This is a good point. The hardware is powerful enough to run MacOS at this point, but iPadOS doesn't offer a lot of those powerful features. Given this is a tablet and I don't use MacBooks very often, I don't mind it as much, but I'd still like to see some more functionality so if I'm travelling or on call at work, I can just take my iPad Pro with me, and maybe a keyboard, and have all I need to function temporarily on the road. As of now, our systems at work provide connectivity to a lot of things, but for my IT management tools, not so much. It's a conversation I'm engaged in with the powers that be where I work.
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iPad Pro Sshhh....I'm happy with my M2 11 inch iPad Pro
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I disagree. I have seen multiple posts and even reviews saying the M2 iPP isn't worth it. That is probably true for those who already have the M1 model, but for nearly anyone else, it's a good upgrade (I personally replaced my 4th gen Air/A14/256GB chip for the iPP M2 256GB). I don't like to replace things with such a price tag on a yearly basis, so purchasing the M2 model just made sense for longevity, along with some of the minor improvements over the M1 model.
Saying Apple needs to do more is somewhat subjective, as well. The iPP is a very mature product, so I don't reasonably expect major changes to the design language (which Apple is set in for the foreseeable future) or the internals. It would have been nice to see the mini-LED screen on my 11" model, but it wasn't a deal-breaker for me.
Also just a heads up for any veterans out there, but Apple does provide a 10% discount for veterans on just about anything in their catalog, including AppleCare plans, and while I would have paid full price, the discount dropped the cost of the M2 below the M1 full price on Apple's site at the time.
Now, if Apple would just unleash the software...
Personally I like the fact that Apple isn't doing like the Samsungs, Intels, and various PC makers of the world and pressuring people to always buy the latest model but instead recognizes that a product isn't obsolete until it no longer serves the purposes you use it for (or want to use it for). They are one of the few companies allowing you to succumb to your own common sense/budgetary needs instead for pressuring people to spend more money than they need to on already expensive products.
Now, that doesn't mean I appreciate all the forthcoming ads...
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Oh, the HUMANITY!!
Ok, all joking aside, most products have spec bumps year over year. The car analogy made by another user may not be the best, but the concept holds just fine. Apple is continuously releasing newer technology in terms of silicon, memory bandwidth, etc. It's only reasonable that at some point they need to add that new tech into existing product lines. I wouldn't expect M1 MBP owners to be running to upgrade to M2 models, either. It's just not cost effective and makes little sense to me.
You may (probably, even) see it differently, and that's fine, but in response I feel compelled to ask: What is the current technology (screen, camera, etc) not doing for you that you want it to, other than "moar pixels", etc? I'm not beating you up here, I'm just curious. The iPP is a VERY mature product for what it is, and I can't see that moving the camera about 5 inches to be in the center of the top bezel in landscape mode a thing to compel me to spend hundreds (or even a thousand in some cases) of dollars on. Realistically, iPads in general blow most or all of the Android competition out of the water, which is why Apple can charge what they do for them. Would I have liked to see a mini-LED screen on the 11"? Sure, but when you figure out what that would cost, I probably wouldn't have bought it. Product development is all about balancing the wow factors you *can do* with the price point you *can sell*.
Huh? Windows tends to be supported for 10+ years and most of my friends and family use their PCs until they break (even after Windows support ends).
There are tons of options available on the market and not a single Windows PC manufacturer can pressure their customers to upgrade. I expect the only ones upgrading their Windows PCs frequently are gamers and that tends to be driven by PC game requirements rather than by manufacturers.
If anything, Apple is the one who's very good at marketing and is more likely to convince their customers to upgrade more often.
Sure, Microsoft isn't pressuring anybody. They are now on a rolling release pattern, or SAAS model, depending on product.
But the hardware manufacturers like Dell, Lenovo, HP? They absolutely try to sell you on the newest laptop with the latest processor that *may* offer an extra 200Hz. In burst mode.
You are describing Apple as well. They all do it and they have too. It’s required to generate revenue. If you own an M1 Macbook, you could probably skip the M2 upgrade.
“It’s our best Mac ever and we’re sure you’re going to love it” - Tim Cook
Apple has been offering the M1 MacBook Pros for 1 year. Apple has been selling silicone iPads for what is going on 5 years. It’s not a reasonable comparison. And the jump from the 2018 model to the M2 isn’t that big of a jump in real world usage. It’s not comparable to moving from intel to silicone on Macs.
Not quite that straightforward unfortunately.
Native macOS apps are built on AppKit, which will not run on iOS or iPadOS. These mobile OSs instead use UIKit mainly, and more recently, SwiftUI.
