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phonewentwest

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Thanks for the info Weasel! Great article. I'll just stick to my current settings and enjoy the much needed speed.
 

segalas

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ssd upgrade

Hi All,

I have a Late 2013 Macbook Pro with the 512gb ssd PCIe x2 storage. I was curious, if I purchased the new 1Tb ssd PCIe x4 storage, does my laptop have the capability to run the 1tb at the x4 speed? At the very least, would it run backwards compatible to the x2 speed and I would have the benefit of more storage?

Thanks!

-S

EDIT--I found the answer to this question on eBay. Looks like the newer PCIe x4 lane ssd modules are compatible with Late 2013-current Macbook Pros.

Cheers.
 
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Fishrrman

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i4k20c asks above:
[[ does anyone know why in Carbon Copy Clone 3.5.7 it is not giving me the option to create a recovery partition before it clones my hdd? ]]

I see that an earlier version I have offered an "automatic" cloning of the RP (the version is 3.5.4).

In the preferences panel, it says that the recovery partition will be created:
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...at the end of the backup task, saving the archive to /Library/Application Support/com.bombich.ccc.Recovery HD.dmg. CCC can subsequently use that archive to restore the Recovery HD at a later time.
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Perhaps this got changed around a bit in later releases of CCC 3.5.x ...?
 
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Kashmirkid

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SSD Question

I have a mid 2009 15inch Macbook Pro 2.8GHz (Macbook Pro 5,3). I want to upgrade to a SSD and have been looking at the Samsung 512GB SSD 850 Pro Series. Is this the right buy?Most of the forum threads and posts I have found are two or more years old and I want current info.

I know I will not got the SATA III connection speed but I have read that some drives only allow the 1.5 SATA I even though the Macbook Pro 5,3 supports SATA II. The only reason I am choosing the Samsung is because I have only heard great things about their 10yr warranty. I am open to other suggestions though and want to look at some other options as well. I guess I am confused on which drive to buy and if I am making a safe decision. Any info or help would be appreciated.
 

i4k20c

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i4k20c asks above:
[[ does anyone know why in Carbon Copy Clone 3.5.7 it is not giving me the option to create a recovery partition before it clones my hdd? ]]

I see that an earlier version I have offered an "automatic" cloning of the RP (the version is 3.5.4).

In the preferences panel, it says that the recovery partition will be created:
=======
...at the end of the backup task, saving the archive to /Library/Application Support/com.bombich.ccc.Recovery HD.dmg. CCC can subsequently use that archive to restore the Recovery HD at a later time.
=======

Perhaps this got changed around a bit in later releases of CCC 3.5.x ...?

No... the 3.5.x series did it also. It is mentioned in the release notes.

is there a way to check if the recovery was made properlly before installing the hdd physical? i current am connecting the ssd via esata to fw800.
 

Weaselboy

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is there a way to check if the recovery was made properlly before installing the hdd physical? i current am connecting the ssd via esata to fw800.

Just enter the command below in Terminal and it will show all partitions. You should see a 650MB Recovery HD partition.

Code:
diskutil list
 

JTToft

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I have a mid 2009 15inch Macbook Pro 2.8GHz (Macbook Pro 5,3). I want to upgrade to a SSD and have been looking at the Samsung 512GB SSD 850 Pro Series. Is this the right buy?Most of the forum threads and posts I have found are two or more years old and I want current info.

I know I will not got the SATA III connection speed but I have read that some drives only allow the 1.5 SATA I even though the Macbook Pro 5,3 supports SATA II. The only reason I am choosing the Samsung is because I have only heard great things about their 10yr warranty. I am open to other suggestions though and want to look at some other options as well. I guess I am confused on which drive to buy and if I am making a safe decision. Any info or help would be appreciated.

- The 850 Pro is pretty much the best SSD money can buy. The great thing about Samsung SSDs is the fact that every component is developed and manufactured by them, as opposed to other SSD brands that often mix components from different sources. Samsung's approach ensures great compatibility and reliability (hence why they can offer 10 year warranties). And it doesn't hurt that Samsung actually is Apple's primary choice for the SSDs in their Retina MacBook Pros. :)

And it does support SATA II, as per Samsung's specifications.

I promise you you won't regret buying a Samsung SSD - my older 830 is perfect!

