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These numbers are always so large they are meaningless. It's no measure of the person just the business entity that holds their name.

What I'd like to really see is Annualized Return on Investment.
Take their net wealth at say 18 and now what is the average growth in their stock. That would be a real measure of smarts.
 
However, it wouldn't surprise me, 30 or 40 years from now, (30,000 or 40,000 'computer years') that Steve Jobs will be featured prominently in many history books under the headings of 'Innovation' and 'User Interface'.

It would surprise me.

I'd expect to see Jonathan Ive and Jeff Han featured under "innovation", and Steve Jobs under "egomaniacal bastards".
 
Who's the other 42? Corrupt CEO's working with the slimy CIA's? I am hating the world even more as I live/die.
 
How do you figure? I love SJ and all, but over the next 10 years

I don't think the commenter is taking it into account but what you are outlooking is that Gates is transferring many billions per year over to the Gates Foundation. ( just as Buffet is also). Kind of like an ultra-mega-super-duper reverse mortgage. By the time Gates dies he should down to a "few" billion. (if he lives a average lifetime. )

His Foundation can only choke down so much money at a time since his wealthy locked up in a highly skewed portfolio ( vast majority of that is microsoft stock/options/etc. ) Gates and Buffet are not going to leave the bulk of their wealth to their heirs. I don't think their heirs are every going to be on public assistance but they are likely not going to join the Walton heirs on that wealthiest list after those two pass on.

Given Jobs relative health problems he has a higher likelihood of dying sooner than Bufffet or Gates. However, he seems to be sitting on all of his money. Once get into the double digit billions going to take years to give it away in a non disruptive fashion when it is invested in a skewed portfolio.

With Jobs it may as much be about control. Being Disney's largest stockholder allows him to come in and kick execs in the shins if he really thinks they are out of line. Likewise. remember Jobs was kicked out of Apple previously. With substantive amounts of leverage in company can push back (although hand picking your board helps too. ) or at least have the kernel of the amount needed to start a proxy battle.














P.S. There was another post that Gates only recently started giving his money away since dropping CEO (he is still Chairman ) . That's isn't true. Again even transfering at 3-5 billion a year will take a while for Gates to push the bulk of his money into the foundation. He has been at it for a while. When Buffet decided to do the same thing into the same foundation .... it is an even bigger problem to responsibly (tackle significant, systemic, problems ) hand the money out.
 
So is Windows7 v2 or v3 of Longhornish OS?

It's not "v3", it's "sp3"... ;)

Seriously though, the "Microsoft gets it right on v3" is mostly relevant for new technologies. Windows 7 is not a new technology - it's an update to Vista/XP/Win2000/WinNT4/WindNT3.51/WinNT3.1 that's too big for a service pack.

You won't be laughing by the end of November when the marketshare indicators show that Windows 7 has more users than all versions of Apple OS combined.

But then, the "failed" Vista has more than three times the number of users of Apple OS....
 
Couldn't agree more.

Gary Kildall got royally screwed as a result of these underhanded and unscrupulous acts of sleazery - and so the predatory ball got rolling in Redmond.
I assume you do know that IBM actually went to Intergalactic Digital Research for their operating system needs, and after they were snubbed by the Kildalls, they then went to Microsoft, right?

Microsoft actually had nothing to do with the demise of IDR. In the early 80s when IBM was working on the PC, they wanted to get the total package (language+operating system) from Microsoft, but they soon found Microsoft only did languages. Kildall had the opportunity to provide IBM with CP/M, but there was so much legal litigation that IBM killed off the deal.

MS-DOS was actually based on QDOS, an OS written by Tim Patterson of Seattle Computer Products. It was very similar to CP/M, but not 100% identical.
 
50 billion huh? And yet his company still continues to turn out some of the crappiest software available. M$ is the McDonalds of the computer world, with one exception, their stuff ain't that cheap.

LanPhantom

I lol'd.

Microsoft Office, Microsoft Exchange Server, Live Communication Server, Windows Seven, Sharepoint server, Silverlight, Visual Studio, Rise of Empires, Rise of Nations and MS Flight Simulator would like to have a word with you. :rolleyes:

Hating ms is the cool and hip thing among apple users. go ahead, carry on, just don't talk things you have no idea about.

