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Star Trek: Alpha to Delta Quadrants & Everything In Between
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Interesting for sure. But its a very sensitive take for someone with Carl in their avatar. 😂😂🤣 I love hunger force btw
Actually, since Carl usually gets screwed over, abused or killed by the end of each episode, he's the perfect emblem of anti-racism. He always gets what's coming to him.
Five new episodes of ATHF, coming soon
So is Metalocalypse (movie) and Venture Bros (also a movie). The 2000s live again!
I love people complaining about new ST becoming "woke." But TOS was so woke it literally hit you on the head with it.
I love the way Lower Decks, Prodigy and Strange New Worlds handles their storylines and plot.
I hope that Section 31 and Starfleet Academy will follow their narrative thread as they are more Roddenberry-esque and Berman-esque.
I hope that Section 31 and Starfleet Academy will follow their narrative thread as they are more Roddenberry-esque and Berman-esque.
A black woman on the bridge in a position of authority? An interracial kiss? Episodes like the one above? One world government with no money - the definition of socialism?
Woke is just accepting people for who they are. It's the opposite of racism.
I did subscribe because of this show. I may unsubscribe for awhile since it'll likely be a couple years before we get S3.
We do not speak of the movie that must not be named. Begone foul movie!
My biggest issue with "woke"ism is that it just seems like more of a cop out to me. Just something you stick to your Twitter (X?) handle rather than doing the actual hard work of fighting for an actual better future. And anti-woke-ism is just being contrarian just 'cause. Seems like no one in elite circles has any vision for a future other than just maintaining the status quo at all costs. This is why I like the Solar Punk movement. They are offering a vision. It'd be nice to see Star Trek incorporate some of its elements.
To me, wokism is just accepting people. If someone's gay, or wants to be called they or them or whatever, why hassle them about it? If Target wants to have one row of LGBT stuff, so what? Doesn't affect my life. None of my business.
Too many people into other peoples' business.
This was the first episode that made me aware of the social commentary in Star Trek. I started rewatching other episodes with fresh eyes. And so it began….
It’s like the argument put forth against same sex marriage for years. It would demean their own heterosexual marriage. Finally a judge in California said you can’t just claim you’ll be harmed. You have to prove that in court. Of course no one could.
Funny, I take Trek very seriously yet I totally agree with you. TOS had some awful episodes just like every other Trek series. Not every new episode is destined to become a classic. I sometimes rewatch TOS episodes that I rarely see because they’re not so good. Even in those I can often find a great scene or moment.
I actually have that happen for a lot of newer shows. I don’t know if actors are trying to be cooler than John Boy Walton or if it’s an actual audio thing
Maybe we're all just getting older.
(puts the horn up to my ear) What's that, sonny?
No, no. I’m certain it’s not THAT 🤭
For those w/Rokus in the US (I have a Roku Ultra) or who can access the Roku Channel, I recently discovered all the eps are there and there's an 11th ep of a 10 ep show.
https://www.tivocommunity.com/threa...trek-all-episodes.585455/page-2#post-12750303 pointed said:
"That list on iMDb has "Whales, God and Pepto Bismol" wedged in as the 5th but it was not part of the original run, and it lists the air date as the same as the last ones before the cut-off. It never did reappear on broadcast, and it's not on the History website as an archive, not even the first four. "
He's referring to the ep list at https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15766736/episodes?ref_=tt_eps_sm.
I got partway thru "ep 11": "The Stars Above" and I feel like I've watched it before. I started on "ep 5": "Whales, God and Pepto Bismol" and it seems like it's not something I've watched before.
Star Trek used to be about enlightened humans meeting other aliens, spreading peaceful ideal to those they meet. In New Trek, they threw all that out the airlock. Hardly any social commentary, just a lot of pew-pew. New Trek became what Q railed against at the beginning of ST:TNG.😢 "And later, on finally reaching deep space, humans of course found enemies to fight out there too. And to broaden those struggles you again found allies for still more murdering. The same old story, all over again."
Maybe the boom operators are on strike too?
Like you probably have, I’ve had this conversation with friends multiple times. I definitely understand your point. Discovery was intended to be an action-based series which I think it does well. I enjoy more hearing well crafted, thought provoking dialogue, but we’re all different. I think Discovery does have that, but maybe not as frequently as the episodic series. Strange New Worlds I believe was crafted in response to fans wanting more traditional Trek storytelling. I think season 2 especially was really well done. I enjoyed Picard and thought each season got better. Season 3 was phenomenally good in my opinion. If you go to STLV or ever hear interviews with the writers and show runners, they definitely get the idea of Trek holding a mirror up to society.
See, there are a lot of people who say the opposite - NuTrek is too "woke" (not realizing that ST has always been "woke"). And sometimes, you don't seek out enemies, enemies seek out you. The Romulans and early Klingons certainly didn't want peace or co-existence.
Conflict (pew-pew) is what drives TV shows. It would get boring if everyone got along and kissed each others' butts all the time.
Just my opinion, but the folks who complain about the social commentary in the new shows must have missed it in the old shows. A black woman on the bridge in 1966 wasn’t exactly playing it safe. Sorry to bring up such an obvious example. One thing I did appreciate about the older shows is that they didn’t talk about the black woman or the Asian guy being on the bridge. It just was. I thought the tooth brushing scene between Stamets and Culber in Discovery was a new classic. No big gay agenda, just brush your teeth and talk about your day like everybody else.
Plus, a Russian guy on the bridge at the height of the US-USSR Cold War.
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