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Every ship not named Voyager. Enterprise-D needed an overhaul at a starbase every season. Voyager fought off countless enemy ships--including a Borg Tactical cube🤨--and ended the season in near mint condition.😏
Don't forget the photon torpedoes where in the beginning of the show, they mentioned how they have to be extremely careful in using them as they only had 38.

If you trust chatgpt, it reports that 93 photon torpedoes were fired through the series run.
 
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Isn't that with everything tho? I'm 40 now. I watch stuff I really liked as a young kid and most of it is pretty weak, with lots of logic holes, and I often have more questions than when I started. lol. Some of the sci fi shows of the 90s were major WTF. lol.

That said, there's a book: Star Trek - Science Logs by Andre Bormanis (Links to Amazon) that's really fun to read. There's a lot that went into the science of Star Trek.
Many things yes, I have left most of the childish things in the past. I can look fondly at them but also realize they were childish and they no longer satisfy. On the other hand certain authors and series were written for children but as an adult I find more depth in them, depth I would never have gotten as a child. CS Lewis is a prime example of this with The Chronicles of Narnia. This is geared more towards a Christian to appreciate the depth he has in these stories as it pertains to the Christian faith. I grew up reading the Narnia books as well as The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, and in early teens Brave New World, 1984, Fahrenheit 451 among other dystopia works. I certainly did not get understand or appreciate the deeper elements to these books in my younger years but as I grew older I can appreciate how much more there is to it. The stuff like Star Wars and Star Trek and others are nostalgic and can be warm and fuzzy to watch again but they do nothing for me on any higher level. I am not stuck trying to hold on to my childhood and childish things, I grow and enjoy things with greater depth while appreciating where I came from. Not judging people who do like these series, for me personally I want more and have taken that to the books I read and the music I listen to. I don't want to settle for the mundane.
 
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Many things yes, I have left most of the childish things in the past. I can look fondly at them but also realize they were childish and they no longer satisfy. On the other hand certain authors and series were written for children but as an adult I find more depth in them, depth I would never have gotten as a child. CS Lewis is a prime example of this with The Chronicles of Narnia. This is geared more towards a Christian to appreciate the depth he has in these stories as it pertains to the Christian faith. I grew up reading the Narnia books as well as The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, and in early teens Brave New World, 1984, Fahrenheit 451 among other dystopia works. I certainly did not get understand or appreciate the deeper elements to these books in my younger years but as I grew older I can appreciate how much more there is to it. The stuff like Star Wars and Star Trek and others are nostalgic and can be warm and fuzzy to watch again but they do nothing for me on any higher level. I am not stuck trying to hold on to my childhood and childish things, I grow and enjoy things with greater depth while appreciating where I came from. Not judging people who do like these series, for me personally I want more and have taken that to the books I read and the music I listen to. I don't want to settle for the mundane.
I don't see Star Trek through the same lenses you do. It had a vision of a future that is bright. Most people today like to look at the future with very dark lenses due to current events and what not. Their choice, but it's not how I like to look at things if I can help it.

Star Trek is far from being a children's story - it had some really really great episodes that even as an adult wow me (DS9 included) - the coherency from TOS to TNG to DS9 to VOY is admirable across all those TV shows. That's a feat you don't see much of (over that timespan).

I'm glad you're finding things to enjoy as you get older - I count Star Trek as one of the things I enjoy - minus the last 5+ years (I can't enjoy most of whatever that is called). It's interesting - a lot of the 80s shows I grew up with are more enjoyable to watch than a lot of the CGI camera shaking swinging no storyline crap they throw at you today lol.

As far as reading books, my drug of choice has always been non-fiction history - will never get enough. :D
 
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I don't see Star Trek through the same lenses you do. It had a vision of a future that is bright. Most people today like to look at the future with very dark lenses due to current events and what not. Their choice, but it's not how I like to look at things if I can help it.

Star Trek is far from being a children's story - it had some really really great episodes that even as an adult wow me (DS9 included) - the coherency from TOS to TNG to DS9 to VOY is admirable across all those TV shows. That's a feat you don't see much of (over that timespan).

I'm glad you're finding things to enjoy as you get older - I count Star Trek as one of the things I enjoy - minus the last 5+ years (I can't enjoy most of whatever that is called). It's interesting - a lot of the 80s shows I grew up with are more enjoyable to watch than a lot of the CGI camera shaking swinging no storyline crap they throw at you today lol.

