iPad Pro Sshhh....I'm happy with my M2 11 inch iPad Pro

[cupcakes2000]

Of course you would be happy upgrading from the 2018. The complaints mainly apply to how pointless it is compared to the M1. And the defense is, "It's not meant for M1 owners." That also misses the point. The point is there is so little difference that they might as well keep offering the M1. And you would be just as happy upgrading from the 2018 to the M1 as you would to the M2. I think both the M1 and M2 are excellent devices, but the M2 is redundant.

What kind of a statement is that? People pay through the nose for tiny processor upgrades on every system that exists. People also spend countless hours on forums when things aren’t upgraded in a timely fashion. You included.

Well it’s a little different on the Mac Side because of the OS. The iPad software is heavily gimped so those numbers don't really translate to real world differences. We are literally talking about 1 or 2 seconds.

There is plenty of software for the iPad that is far from gimped. So get your facts straight, and stop tarring everything with the same brush.

There is no other system or place on earth where people actually complain about a spec bump, except on MacRumours, and except where the iPad is concerned. Ridiculous.

 

[DMG35]

What kind of a statement is that? People pay through the nose for tiny processor upgrades on every system that exists. People also spend countless hours on forums when things aren’t upgraded in a timely fashion. You included.

There is plenty of software for the iPad that is far from gimped. So get your facts straight, and stop tarring everything with the same brush.

There is no other system or place on earth where people actually complain about a spec bump, except on MacRumours, and except where the iPad is concerned. Ridiculous.

I'm talking about the iPad OS in general being gimped. It is, and it has to be so that they can all run the same OS. You seem to be talking about individual apps, so maybe get your thoughts together before you attack someone.

Please, people complain about spec bumps all the time, and not specifically to the iPad. A spec bump is fine, but I don't' think it's fine when it's a spec bump for the 5th year in a row. And this is just my opinion, so while you find it ridiculous, I find yours comical so I guess we are even.

 

[Username-already-in-use]

The M2 isn't that big of an upgrade over the 2018, 2020, or 2021 model.

Between A12X and M2 - large differences in single core performance, multi core performance, huge difference in RAM, large difference in GPU, large difference in cache, large difference in SSD speeds and a large difference in memory bandwidth. If we’re talking about the 12.9, an even bigger difference in the display.

 

[Username-already-in-use]

Please, people complain about spec bumps all the time, and not specifically to the iPad. A spec bump is fine, but I don't' think it's fine when it's a spec bump for the 5th year in a row. And this is just my opinion, so while you find it ridiculous, I find yours comical so I guess we are even.

Spec bumps for 5 years in a row, outrageous.

 

[cupcakes2000]

I'm talking about the iPad OS in general being gimped. It is, and it has to be so that they can all run the same OS. You seem to be talking about individual apps, so maybe get your thoughts together before you attack someone.

Please, people complain about spec bumps all the time, and not specifically to the iPad. A spec bump is fine, but I don't' think it's fine when it's a spec bump for the 5th year in a row. And this is just my opinion, so while you find it ridiculous, I find yours comical so I guess we are even.

What do you do on any system but use applications? I don’t spend all day renaming files and moving things around in any OS, but if I did I guess I would understand why you think things are over powered, and updates are pointless.

I suppose then, that what you want is a redesign? It’s been 4 years, (not 5, no need to exaggerate to make your point more valid) - it’s ok if the looks are the most important part for you. I actually love the current design, so I’m happy about the lack of a redesign. Each to their own, I suppose.

It’s a spec bump to put in their newest tech. I wont buy it, I’m going to upgrade when it’s a more substantial upgrade, but there isn’t much wrong with the update.

 

[DMG35]

Between A12X and M2 - large differences in single core performance, multi core performance, huge difference in RAM, large difference in GPU, large difference in cache, large difference in SSD speeds and a large difference in memory bandwidth. If we’re talking about the 12.9, an even bigger difference in the display.

Yes, spec bumps.

 

[DMG35]

What do you do on any system but use applications? I don’t spend all day renaming files and moving things around in any OS, but if I did I guess I would understand why you think things are over powered, and updates are pointless.

I suppose then, that what you want is a redesign? It’s been 4 years, (not 5, no need to exaggerate to make your point more valid) - it’s ok if the looks are the most important part for you. I actually love the current design, so I’m happy about the lack of a redesign. Each to their own, I suppose.

It’s a spec bump to put in their newest tech. I wont buy it, I’m going to upgrade when it’s a more substantial upgrade, but there isn’t much wrong with the update.

