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I've had no problems upgrading to Snow Leopard except that EyeTV2 is incompatible with it. And rather than releasing a compatibility update they (Elgato) force you to buy their latest version. **** move for an app just a couple of years old. Oh well that's another topic 
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CS3 was okay under SL though I'm now running CS4.
.CS3 was okay under SL though I'm now running CS4.
Whats everyones problem with Cider ?
Haven't had a single problem with professionally cidered games yet,
except those fishy, self-made ports that you find at filesharing sites...
Haven't had a single problem with professionally cidered games yet,
except those fishy, self-made ports that you find at filesharing sites...
They definitely run fine, but if you played the same game in Boot Camp, you would get a much higher frame rate. It's just a lazy way for developers to make Mac games without spending any time on it, meaning we get a lot worse performance.
Eg, I've read people playing a Cider port on Mac at about medium, and getting a bad frame rate. Then playing in Boot Camp, being able to play on High with a perfect frame rate.
Yep - so not only do we get the WORST DRM EVER ... it is just a Cider-ized port ...
You obviously haven't played NWN2 on the Mac ...
But as said, Cider games *always* perform worse than native games - they HAVE TO, as it is the nature of adding a compatibility/translation layer. Some do very well, others are crap.
You obviously haven't played NWN2 on the Mac ...
Neverwinter Nights 2 is NO Cider port, its a native Mac game... but thanks.
Performance. You lose performance whenever something is transcoded/emulated or whatever term they're using. So a PC version would run at a higher resolution, have better graphics capabilities whilst on the same hardware.
Personally I'd never buy a Cider game.
Still wondering if they will only sell native games or if they will sell cider ports too... Let's hope for native only, if they did that they could really revive Mac gaming...
If they sell Cider too it'll probably be popular for a year or so and then die a slow death over the next 3 or so years... The kind nobody pays attention to, except for maybe a blog post or two the day it actually shuts down...
PLEASE Valve give us native only!
If they sell Cider too it'll probably be popular for a year or so and then die a slow death over the next 3 or so years... The kind nobody pays attention to, except for maybe a blog post or two the day it actually shuts down...
PLEASE Valve give us native only!
I played a few cider games at university.
Not that I remember much about them obviously
oops different cider
While I was only earlier interested to Steam going onto the Mac because of the community features (Chat, community/groups, ...) that would be available soon, I have to agree with the statement above.
Cider Ports apparently run slow and are inefficient, according to some people, and I find that my Mac runs games better in Mac than PC (When it's native.)
Does anyone think that upcoming games such as R.U.S.E.™ or the currently released Assassin's Creed 2 will make it on the Mac as a native game?
I've been thinking/wondering this same question too and it hit me that is it even possible to have Cider ports in Steam? Steam games uses Steam libraries (Steamworks, I believe it's called) for various things like DRM, so is it possible to port such a game using Cider so that it still works with Steam? I would think it would need some special support from Steam and/or Cider to make it work.
What ever the case, I hope that if Cider ports makes their way to Steam, that it would be clearly mentioned in their description that the game is ported using Cider. And why not give user an option to filter out Cider ports.
Oh wow ... that is perhaps even worse, they can't even blame Cider for the abysmal performance, I guess just pure incompetence for producing one of the worst ports ever.
I was hoping that someone would have been contacted by Steam for the beta - maybe it was a closed beta ah well...
So, end of April - iPad in Europe (probably) and Steam where I can play through HL2, Ep1 and Ep2 and Portal all over again
ah well...So, end of April - iPad in Europe (probably) and Steam where I can play through HL2, Ep1 and Ep2 and Portal all over again
Yes, Cider ports will always underperform native code, but a lot of you are confused as to the economics of porting from one platform to another.
Get used to the idea of Ciderized games.
I played a few cider games at university.
Not that I remember much about them obviously
oops different cider
oo-ar indeed
All ciderized games I bought and own work just fine on my Mac... highest settings and resolutions...
But maybe thats because I have a Mac Pro with a GTX 285...
To be fair, although NWN2 was a crap port, it also had pretty poor performance on many PC's when it was released. Unoptimized engine shoddily ported.
I suspect that Valve aren't going the Cider route (at least I hope to god they're not) but are porting the Source engine natively.
The Source engine IS natively ported, however you can be for 100% sure
that cidered games from other developers / publishers will show up
in the Steam store - and I personally have no problem with that.
that cidered games from other developers / publishers will show up
in the Steam store - and I personally have no problem with that.
Well - I think it likely depends on how Steam supports stuff, but in general I agree with your assumption.
And despite any impression to the contrary, I have played nearly all Cider games with no issues, and welcome anything that gets more games to teh Mac.
My biggest issue isn't Cider, it is with developers / publishers doing lazy ports and/or providing no after-sale support.
I've had no problems upgrading to Snow Leopard except that EyeTV2 is incompatible with it. And rather than releasing a compatibility update they (Elgato) force you to buy their latest version. **** move for an app just a couple of years old. Oh well that's another topic
CS3 was okay under SL though I'm now running CS4.
I'm glad I saw this. I'm actually still using EyeTV 1.8.6 with the original EyeTV USB! I'm going to be getting one of those 27" iMacs any day now which will upgrade me from Leopard to Snow Leopard in the process. While it's a little disappointing I can't really complain because nothing lasts forever. Been using this for 8 years. Guess it's time to upgrade that too.
For the record I've had almost no issues with Cider ports and I'd expect them to be around for the foreseeable future, including on Steam (from 3rd parties).
-PN
I bought 2 Cider games when EA released their Mac ports, C&C 3 and Battlefield 2142. Both ran like crap on my iMac with 4 Gb RAM and ATI HD 2600 Pro. I've also tried some others, like Warhammer Online and it was quite bad as well.
I guess you can play them if you have a top of the line Mac, but that leaves most customers out. I won't spend any more money on lazy cider ports. Kudos to Valve for doing it natively.
I guess you can play them if you have a top of the line Mac, but that leaves most customers out. I won't spend any more money on lazy cider ports. Kudos to Valve for doing it natively.
I have not tried C&C3, but RA3 (which I believe is a new, more graphic intensive game) runs at full on my MBP, on battery nearly 2 hours which is crap battery life but running a game I dont think is that bad.