As far as reading books, my drug of choice has always been non-fiction history - will never get enough. :D
Was it really a bright vision of the future? Constant issues with Star Fleet Command, either being corrupt or not acting as they should. Constantly you have Picard and others disobeying their superiors to do what they deemed right. If everyone acted that way it would be anarchy. Ultimately it is supremely simple and lacking depth in my opinion. DS9 is probably my favorite of the bunch but more so for what it could have been rather then what it was. I loved the whole story of a planet being occupied and the transition to freedom and living with that enemy force with a fragile peace treaty. The religious element was interesting as well, though less so as they again made it too small. All these huge political issues yet they all seem to end up on a space station with very thin reasons. Dealing with an invading force and causing splits in the dynamics and relationships between the different the main groups, Humans, Klingons, Vulcans and Romulans with a much stronger and more dangerous force again had potential but falls flat. Part of that is because that is how story telling was in that time period. Today TV is the best medium for visual story telling, in those times it was the cheaper version of movies and we expected less.

Thankfully we live in a time where we have so many options for art in so many mediums there is something for everyone. All my views are personal to me and the values I have.

I don't care about the CGI stuff, it is nice but if the stories are lacking then I could care less. Lots of great stuff in the 80's. Good story telling lets me easily forget that I can tell it is a man inside that robot suit or behind those big alien eyes.
 
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https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/...FC-AffiliateUS-oelFIBIMgTk-3011275-1689973-10

If one is near a mall that has a Lego store, drop by and check out the Enterprise. A little pricey but also its huge in size.
OK, it took me a minute. That is obviously Spot next to Data. I was wondering what the brass skeleton is next to Riker, then realized it must be his slide trombone.
 
I think his points about who is this show directed towards is spot on. high school teen angst sort of plots will not interest the traditional star trek fan, and sci-fi shows generally don't interest teens/young adults. I have no dog in this race, so I don't care one way or another.

I also agree on one of his side notes, why is every starship so easily destroyed/impaired by enemies? Its not just these streaming shows, the STNG movies were always doing this to the Enterprise.
Because you must follow the script, even when it is dumb beyond belief!

Because spectacle >>> common sense

Cue ST Generations with a crappy Bird of Prey taking down the Big E because the morons on the bridge can't remember to rotate shield frequencies.
 
Was it really a bright vision of the future? Constant issues with Star Fleet Command, either being corrupt or not acting as they should. Constantly you have Picard and others disobeying their superiors to do what they deemed right. If everyone acted that way it would be anarchy. Ultimately it is supremely simple and lacking depth in my opinion. DS9 is probably my favorite of the bunch but more so for what it could have been rather then what it was. I loved the whole story of a planet being occupied and the transition to freedom and living with that enemy force with a fragile peace treaty. The religious element was interesting as well, though less so as they again made it too small. All these huge political issues yet they all seem to end up on a space station with very thin reasons. Dealing with an invading force and causing splits in the dynamics and relationships between the different the main groups, Humans, Klingons, Vulcans and Romulans with a much stronger and more dangerous force again had potential but falls flat. Part of that is because that is how story telling was in that time period. Today TV is the best medium for visual story telling, in those times it was the cheaper version of movies and we expected less.

Thankfully we live in a time where we have so many options for art in so many mediums there is something for everyone. All my views are personal to me and the values I have.

I don't care about the CGI stuff, it is nice but if the stories are lacking then I could care less. Lots of great stuff in the 80's. Good story telling lets me easily forget that I can tell it is a man inside that robot suit or behind those big alien eyes.
We can definitely see eye to eye on several things you said. There are problems in Star Trek - however, there was an attempt to do better despite humanity's failings and advances (I guess you could call it a positivity factor vs the doom and gloom I see all over TV movies/series today (and in today's Star Trek)). I really liked DS9 too. Some great actors too - Garak, Quark, Nog, (the list goes on and on) - and it stayed true to Star Trek canon - and developed it (Jem Hadar, Dominion, etc).
 
Many things yes, I have left most of the childish things in the past. I can look fondly at them but also realize they were childish and they no longer satisfy. On the other hand certain authors and series were written for children but as an adult I find more depth in them, depth I would never have gotten as a child. CS Lewis is a prime example of this with The Chronicles of Narnia. This is geared more towards a Christian to appreciate the depth he has in these stories as it pertains to the Christian faith.

Ironically, I was a big fan of Narnia when I first got into reading many years go as a kid. Returned to it decades later and found it to be a very labored allegory from an adult perspective - an opinion I share with Tolkien in his debates with Lewis. You’ll find plenty who fall on either side of this discussion.

It’s all a matter of taste.

Personally I would disagree that Star Trek writing is as consistently bad as you claim. The best of it is as good as anything on TV. The worst of it is…pretty bad. There is a fair amount of variability.