It will be 5 years before a redesign happens (if one does), so not an exaggeration, just fact.

And yes, iPadOS 16 was an extremely weak update. It changes relatively nothing in the OS and is still just big iOS.

 

[Ludatyk]

It will be 5 years before a redesign happens (if one does), so not an exaggeration, just fact.

And yes, iPadOS 16 was an extremely weak update. It changes relatively nothing in the OS and is still just big iOS.

Weak update? Well.. that’s according to you. IMO, iPadOS 16 is the biggest update the iPad has ever had (that’s if you had an M1 iPad).

If iPadOS is not for you… by all means there is macOS for you to use.

 

[cupcakes2000]

It will be 5 years before a redesign happens (if one does), so not an exaggeration, just fact.

And yes, iPadOS 16 was an extremely weak update. It changes relatively nothing in the OS and is still just big iOS.

Fact? Whilst quite likely, I agree, you can’t possibly claim a fact about a future event that hasn’t happened, hasn’t been announced, and isn’t remotely inevitable. Honestly. People will write anything to prove whatever point they’re trying to make.

Meanwhile, iPadOS has only recently been forked from a mobile OS, so it stands to reason it will be more like that than a 40+ year old established desktop OS, with which most insist on comparing it too.

Anyway. I’m happily able to do most of my work on an iPad, along with my Mac and my phone. You can use what works best for you.

 

[DMG35]

Weak update? Well.. that’s according to you. IMO, iPadOS 16 is the biggest update the iPad has ever had (that’s if you had an M1 iPad).

If iPadOS is not for you… by all means there is macOS for you to use.

Lol I can be critical of an OS and still use it. Just like I can be critical of the iPad and still love it.

How is this the biggest OS update the iPad has ever had? Stage manager? A Weather app? I’m not sure how you can possibly feel that way. Or I guess maybe you can feel that way since the iPad updates are year over year very minor.

 

[Ludatyk]

Lol I can be critical of an OS and still use it. Just like I can be critical of the iPad and still love it.

I understand being critical of the OS, but the way in which you explain your issues makes it seem as if it's not for you.

How is this the biggest OS update the iPad has ever had? Stage manager? A Weather app? I’m not sure how you can possibly feel that way. Or I guess maybe you can feel that way since the iPad updates are year over year very minor.

I've been an iPad user since the 2nd generation... skipped the 1st one, no need to discuss why. But I have a good understanding of the history of OS updates.

Obviously, you don't care for Stage Manager and that's perfectly okay... but Stage Manager is a whole different way of multitasking that iPad users never experienced. In addition to Stage Manager there is the ability to use it in a desktop setting which again something that iPad users have never experienced.

Apple introduced Desktop Class API for iPadOS 16 to help with the transition of pro apps.. and then there is most underrated feature that people tend to forget about is virtual memory swap. And as far as I know, this update is the most impactful to the iPad platform thus far.

 

[ct2k7]

I understand being critical of the OS, but the way in which you explain your issues makes it seem as if it's not for you.


I've been an iPad user since the 2nd generation... skipped the 1st one, no need to discuss why. But I have a good understanding of the history of OS updates.

Obviously, you don't care for Stage Manager and that's perfectly okay... but Stage Manager is a whole different way of multitasking that iPad users never experienced. In addition to Stage Manager there is the ability to use it in a desktop setting which again something that iPad users have never experienced.

Apple introduced Desktop Class API for iPadOS 16 to help with the transition of pro apps.. and then there is most underrated feature that people tend to forget about is virtual memory swap. And as far as I know, this update is the most impactful to the iPad platform thus far.

Virtual Memory Swap doesn’t sound ground breaking, and that’s because it isn’t. I’m somewhat astonished that iPadOS didn’t have some level of swap, it between the reloads in Safari and other apps, I shouldn’t be surprised.

That said if it’s already enabled for first party applications, I haven’t noticed a significant difference.

 

[DMG35]

I understand being critical of the OS, but the way in which you explain your issues makes it seem as if it's not for you.


I've been an iPad user since the 2nd generation... skipped the 1st one, no need to discuss why. But I have a good understanding of the history of OS updates.

Obviously, you don't care for Stage Manager and that's perfectly okay... but Stage Manager is a whole different way of multitasking that iPad users never experienced. In addition to Stage Manager there is the ability to use it in a desktop setting which again something that iPad users have never experienced.

Apple introduced Desktop Class API for iPadOS 16 to help with the transition of pro apps.. and then there is most underrated feature that people tend to forget about is virtual memory swap. And as far as I know, this update is the most impactful to the iPad platform thus far.