Reputable reviewer AnandTech writes the following about the 850 Pro:
AnandTech said:
Samsung does not cease to amaze me with their SSDs as the 850 Pro just kills it in every aspect. The performance is there. The endurance is the best of the class. Heck, even Samsung's feature and software suites beat the competition by a mile. To be honest, there is not a single thing missing in the 850 Pro because regardless of the angle you look at the drive from, it it will still top the charts [...] If you are looking for a SATA 6Gbps drive and want the absolute best, the 850 Pro is your pick. It is without a doubt the best drive in the market as long as you are able to justify the price premium over other options.
 
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ecschwarz

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I have a mid 2009 15inch Macbook Pro 2.8GHz (Macbook Pro 5,3). I want to upgrade to a SSD and have been looking at the Samsung 512GB SSD 850 Pro Series. Is this the right buy?Most of the forum threads and posts I have found are two or more years old and I want current info.

I know I will not got the SATA III connection speed but I have read that some drives only allow the 1.5 SATA I even though the Macbook Pro 5,3 supports SATA II. The only reason I am choosing the Samsung is because I have only heard great things about their 10yr warranty. I am open to other suggestions though and want to look at some other options as well. I guess I am confused on which drive to buy and if I am making a safe decision. Any info or help would be appreciated.

If you get a SATA III drive from Samsung, it will be backwards compatible, so if you ever upgrade or move the drive to an external enclosure, it will function even faster. On the mid-2009 MacBook Pro, the Pro should be great (I've installed the original 840, the 840 Pro, and 840 Evo in those machines with great success). If you don't necessarily need the 10 year warranty, you can save a bit by getting the Evo or even a drive like the Crucial mx100/mx200 (Crucial also manufactures all their components in most of their drives). I actually got a great deal on the mx100 and it doesn't have as fast read/write speeds as the Samsungs, but is still satisfactory for everything I need (I sort of did it just to see what else was out there and it's a highly-rated drive, just like the Samsungs).

While that 10 year warranty is great, I'm guessing that saving some money and getting a cheaper drive will be more than adequate and you probably won't be using the drive or that computer in 10 years anyway (maybe as a repurposed external drive).
 
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RichardC300

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I have a mid 2009 15inch Macbook Pro 2.8GHz (Macbook Pro 5,3). I want to upgrade to a SSD and have been looking at the Samsung 512GB SSD 850 Pro Series. Is this the right buy?Most of the forum threads and posts I have found are two or more years old and I want current info.

I know I will not got the SATA III connection speed but I have read that some drives only allow the 1.5 SATA I even though the Macbook Pro 5,3 supports SATA II. The only reason I am choosing the Samsung is because I have only heard great things about their 10yr warranty. I am open to other suggestions though and want to look at some other options as well. I guess I am confused on which drive to buy and if I am making a safe decision. Any info or help would be appreciated.

Since you have a SATA II and not SATA III, why not just save a few bucks and get an 850 EVO instead of an 850 Pro?
 

McScooby

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So here's the thing....

I've got a Samsung 850 Pro 1TB in a 2012 MBP with yosemite since the drive was launched, I had filevault 2 enabled & was getting dire write speeds for the drive (110MB/s), almost double that on read, turned it off and momentarily jumped upto about 450MB/s on write & now it's settled at around 200ish, does this seem right to anyone, don't think lack of TRIM would make that much of a difference (link & negotiated is 6Gb)?
 

matreya

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I promise you you won't regret buying a Samsung SSD - my older 830 is perfect!

Unless you're one of the poor saps like me that bought FOUR of those poxy 840 EVO drives.... Samsung are still trying to work out how to fix those...
 

bernuli

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I had a 840 that was slow. Running the Samsung software to update the firmware and reset the drive made a big speed difference in my case.
 

i4k20c

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Just installed a Samsung 850 evo and this thing is nice! It opens apps immediately.

It does however still take a while to turn on. From when i press the power button, it hangs at a white screen, then apple logo comes and quickly after the login. Once i enter my password, everything is quick. Is that normal?

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Just enter the command below in Terminal and it will show all partitions. You should see a 650MB Recovery HD partition.

Code:
diskutil list

it doesn't show it. :mad:

is there something i can do? here is what displays...

0: GUID_partition_scheme *500.1 GB disk0
1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk0s1
2: Apple_HFS SSD 499.8 GB disk0s2


edit: my fan also kicks on way more than normal and i'm not sure why that is.
edit 2: also asking me to re-sign or re-activate my ms office.

i'm wondering if i did something wrong? or should try to reclone my drive maybe?
 
