet Leopard comes with a selection of frivolous and / or redundant background applications and daemons disabled by default, significantly freeing idle system CPU and RAM usage. This allows the OS to better prioritize focusing all hardware resources into the application at hand, whether it be in rendering a modern Web page, drawing high resolution images, playing back HD video, or in calculating 3D graphics alike, without even the slightest sacrifice of stability.
In addition, to increase graphical performance across the board, Apple's implementation of V-Sync has been disabled by default (reducing the preexisting load on the GPU), and QuartzGL is now leveraged by a handful of key system applications in order to offload more processing to the GPU rather than the CPU. All together, these adjustments are combined to make for a nimbler and more responsive environment overall.
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No. At present it is vapourware. Evidently, this will change around the end of this month. Regardless, there is no “OS X Leopard 10.5.9”, as Apple never went beyond 10.5.8.
Sorry but I find developers on this forum sniping at each other quite distressing
I am not in any way taking sides, and as a simple user I applaud all efforts made to improve on PPC operating systems.
Cheers
Hugh
I am not in any way taking sides, and as a simple user I applaud all efforts made to improve on PPC operating systems.
Cheers
Hugh
@MysticCow As the image size will need to be able to fit within an 8 GB drive, additional inclusions must be kept to an absolute minimum, unfortunately.
@barracuda156 Incremental development builds of Sorbet Leopard have been made accessible for volunteer beta testers to benchmark, analyze, and provide feedback on for some while at this point. Currently, the project is in its final stages and thus very close to completion, so I would now recommend waiting until release.
@Hughmac At this point, I find these silly online factions over freely-available hobbyist endeavors rather humorous more than anything.
And yes, I'm including my prior critique of SL-PPC together with that assessment too. One can laugh at their own actions, and in doing so, disown the ego which plagues us all.
@barracuda156 Incremental development builds of Sorbet Leopard have been made accessible for volunteer beta testers to benchmark, analyze, and provide feedback on for some while at this point. Currently, the project is in its final stages and thus very close to completion, so I would now recommend waiting until release.
@Hughmac At this point, I find these silly online factions over freely-available hobbyist endeavors rather humorous more than anything.
And yes, I'm including my prior critique of SL-PPC together with that assessment too. One can laugh at their own actions, and in doing so, disown the ego which plagues us all.