In what way have I been critical of the OS that would make it seem that it wasn’t for me?

And again, I’d challenge you on the biggest update in OS history but you are certainly allowed your opinion.

 

[Ludatyk]

Virtual Memory Swap doesn’t sound ground breaking, and that’s because it isn’t. I’m somewhat astonished that iPadOS didn’t have some level of swap, it between the reloads in Safari and other apps, I shouldn’t be surprised.

That said if it’s already enabled for first party applications, I haven’t noticed a significant difference.

You are looking at it from the standpoint of now whereas I believe the biggest significance will be going forward with bigger apps that demand alot of RAM like Da Vinci Resolve. And I'm waiting to see what Affinity does with it coming November 8th when they release their apps.

I think Procreate developer made a comment saying that it should help getting better performance out of their apps as well.

In what way have I been critical of the OS that would make it seem that it wasn’t for me?

Lol, you literally just said in this thread... that the OS is gimped. I'm speaking for myself here... I wouldn't use an OS that I label as gimped.

And again, I’d challenge you on the biggest update in OS history but you are certainly allowed your opinion.

And you are allowed to have your opinion. But I don't agree that iPadOS 16 is a weak update, but I think if someone doesn't care for Stage Manager then I can understand why they come to that conclusion.

 

[ct2k7]

You are looking at it from the standpoint of now whereas I believe the biggest significance will be going forward with bigger apps that demand alot of RAM like Da Vinci Resolve. And I'm waiting to see what Affinity does with it coming November 8th when they release their apps.

I think Procreate developer made a comment saying that it should help getting better performance out of their apps as well.


Lol, you literally just said in this thread... that the OS is gimped. I'm speaking for myself here... I wouldn't use an OS that I label as gimped.


And you are allowed to have your opinion. But I don't agree that iPadOS 16 is a weak update, but I think if someone doesn't care for Stage Manager then I can understand why they come to that conclusion.

So Apple’s own applications are unable to take advantage rage of something that is transparent to the user and handled at OS and kernel level?

Procreate should be able to take advantage of it, but should all apps that need more memory.

 

[Isamilis]

People often use the car analogy which makes absolutely no sense. You might as well compare buying an iPad to buying a house then. Its not a comparison that makes any sense. Apple absolutely wants people to upgrade year over year, its easy money for them. They especially want people to use their trade in program as they will turn around and sell your old device for double what they gave you for the trade in.

The M2 isn't that big of an upgrade over the 2018, 2020, or 2021 model. They all use Apple's silicone chips and all are going to have very similar results in real world usage. Yeah the 2022 is going to beat the 2021 and previous models, but its not going to be dramatic like it is comparing intel to silicone in MacBooks simply because Apple was already using silicone in their iPads.

This will be 5 yers now of the same design for the iPad Pro, with no enhancements to the battery, no enhancements to the facetime camera, no enhancements to the speakers, same camera position in portrait. Apple is simply taking the cheap way out here and putting in a new chip into the exact same device as years prior. At least they updated the screen in 2021, but even that was the only meaningful change from 2020 and 2018.

I don’t think Apple is intended iPP buyers to upgrade every year. iPad usually can survive until around 5 years. It’s just their ridiculous annual product cycle (and software update too).

 

[Heat_Fan89]

M2 11" iPad Pro is on sale at Amazon for $749 https://www.amazon.com/Apple-11-inc...67691781&sprefix=11+ipad+,aps,144&sr=8-1&th=1

 

[dapa0s]

Will whisper this but I'm actually very happy with my new M2 11 inch iPad Pro.
Sure, it doesn't have the latest display and is basically the same as the M1 version but it still looks good and performs effortlessly with what I throw at it. Yes it could be improved but I know it'll serve me for many, many years without issues.
And every Apple release has that 'something' missing ready for the next product cycle. Always a 'nice to have' kept for later...
Allowed my faithful and still very adequate 2018 version to pass down the family and I got the M2 with a very acceptable and sizeable discount, much needed given price increases in the UK. Now I suggest pricing is a real issue but that applies across many Apple products now.
So no buyer's remorse here, each to their own given your individual needs but definitely not a bad product, quite the reverse and I fully expect the M2 and I to happily co-exist for many years.

This is such a stupid take. The ipad pro is an “affordable”, consumer/“prosumer” product and is marketed and reviewed in this context. If the exact same product had cost 10 thousand dollars, I’m sure there would be one rich idi-, I mean person (or Apple enthusiast lol) that would have payed the money and opened up a thread saying “sure, it’s exactly the same as the old one, but it can run facebook!”.