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JTToft

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It does however still take a while to turn on. From when i press the power button, it hangs at a white screen, then apple logo comes and quickly after the login. Once i enter my password, everything is quick. Is that normal?
- How long from pressing the power button to the login screen?
 

i4k20c

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- How long from pressing the power button to the login screen?
Just under 45 seconds

One issue I had was when cloning, the wire got loose and drive disconnected unexpectedly. I had to reconnect the drive and finish cloning. Maybe that caused a glitch? Should I try to format and reclone the drive?
 

JTToft

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Just under 45 seconds

One issue I had was when cloning, the wire got loose and drive disconnected unexpectedly. I had to reconnect the drive and finish cloning. Maybe that caused a glitch? Should I try to format and reclone the drive?
- Yes, I'd say so. 45 seconds is too long.
Better to start fresh and be sure everything is in order.
 

Weaselboy

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it doesn't show it. :mad:

is there something i can do? here is what displays...

0: GUID_partition_scheme *500.1 GB disk0
1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk0s1
2: Apple_HFS SSD 499.8 GB disk0s2


edit: my fan also kicks on way more than normal and i'm not sure why that is.
edit 2: also asking me to re-sign or re-activate my ms office.

i'm wondering if i did something wrong? or should try to reclone my drive maybe?

How long has it been running on the new drive? A new drive and clone like that will cause Spotlight to reindex, and that can ramp up the CPU/fans.

That is normal for MS Office. It detects you are on new hardware and makes you reenter to registration info.

Just under 45 seconds

One issue I had was when cloning, the wire got loose and drive disconnected unexpectedly. I had to reconnect the drive and finish cloning. Maybe that caused a glitch? Should I try to format and reclone the drive?

Mmm... that worries me. I would format and repeat the clone.

Boot from the hard drive in the enclosure and run the diskutil list command and see if you have a recovery partition on the hard drive. If you do, use the Disk Center function in CCC to copy it over after the clone.
 

i4k20c

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How long has it been running on the new drive? A new drive and clone like that will cause Spotlight to reindex, and that can ramp up the CPU/fans.

That is normal for MS Office. It detects you are on new hardware and makes you reenter to registration info.



Mmm... that worries me. I would format and repeat the clone.

Boot from the hard drive in the enclosure and run the diskutil list command and see if you have a recovery partition on the hard drive. If you do, use the Disk Center function in CCC to copy it over after the clone.


okay, i found out that i needed to go into system pref > select ssd otherwise it stays on the white screen for 30 seconds to find the old drive. Found that out from here in case anyone else has the same issue: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20110406143838580

you are right that spotlight was indexing so that might be why the fans have been on.

now to try and find my ms key..i have no idea where i placed it. :( and see if i can boot from my spinner drive to find out if there is a recovery partition.

i appreciate everyones help in here as i'm going through this. I'm not too well versed in computers, so your help means a lot to me.
 

grahamperrin

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… system pref > select ssd otherwise it stays on the white screen for 30 seconds to find the old drive. Found that out from here in case anyone else has the same issue: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20110406143838580

From a response to that article:

"… Quickest way to fix this is to do a pram reset of the computer and it will use the first available boot volume it comes across. The internal drive(s) are checked first. …"​

Note that a reset will cause the Mac to lose its record of the system that you preferred in the Startup Disk pane of System Preferences. So whilst a reset of NVRAM might be a quick fix, in some situations, subsequent starts may be slower than you would like. You'll need to remake a selection in the Startup Disk pane.

How to Reset NVRAM on your Mac – Apple Support
 

alex0002

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I’m curious to see if anyone is using an SSD with the Silicon Motion SM2246EN controller. SSDs using this controller seem to be getting quite common now. The controller appears to aimed more at the budget end of the market, which might suit users with SATA-II and who aren’t wanting to spend a lot of money upgrading their older machines.

Crucial BX100:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Crucial/BX100_250_GB/

Corsair Force Series LX SSD:
http://www.storagereview.com/corsair_force_series_lx_ssd_review_cssdf256gblx

New SSDs from OWC appear to be using Silicon Motion controllers:
http://blog.macsales.com/27810-owc-...-trusted-performance-gets-double-the-capacity

Mushkin Reactor 1TB SSD:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8949/mushkin-reactor-1tb-ssd-review

ADATA Premier SP610 SSD:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8180/adata-sp610-ssd-256gb-512gb-review

One thing I’ve seen in reviews, is that some of the SSDs with the Silicon Motion controller have quite low power consumption. Better than some more expensive drives. Does anyone here use one of there drives?
 
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crucius

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Just a quick question: my HDD died and I will buy an SSD. However, how can I boot the Mac with a blank SSD? Do I have to buy an external box to connect it first to a computer and download something?
 
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