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Star Trek: Alpha to Delta Quadrants & Everything In Between
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There was a great seen in ENT S4E7 that explains some of what you are saying.Vulcan HC saw something in us as a species that bore out to be true to a degree. The gamble pays off by the 23rd, certainly 24th century. Honeypot for the win.
Hahah, apologies if I started something, but we’ve been arguing this for twenty years. 🤣
I should add that, whatever one argues about Jolene Blalock’s figure vis a vis Vulcans, or the way her character is written, I do think that her interpretation of T’Pol is well acted. She does a good job with the material she was given.
But the debate over T’pol’s
‘augmentation’ will rumble on. I don’t think you see any other form of Vulcan body modification elsewhere in the canon…..?
But the debate over T’pol’s
‘augmentation’ will rumble on. I don’t think you see any other form of Vulcan body modification elsewhere in the canon…..?
If it wasn't for Spock or Tuvok, T'pol would have been my favorite Vulcan in trek. Blalock did a heck of a job with the character, kind of like Jeri Ryan and 7 of 9.
She was Irish so it’s really 7 O’9.
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If one is near a mall that has a Lego store, drop by and check out the Enterprise. A little pricey but also its huge in size.
https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/...FC-AffiliateUS-oelFIBIMgTk-3011275-1689973-10
If one is near a mall that has a Lego store, drop by and check out the Enterprise. A little pricey but also its huge in size.
If you happened to get it the week of and after Black Friday, you got a bonus: Shuttlecraft Onikuza, with Ensign Ro Laren.
BL.
I'd love to see a Lego set with a super intelligent Reginald Barclay in the hollodeck with laser beams coming out of his head That would be a cool build.
That would be a cool build.
Nothing more than Vulcan biology - enlarged mammary glands via the hormonal expression of Vulcan ovulation. lol
And Yes, Blalock crushed the character IMO - one of my favorite crew characters in ENT.
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a harsh commentary on Starfleet Academy. I think he's correct on a number of points, though I don't subscribe to Paramount+ so its not a show that I'll have the ability to see anyways
Well, since it's not released for another month - and a show about Starfleet Academy - I think The Critical Drinker have drunk a bit too much on this occasion to be able to conclude so firmly... </rolling my eyes>
That said, I'm not 100% sure - based on the trailers so far - that I'll enjoy it, either...
I think his points about who is this show directed towards is spot on. high school teen angst sort of plots will not interest the traditional star trek fan, and sci-fi shows generally don't interest teens/young adults. I have no dog in this race, so I don't care one way or another.
I also agree on one of his side notes, why is every starship so easily destroyed/impaired by enemies? Its not just these streaming shows, the STNG movies were always doing this to the Enterprise.
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Drinker will come out and say if he was wrong when the show is released and if he watches. He is the most honest reviewer in my opinion and find I am mostly in line with his views on movies. I have not watched the trailers for this new series, I have zero hope in them though as I think Star Trek is just a huge missed opportunity for actually good sci-fi. Everything is too convenient when it is needed and lacks humanity that I find believable. I loved it as a kid but don't hold the same views now. I have watched every episode of the original series up to Voyager and most of the prequel one, can't remember the name, it was the first enterprise ship in space one.Well, since it's not released for another month - and a show about Starfleet Academy - I think The Critical Drinker have drunk a bit too much on this occasion to be able to conclude so firmly... </rolling my eyes>
That said, I'm not 100% sure - based on the trailers so far - that I'll enjoy it, either...
I got it put together last night, will post some pictures later.
https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/...FC-AffiliateUS-oelFIBIMgTk-3011275-1689973-10
If one is near a mall that has a Lego store, drop by and check out the Enterprise. A little pricey but also its huge in size.
Enterprise (later Star Trek: Enterprise).
As to Starfleet Academy, I am not expecting miracles, but I expect much of the "discourse" will be centered around the current culture war and which side one stands upon, so I won't be giving it any thought so it will not influence my view of it once I start watching. If I find it acceptable (or even like it), I will continue to watch it. If not, then I will just wait for Season 4 of Strange New Worlds.
Andor proved that dramatic story-telling set in a science fiction world can resonate with the general public (even if the show's overall numbers showed most of the general public didn't watch it, they did at least knew of it). That happened because the show was made (relatively) independent of Kathleen Kennedy's oversight. I had heard Akiva Goldsman was going to be stepping down as overall Star Trek showrunner in the near term so if it happens, perhaps Skydance/Paramount will take a chance on something similar set in the Star Trek universe.