I’m sure it works fine, but it’s barely an improvement, and that, alongside the OS still being horrible for actual work and considering the price increase, is what people have been complaing about.

 

[rkuo]

This is such a stupid take. The ipad pro is an “affordable”, consumer/“prosumer” product and is marketed and reviewed in this context. If the exact same product had cost 10 thousand dollars, I’m sure there would be one rich idi-, I mean person (or Apple enthusiast lol) that would have payed the money and opened up a thread saying “sure, it’s exactly the same as the old one, but it can run facebook!”.

I’m sure it works fine, but it’s barely an improvement, and that, alongside the OS still being horrible for actual work and considering the price increase, is what people have been complaing about.

I don’t recall Apple ever marketing the iPad Pro as affordable or anything other than a premium price for a premium tablet.

 

[Kiimora]

Ignore the naysayers OP, enjoy your new device as I am still enjoying my launch M1 12.9’

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

good for you . i haven't checked the prices in the US but here in the EU it's got a 20% price increase , which is very painful .

 

[teh_hunterer]

Virtual Memory Swap doesn’t sound ground breaking, and that’s because it isn’t. I’m somewhat astonished that iPadOS didn’t have some level of swap, it between the reloads in Safari and other apps, I shouldn’t be surprised.

That said if it’s already enabled for first party applications, I haven’t noticed a significant difference.

It's a new dawn for the iPad - it just hasn't come into any practical effect yet.

For the iPad's entire run it shipped with a phone OS and phone-class storage, phone level of RAM. Not only does the iPad finally have desktop class RAM and storage, as well as a chipset that allows virtual memory, but iPadOS has now deviated from iOS in that virtual memory is built into the OS and available to apps.

These two changes are a massive deviation from the iPhone and from the iPad's roots - but you'd be crazy to think this is going to have some big impact a month or so after iPadOS16 comes out. The iPad has a long history of phone-style limitations, and the culture of app development and pricing and user expectation is going to take a fair while to change.

It's the most ground breaking thing to happen to the iPad in ages, perhaps ever.

 

[cupcakes2000]

Virtual Memory Swap doesn’t sound ground breaking, and that’s because it isn’t. I’m somewhat astonished that iPadOS didn’t have some level of swap, it between the reloads in Safari and other apps, I shouldn’t be surprised.

That said if it’s already enabled for first party applications, I haven’t noticed a significant difference.

It’s not ground breaking, except for iPadOS. Where it is indeed ground breaking. And that’s the point. Because it’s been around for ages is an irrelevant thing, as as far as iPadOS is concerned- it hasn’t.

The fact that it astonishes you is also somewhat moot. Your opinion seems to be that it should have always existed. Yet ipados is forked from a phone os - such things are unnecessary there. It exists now and therefore that is a ground breaking event for the os.

I know. I know. macOS blah blah. But it’s not macos, and aside from some similarities with the groundwork (ios itself was forked from macos), ios is not the same beast. The plan seems to be with iPadOS is to make it a desktop class os within the secure modern ios framework, as opposed to the decades old traditional type os’ like macos.

So - that’s what they’re doing. Slowly, perhaps. Badly even in some opinions. But nonetheless, it’s a few years since the fork - and things take time - even more so for devs to catch up (or want to catch up which maybe more the issue).

 

[rui no onna]

It’s not ground breaking, except for iPadOS. Where it is indeed ground breaking. And that’s the point. Because it’s been around for ages is an irrelevant thing, as as far as iPadOS is concerned- it hasn’t.
...
So - that’s what they’re doing. Slowly, perhaps. Badly even in some opinions. But nonetheless, it’s a few years since the fork - and things take time - even more so for devs to catch up (or want to catch up which maybe more the issue).

+1.

The thing with porting system level features like swap file from macOS is that it opens up the possibility of running macOS apps on the iPad as-is, no developer support required.

I expect if Apple ever opens up that route, it will still be limited to the Mac App Store (don't want to lose that 30% cut). On the upside, at least Final Cut Pro, etc. for those who want it are available (albeit it would likely need keyboard + mouse/trackpad to use).

 

[rui no onna]

Virtual Memory Swap doesn’t sound ground breaking, and that’s because it isn’t. I’m somewhat astonished that iPadOS didn’t have some level of swap,

Storage was too small and too slow (especially random 4K) up to around A10 series (random 4K was around HDD level). Even the A12X/Z wasn't all that good at random 4K (comparable to circa 2010-11 SSDs).