Also, what does this topic has to do with Microsoft or Bill Gates?
 
I'll just take a million

Now that's a stimulus package!

Really if Bill Gates wanted to really enhance the lives of his fellow countrymen, the man who gave us the "BSOD" and other computing aggravations should make restitution by giving every American one million dollars. There's what 308,000,000.00 people in the US currently, so that will still leave him a very wealthy man. :D
 
Microsoft Office, Microsoft Exchange Server, Live Communication Server, Windows Seven, Sharepoint server, Silverlight, Visual Studio, Rise of Empires, Rise of Nations and MS Flight Simulator would like to have a word with you. :rolleyes:

I could add those Microsoft mouses and keyboards that are attached to so many Apples - but the OP did say "software".

And you didn't mention Windows Server 200x xx - another superb product.
 
Really if Bill Gates wanted to really enhance the lives of his fellow countrymen, the man who gave us the "BSOD" and other computing aggravations should make restitution by giving every American one million dollars. There's what 308,000,000.00 people in the US currently, so that will still leave him a very wealthy man. :D
If you knew anything, you'd know that the BSOD, though annoying, is actually very useful because it gives you all the diagnostics you need to fix the problem. Unlike Mac OS X's pretty kernel panics, which tell you nothing.
 
I could add those Microsoft mouses and keyboards that are attached to so many Apples - but the OP did say "software".

And you didn't mention Windows Server 200x xx - another superb product.
Did you forget where you are? Microsoft is an evil corporation on this board, and everything they do is evil and horrible. Bill Gates is the anti-Christ.

Remember: Here, if Microsoft does it, it's bad. If Apple does it, it's the most wonderful thing to ever happen to the universe.
 
Good for those who made the list.

SJ definitely moved up a bit from 178 to 43.

BG in the top spot is no surprise. Number 2, WB is interesting since he made his wealth through investing and AFAIK, has invested in non-tech stocks. This may have changed in the past few years as I haven't followed him that closely.

The Walton clan (Wal-Mart) is also interesting:
- 21,500 --> Christy Walton & Family
- 19,600 --> Jim Walton
- 19,300 --> Alice Walton
- 19,000 --> S. Robson Walton
- 2,900 --> Ann Walton Kroenke
- 2,600 --> Nancy Walton Laurie

Total for the Walton family --> 84.9 Billion. Not bad at all. :)
 
Good for those who made the list.

SJ definitely moved up a bit from 178 to 43.

BG in the top spot is no surprise. Number 2, WB is interesting since he made his wealth through investing and AFAIK, has invested in non-tech stocks. This may have changed in the past few years as I haven't followed him that closely.

The Walton clan (Wal-Mart) is also interesting:
- 21,500 --> Christy Walton & Family
- 19,600 --> Jim Walton
- 19,300 --> Alice Walton
- 19,000 --> S. Robson Walton
- 2,900 --> Ann Walton Kroenke
- 2,600 --> Nancy Walton Laurie

Total for the Walton family --> 84.9 Billion. Not bad at all. :)

So, is it even remotely possible to marry a Walton?
 
we need more billionaires in the russian mold. those guys know how to enjoy their money instead of just sitting on it.

Russia is home to 32 billionaires, March 2009

I can just imagine what connections some of them have in crime and government. Their lives are probably like a bad movie and worse.

if i had 40 billion dollars i sure as hell wouldnt be tooling around omaha in a freaking ford focus.

Maybe not a Focus, but there's much to be said for keeping a low profile. Many armored cars are given a cheap shell, like that of a Focus, to blend in with us stinking, unworthy common people on public roads.
 
Kildall had the opportunity to provide IBM with CP/M, but there was so much legal litigation that IBM killed off the deal.

Not really....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kildall#IBM_dealings

I boils down to MS was willing to let IBM push them around because they were gambling that clones would show up and then they would get their shot at less crappy deals. They did and won big.