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That said, I'm not 100% sure - based on the trailers so far - that I'll enjoy it, either...
I have pretty low expectations. It comes across as a YA serial. I’m not the target demographic.
I really don't know what has happened to the franchise. IMHO, The five TV series from TOS to ENT were fantastic. They did about 26 episodes per season over about 28 seasons, cumulatively. Almost (there were a few turkeys) any one of those episodes were better than modern Trek. SNW is the only one that comes close. Otherwise, they have lost the key elements;
- Hopeful view of the future of mankind
- Difficult ethical dilemmas that touch on current events but don't beat you silly with it
- Fit and disciplined star fleet officers that radiate a sense of purpose. These are academy graduates that were supposed to be the best of the best, both intelligent and physically fit. Folks that had to pass survival training to qualify (see Archer and Tucker discussing it in Desert Crossing)! And yes, many were attractive people.
- Interesting scientific themes and plots that did not get in the way of character development without an over reliance on distracting special effects.
- Fascinating cultures and races from other planets.
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I liked Star Trek because of the space ships, holo decks and lasers. When I was younger you could give me any story and I would like it as long as it had elements of those mixed in, it did really matter what the story was. As I have gotten older and have watched the seasons I watched when I was younger I realized how bad these shows are simply because there is no real cohesive universe that makes sense. First off the lack of any currency system at all makes zero sense. People are corrupted by power in Star Fleet but yet they have completely gotten rid of greed all together. The tech itself is used conveniently to solve problems just in time when it is needed. Even little things like Nog from DS9 getting into Star Fleet. That is really like joining the US Army while not being a US citizen and actually being a citizen of China. Things would just not operate that way. They had plenty of options to actually go deep with character development but everything is very surface level and basic.
You could then look at the ending of Voyager. Another go back in time and save everyone story. Except the consequences are glossed over or completely ignored. This would have made it interesting struggling with the idea that you the captain is literally going to have billions or more potentially lose their lives by altering the timeline because you want to save a few people on your crew. There is so much more but I am far to wordy as it is already.
I honestly don't know why Star Trek has developed the fan base it has. I could sit and watch every episode of the series I grew up with and just rip it apart for various different reasons. And this is not because I have above average human intelligence (I don't), it is because it is just really bad and lazy writing with no real desire to build a cohesive world.
Is that a Jem Hadar in Starfleet? So Starfleet Medical somehow cured the Jem Hadar of the "white" addiction and modified them to reproduce? All the Jem Hadar in DS9 were created and male.
Every ship not named Voyager. Enterprise-D needed an overhaul at a starbase every season. Voyager fought off countless enemy ships--including a Borg Tactical cube🤨--and ended the season in near mint condition.😏
The Trek universe is not for everyone. All I can say in response is that Trek fans would generally acknowledge the weaknesses you point out (even some of the writers have done so). The difference between you and the people who like the series is, we don't see those shortcomings as outweighing the overall world-building that we see happening, and you do.
And that's fine. It's an exercise in imagination. Not everyone will be entertained or willing to suspend their disbelief.
This is it. Hits it perfectly. Star Trek universe didn't have to be perfect (few universes are). The idea that we bettered ourselves and were seeking to grow our intellect by helping others and discovering the undiscovered resonated with me as a young kid. It's what I wanted to be/do when I grew up.
Star Trek is what got me into tech. I admired Spock and Data. I actually programmed, as a young kid, ai subroutines in C++ code trying to write my own EMH. lol.
Modern Star Trek doesn't even try to hold true to Star Trek lore - it throws canon in the dirt and re-writes it using lazy writing (the very definition of - Picard season 1-2) - re: Lazy Writing comment post from above.
It is 100% thanks to Star Trek: The Next Generation. *
* - Even if, like myself, you are old enough to have started with TOS and the early movies, TNG is what really energized me to become an active fan.
That is what I started watching. But watching as an adult has me less than thrilled. It is more nostalgic than anything else now. I am old enough to see all the holes and how non of it makes sense. I guess they get you hooked when you are young and many are just ok accepting the subpar writing. Would love if they just erased everything that has been done under the Star Trek name and literally started from scratch. The overall concept is great, just need actual talented writers to make something out of it.
Isn't that with everything tho? I'm 40 now. I watch stuff I really liked as a young kid and most of it is pretty weak, with lots of logic holes, and I often have more questions than when I started. lol. Some of the sci fi shows of the 90s were major WTF. lol.
That said, there's a book: Star Trek - Science Logs by Andre Bormanis (Links to Amazon) that's really fun to read. There's a lot that went into the science of Star Trek.
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