Lol, hardware manufacturers like Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. can't influence consumers much. Their sticker prices are high but almost no one buys those at full price. PC pricing is pretty much a race to the bottom.
On the Windows side, folks don't tend to look at new computers until their old one is on life support. New PC hardware gets released practically every month but the vast majority of Windows users won't know or care what's new. It's really more up to Best Buy associates and the like to upsell customers (who are already in the market for PCs to begin with) on hardware.
Meanwhile, I expect Apple Keynotes and marketing are much more effective at informing customers and driving sales for new Macs.
Considering with iPadOS 16, StageManager and external display/monitor support is fully available to M1 and above I would like to see Apple transition all iPad models to M1 at a minimum. Granted it’s might be overkill for most, I feel iPadOS needs to be harmonized and not forked as it takes away from the common user experience and seems un-Apple like from a software standpoint.
It just seems strange that for external display support the power of an M1 chip is needed. 🤯
I just don't see this happening. It runs directly against the value proposition Apple has built into the Pro devices over the non Pro models. External display support is a clear way to get people who want more ... to pay more.
I upgrade iPhones and iPads, as I see them as consumption devices. Macbooks aren't to me. It would cost me $5500 to get the M1 spec for 64GB RAM nd 8TB storage, which is what my 16 " 2019 Intel version is. That's not getting upgraded any time soon.
There's a difference between a product being bad and not being worth it. I've not said, nor has any reviewer said that its not a good product. I know its a good product because the M1 (and 2018 and 2020) iPad Pro was a good product and you are essentially buying the same iPad. Its not worth it because there really is no difference in the less expensive M1 model and a negligible difference between the older models.
You would also get the same longevity using the M1 iPad Pro. The M2 isn't going to give you years more usage than the M1. Apple is still selling M1 MacBook Pro's as their high end model. The notion that you are going to get more longevity out of the M2 is just wishful thinking.
The MacBook Pro, however, doesn’t use an M1, but an M1 Pro/Max, which is a different category SoC-wise.
The same way I expect an A10X to get more years of support than an A10 (which has already lost new iOS support), I expect the M1 Pro -which is, essentially, an M1X- to get longer support than an M1.
And yeah, I definitely expect the M2 to get, at least, one more year of software support than the M1.
Let me ask you something: what if the next Mchip iterations move on the same 15-20% of improvement as the M1 to M2? Then, people would never be compelled to buy? Obviously I expect a major increase in performance with the M3 because of 3nm, but I don’t know, maybe it is not that big after all. I would definitely wait for the M3 iPad Pro if it wasn’t because OLED is coming and I prefer LCD. So I’ll probably get the M2, even if it’s just for it’s much more efficient e-cores.
The issue is that Apple “believes” that full external monitor support is a pro feature. It boggles the mind that even mirror mode to an external display has the black bars on the side. To even consider that an A14-16 are unable to incorporate this is shady on Apple’s part.
I suspect Apple is having a difficult time trying to make the iPad lineup look fresh while also appealing to the general public while at the same time causing segment lines to blur or fade.
At some point I believe the Air will just be iPad and then the Pro lineup. Anyone remember the eMac (educational Mac) that looked like the G3 iMac when the G4 Luxor lamp iMac was out. That was a good budget computer but it didn’t survive long. Always wanted an eMac and a G4 iMac Luxor lamp.
It is a pro feature when you look at how the chips behind the scenes are designed and allocated. The base A-series chips are phone SOC's first and foremost, so wasting silicon die space on external monitor support is an absolute no-no and will likely never happen. Those chips bleed over into the base iPad's, so no external monitor support there either.
The "X" and "Z" series chips and now, M1, are designed with additional IO to support desktop use cases ... so they get the extra goodies. Those go in the more expensive iPad's.
Imagine an iPhone/iOS with full external monitor support. Hello docking station where once connected brings up iPadOS/ lite desktop type functionality. The A series chips do not have to conform to the previous and can expand a little into M series chip territory. Hopefully it comes along with the inclusion of USB-C.
The iPad Air, which is not a Pro, also has an M1 with full SM and Display support.
I think it's a RAM issue. You need 8GB and at least 128GB SSD to multitask 8 apps and also drive a second (up to) 5k display. Thats why the A12 iPad Pros with less than 8GB (the 11" A12X only has 4GB) can only multitask four apps and have no external display support.
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Im sure a lot of M1 iPad owners will disagree. What is the enormous productivity gain between these two generations, if not a slight spec bump?