At the time IDR was the big player in the OS market. Even so, they were almost in IBM's roundoff error in terms in revenue. Signing a lopside NDA (we get to take any of your info, but you get none of ours), was a leap they just didn't take. [ If there were cell phones and secure web confernecing around back then they might have had less of a disconnect. ] After IBM going toe-to-toe with the US Govt for extended period of time can let slide on not going to court (again these days they just would have sued IBM and MS on the clone they had.). However, the ball breaker was $40 vs. $240 ... which one would you buy?? Shades of Snow Leoopard pricing versus Ultra-super-duper Windows 7 ...... without all of the legacy application leverage that Windows has.
 
I assume you do know that IBM actually went to Intergalactic Digital Research for their operating system needs, and after they were snubbed by the Kildalls, they then went to Microsoft, right?

Microsoft actually had nothing to do with the demise of IDR. In the early 80s when IBM was working on the PC, they wanted to get the total package (language+operating system) from Microsoft, but they soon found Microsoft only did languages. Kildall had the opportunity to provide IBM with CP/M, but there was so much legal litigation that IBM killed off the deal.

MS-DOS was actually based on QDOS, an OS written by Tim Patterson of Seattle Computer Products. It was very similar to CP/M, but not 100% identical.
No, not 100% identical, but close enough. Patterson's Quick and Dirty Operating System was just that, a hacked and hashed together hodgepodge originally for SCP's Intel 8086-based computer kit. FYI, Seattle Computer Products later sued Microsoft for concealing its relationship with IBM, in order to purchase the OS cheaply, for which SCP received a 1 million dollar settlement.

Actually, Bill Gates never once claimed to have any kind of operating system. IBM mistakenly believed that Microsoft had both languages and an operating system, but Microsoft was very clear they only did languages. It was only when Gary Kildall's company dropped the opportunity to work with IBM that Microsoft bought QDOS from Seattle Computer Products and reworked into the first version of MS-DOS.
- which was undeniably a CP/M clone. When Kildall threatened to sue IBM, IBM responded with a proposal to offer CP/M-86 as an option for the PC in return for a release of liability, which Kildall mistakenly accepted. However, when the IBM PC was introduced, IBM sold its OS as an unbundled, but necessary option. One of the OS options was PC-DOS, priced at $40. CP/M-86 shipped a few months later, priced at $240, and sold poorly against PC-DOS. One can only wonder why.
 
Can't stop progress

Geeze, all the butt hurt around here about Bill Gates is astonishing. Did he personally kill all of your pets or something?

People don't appreciate what Microsoft has done for the business world. I use Microsft windows in my day job and macs at home. I don't love my Windows PC but I don't have as much problems as I used too. I can appreciate what Bill Gates did for the PC world. It wasn't perfect but he got his edge and ran with it to the bank. But I don't believe that Bill's focus was on the money. That was an result of doing what he liked to do. Steve Jobs is the same way. The biggest difference between Bill & Steve is quality control going out the door. And innovation. MSFT is innovative but they approach innovation in a anti-climatic way. And the innovation is ordinary (like the table top interface thing).

Now Apple is not brave enough to step too far into the professional space. I had an Apple support tech tell me that they consider their computers to be personal and not for business work. This was when I was calling for support on accessing an FTP site that airport base station was blocking somehow. That was a disappointing response but it does enforce Apples narrow view of the space they play in. I think Windows views their computers being used primmarily for business and personal secondary. Two completely different philosophies.
 
If you knew anything, you'd know that the BSOD, though annoying, is actually very useful because it gives you all the diagnostics you need to fix the problem. Unlike Mac OS X's pretty kernel panics, which tell you nothing.


You are right, if I knew anything...

Not being a computer tech person myself or knowing the A-Z history of Microsoft and what they produced, let me tell you what I DO KNOW...

My first Mac I purchased along with a friend in CompUSA back in Aug 1995. What's special about that date? Windows 95 came out at midnight. My friend convinced me to buy Mac instead of PC mainly because she and her husband said all their friends that had PC's used them as basic paperweights because they didn't know how to get the best use out of them as say someone like you. And judging from the mad rush and throngs of people buying an OS at midnight so that they could experience something better, leads me to believe the advice my friend gave me was correct.