I personally think (to repeat my recent-ish posts) the biggest problem with recent Trek series is tone. We are living through a very pessimistic era and Star Trek is ultimately utopian in outlook. That’s a hard sell right now, with the consequence that producers and writers feel the need to make it ‘darker,’ and I think that detracts from its most essential quality.

I’ve recently given Lower Decks another shot and it actually sticks to that vision better than any of the other recent series, maybe even SNW.
 
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Because you must follow the script, even when it is dumb beyond belief!

Because spectacle >>> common sense
Enterprise travels at the speed of plot. They will always arrive in the nick of time no matter if they're 1 light year away or 100 light years away.
Cue ST Generations with a crappy Bird of Prey taking down the Big E because the morons on the bridge can't remember to rotate shield frequencies.
Federation ship have the weakest hull, but the strongest shields of the major powers. Bypass the shields and Federation ships are made of glass. A Jem Hadar fighter kamikaze into the shields down Odyssey vaporized the Galaxy-class ship. The Bird of Prey knew exactly what the shield frequency of Enterprise-D because they hacked Geordi's visor. Rotating shield frequency wouldn't have helped, as the Duras sisters would know as soon as it changes. The only thing that doesn't make sense about that was why Big E had its shield frequency on display in engineering for all to see. Why?😵‍💫
 
Enterprise travels at the speed of plot. They will always arrive in the nick of time no matter if they're 1 light year away or 100 light years away.

Federation ship have the weakest hull, but the strongest shields of the major powers. Bypass the shields and Federation ships are made of glass. A Jem Hadar fighter kamikaze into the shields down Odyssey vaporized the Galaxy-class ship. The Bird of Prey knew exactly what the shield frequency of Enterprise-D because they hacked Geordi's visor. Rotating shield frequency wouldn't have helped, as the Duras sisters would know as soon as it changes. The only thing that doesn't make sense about that was why Big E had its shield frequency on display in engineering for all to see. Why?😵‍💫
Rotating frequencies would have immediately worked, since the last fired weapon wouldn't match the new freq. Assuming rapid rotation as per fighting the Borg.

The frequency had to be displayed, to make the stupid plot point work. Gordy wouldn't have been constantly looking at the display, given the work he had to do.
 
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I think it's fair to say that if your threshold for being able to enjoy Star Trek is that there can't be an obvious plot hole, idiot plot point, or technobabble inconsistency in any of the hundreds of episodes filmed...you might as well walk away right now and not waste your time. Because it will disappoint you. Or just watch it and take a drink every time they 'reverse the polarity' of something to get out of a seemingly impossible situation. 🤣 It's a utopian escapist fantasy for me and I love it, flaws and all. I want to enjoy it, and that's why it works for me.

To be fair, even real-world theoretical physics doesn't have that level of ironclad internal consistency.

As an aside, the TNG Blu-Ray box set has some great interviews with the writers, which I thought provided a LOT of really good insight into how the show was written. One thing they mention that is very important to remember: for most of the show's run, they were writing furiously to meet deadlines, and in constant fear of cancelation. They didn't have time to ruminate at length on every plot point or writing decision. This is true of most TV shows, but some of the 'bad' writing was the result of tight deadlines, burnout, producer/studio interference, the writer's strike during season 2 and so on. Under the circumstances, the fact that TNG still holds up is a testament to the quality of what they did, imperfect as it was. And IIRC, Generations was written in parallel with part of Season 7, so the writing crew was stretched really thin at times.

The frequency had to be displayed, to make the stupid plot point work. Gordy wouldn't have been constantly looking at the display, given the work he had to do.

A better (writing) solution would have been to have Geordi walk past the shield generator during his daily rounds - his visor would register the shield frequency directly from the generator itself - he doesn't need displays to know what frequency something is! - and the Duras sisters could have gotten it that way without it needing to be (carelessly) displayed anywhere.
 
I know not what this threshold is that you speak of.

I just turned 60, I grew up watching TOS repeats and reading the James Blish script books. I am eminently familiar with YATIs (Yet Another Trek Inconsistency) from the very beginning.

Trek is regularly on as background when I am cooking, or cleaning, or whatnot. Either TOS, TNG, VOY or sometimes DS9 or ENT.

Most recently I decided to engage in a TOS watching program where I skip all the average or better episodes and watch the ones I always skip. I am in Season 2 now. I am anticipating the start of S3 with baited breath ... Not.

For example, the last four episodes watched were:
This Side of Paradise (Space Spores of Happiness)
The Alternative Factor (What of Lazarus),
Catspaw (Halloween),
Metamorphosis (Zeffram Cochrane was from Alpha Centauri, you know).

But I get to see a lot of things I had forgotten, especially some of the dialog, B-plots, etc.

I am loving the remastered effects. The planets, etc.