Lets fast forward thirteen years to Christmas 2008 shall we...

My neighbor's girlfriend got a PC laptop last Christmas. Brought it home and there it sat because even with the 4 GB RAM, the thing was slow as molasses with all that bloatware and other junk. I asked why not get rid of it, and clean it up. She replied, my brother's better at doing that than I, so I'll let him take care of it when I go back home for Christmas (she being on the east coast, family on the west coast). One - this would definitely be a premiere ad for Apple to run regarding MS laptop hunter ads. Two - she may have been lazy or just the thought of having to mess with the system gave her worries of doing something wrong and making a bad situation worse as opposed to, oh call me crazy, something working correctly right out of the box. I guess we are back to that "PC users used them as paperweights because they didn't know how to get the best use out of them as say someone like you." idea.

Let's go to near present day, shall we...

Another neighbor down the road, her son visited an ESPN website and some "anti-virus" company put some malware program into her system causing pop ups saying your computer is infected. Who did my friend call, a guy with a Mac to see if I could help. Being able to count the times I sat and used a PC, actually used a PC, on two hands, I went over and looked at it. I asked her to navigate to the Add/Remove application function [I'm not totally lacking Windows knowledge, I do read MacRumors :) ] Seeing that there was no actual application there to remove limited me from further help but knowing that she had talked to a friend with PC know how, I said call him. She did, and told him I was there trying to help but I'm a Mac guy to which he told her "We'll forgive him" and when she told me that, I said "Hey, who is over who's house, trying to fix who's computer?!" Anyway, he told her to go to the Add/Remove function also, to which I grinned at my friend, he came up empty handed, but he said the next day he could help get rid of it by giving her a program to run, however, the infestation was a time limited virus and it went away on its own. Real nice of a anti-virus software company infecting your computer and then enticing you to spend money to buy their online service to get rid of what they just installed. Fortunately, me and my Mac never experienced that.

In fact, the four Macs I owned since August 1995, I filled them up with a bunch of stuff... photos, letters, documents, visited tons of website, e-mails, even purchased a WYSIWYG accounting software (bigbusiness.com) and helped my friends with their business selling a 'learning English' program from the UK (Letterland.com) to the public schools across the USA, you know the stuff PC users do and never in my four computer usage did I ever have to worry about any of my Macs "pretty kernel panics"! Not saying it doesn't happen and that it doesn't exist, just telling you my run in's with PC and my Mac! Go Apple! :apple: :cool:
 
Not really....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kildall#IBM_dealings

I boils down to MS was willing to let IBM push them around because they were gambling that clones would show up and then they would get their shot at less crappy deals. They did and won big.

At the time IDR was the big player in the OS market. Even so, they were almost in IBM's roundoff error in terms in revenue. Signing a lopside NDA (we get to take any of your info, but you get none of ours), was a leap they just didn't take. [ If there were cell phones and secure web confernecing around back then they might have had less of a disconnect. ] After IBM going toe-to-toe with the US Govt for extended period of time can let slide on not going to court (again these days they just would have sued IBM and MS on the clone they had.). However, the ball breaker was $40 vs. $240 ... which one would you buy?? Shades of Snow Leoopard pricing versus Ultra-super-duper Windows 7 ...... without all of the legacy application leverage that Windows has.

I find it hilarious when you guys actually use the "Snow leopard is $30 and W7 is $200" argument, since it isn't a secret that Apple computers are way more expensive than their PC counterparts.
 
While I'm no Microsoft fan, I wouldn't call Gates a nothing. He has personally given $35 billion to charity over 8 years. Jobs doesn't contribute much if anything.

Why does charity deem the value of ones person? What does that say for those who accept large sums of money? Apparently, by this logic, they are the dregs of society? What an interesting thought process. Oh, wait the needy are really good people too? So what about all of us that work hard to feed our families and enjoy our own lives the way we deserve? I guess we're neither needy nor charity givers, so we're bad people. WTH. Charity is absolutely no measure of a human's worth.
 
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