I purchased the Blu TOS remastered set. I still need to watch a bunch of the extras, but that requires paying attention, while (in general) watching the episodes doesn't.

I need to do the same with TNG, soon. I know the Blu S2 had a ton of extra stuff that didn't make it into Measure of a Man.

The other thing any die hard Trekkie needs to see, which may have passed under their radar, is Chaos on the Bridge. Its a Shatner narrated documentary about the messed up things that happened behind the scenes of TNG making S1 and S2. This is an eye opening must see.

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I'll probably do the same with TNG next. That means a ton of TNG S1 drek I haven't seen in ages. Actually that's not quite true. S1 of TNG can be quite revealing for watching the character development, but S1 is by far the least watched season for us.

Of the ST series we watch (as listed above), DS9 is probably the worst for casual viewing since it shifted into Dominion War arcs and so much stuff is in sequence. By and large you can skip around in TOS, TNG, VOY with no consequences, aside from any related 2 parters. When we watch ENT, I have recently been focusing on the S4 multi-parters, with a few here and there classics from S1-S3. Not really a fan of the Zindi war arc.

I have done a few google searches and look up all the top Garrack episodes of DS9 and we starting watching those. That is a blast.

Especially the lies...
 
That, of course, pales to how many shuttles they went through. :p

What was it, something like 10 shuttles lost? I feel like they should have just had the crew steal / trade for some alien shuttles during the series and use those, that would have been an easy fix. Though it doesn't bother me that much.

For the torpedoes, IIRC there is some small print in the canon technical manuals that states Voyager can actually manufacture new torpedoes from raw materials gathered from planets. Which does contradict a line in the show, but that line can be retconned in various ways...

I'll probably do the same with TNG next. That means a ton of TNG S1 drek I haven't seen in ages. Actually that's not quite true. S1 of TNG can be quite revealing for watching the character development, but S1 is by far the least watched season for us.

I recently went back for my third full run through TNG, followed by some random episode re-watching. S1 is weird. It feels very TOS at times - not just the plots, alien of the week, and lines - also the directing and even the lighting. But if you squint a bit you can see some of what came after that really made the series.

One thing I love about S1 that died alongside many of the early features of the show is the soundtrack. It was way more flagrantly 1980s synth-heavy than later series and I think it's great. YMMV.

I watched it all in order except for the worst episodes. I think Code of Honor was the last of the whole series I watched. And woof, that one...you really don't need to see it unless you're really trying to watch them all.

Of the ST series we watch (as listed above), DS9 is probably the worst for casual viewing since it shifted into Dominion War arcs and so much stuff is in sequence. By and large you can skip around in TOS, TNG, VOY with no consequences, aside from any related 2 parters. When we watch ENT, I have recently been focusing on the S4 multi-parters, with a few here and there classics from S1-S3. Not really a fan of the Zindi war arc.

Yeah, you can't skip around in DS9 unless you have a truly encyclopedic knowledge of the series. I am currently on my third full run though that. It's been fabulous apart from the dark timeline alternate universe episodes (just my opinion - I love the TOS episode that started it all, but I am so glad they avoided doing those in TNG). TBH the lack of an HD remaster isn't a problem for me, though if they ever change their minds and do one I will buy it. TOS and TNG look fantastic in HD.
 
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Annoyingly the photos are too big to post here. Maybe I should open a photo bucket (is that still a thing)?
In a related note.

There was an extra box at the front door yesterday.

Says Lego on a label.

Huh, must be one of the big new expensive sets.

Says Razor Crest!!!

Yeah. UPS misdelivered the $599 sold out Razor Crest to me.

The model number was also on the label on the outside of the shipping box.

shopping


I tried dropping it off at their house yesterday, no luck. I'll hit up a nearby UPS location today.
 
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Is this a LEGO? is so, why is it so grey? My som has been eyeing some of these, but at their pricing, no thanks, and they are large, you need to devote some space to them.
There is some color. I actually find it funny how they hide the colorful pieces inside the build though.
 
$599????? Shaka, when the walls fell....

That has to be what the purchaser is saying right now.

Definitely marked up, if MSRP is $399. They are basing it on demand and that there are none in stock anywhere.. in short, they're flipping.

If this were based on something already discontinued, then I could see that price. For example, Lego Voltron, NIB, is pushing $700 on eBay. Retail for it was $299.

BL.
 
Is this a LEGO? is so, why is it so grey? My som has been eyeing some of these, but at their pricing, no thanks, and they are large, you need to devote some space to them.

LEGO was near bankruptcy at one point, but their pivot to the IP licensing game saved the company, and made it the most valuable toy company in the world.

I wouldn't pay hundreds of dollars for a set either, but many, many people do, and the collector culture is strong as well.
 
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