I agree with you. We should give credit where credit is due. Old Bill Gates gives a lot of money for research in many areas, and humanity at large is better off by this.
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I agree with you. We should give credit where credit is due. Old Bill Gates gives a lot of money for research in many areas, and humanity at large is better off by this.
Yours is an interesting though process actually.
Charity by itself does not define someone's worth. In fact, I don't believe you can possibly measure a human's worth.
But, doing things that will ultimately help people, that's something.
Sorry, no. Apple is worth a buttload more than 5 billion. That is what Steve's stock portfolio, house , car, etc is worth. There is no company bearing his name. Same goes with Bill Gates for that matter.
Which will not come close to putting a small dent in the hundreds of billions
of dollars lost in downtime due to running his half-baked OS and software:
Reliability, or Lack Thereof
Had number 33 from the list in the office today. VERY compassionate couple!
Looking to grant $ for education. Much respect!!
Looking to grant $ for education. Much respect!!
It just funny that people don't mind paying astronomical prices for software that is crippled unless you drop some serious dime.
most everyone in this thread seems to be missing the point. Steve Jobs is worth X amount. Great, now why are we arguing over abolutely NOTHING?
how does every thread on macrumors turn into a apple vs. _____. Instead of , oh wow that's cool, and moving on with your day?
you people are crazed.
how does every thread on macrumors turn into a apple vs. _____. Instead of , oh wow that's cool, and moving on with your day?
you people are crazed.
Which had absolutely nothing to do with THAT post.
Congratulations, you did it again, turning a conversation into a meaningless "DEATH TO MS" troll.
Either way. As I said, Exchange + Live Communications Server + Sharepoint + Windows Server is a killer combination that cannot be topped by anything in the market.
Perhaps. I generally view big-philanthropy with suspicion, because they are only giving to causes deemed worthy in their own narrow perspective. The causes are typically vague like "education" or "violence prevention". The singular outcome always seems to be increased political power for themselves, and exasperation of the stated issue, if it ever even existed.
Still, sometimes a gift is just a gift.
"But, doing things that will ultimately help people, that's something." Just who was this statement pertaining to? Is this an attempt to justify someone's
unethical, predatory, and admittedly sloppy product standards?" Yes, it may be something, but it hardly negates the losses his crapware has continually created for thousands of companies per year.
We have problems with Exchange, Office 2007, XP, Vista, and and IE8, on a daily basis.
giving people AIDS medication and mosquito nets so they don't get Malaria sounds pretty important to me. i'm sure the people on the recieving end dont give a crap about your trivial arguments, where it came from or how it got there.
Who could ever oppose such a thing?
Ask no more questions -- just believe that AIDS and malaria will be gone very soon...
Also, philanthropy is a HUGE catch-22. We criticize them if they give to charity (ulterior motives, taxes, publicity etc.) and damn them if they don't give to charity at all, we also assume they don't give to charity if its not publicized. so everyone basically needs to step down from their soapboxes and give it up
All you Microsoft haters sound like you're just jealous of success. I'll never understand the mentality. They're obviously making money, and they're obviously in the marketshare majority, and that seems to be working out just fine for them. Apple's marketshare may be growing, but it still pales in comparison to Redmond. Not that marketshare is good or bad, but seriously, you guys are ridiculous. "Microsoft is McDonalds and makes crap software" "Bill Gates is a nobody." Listen, I'm a Mac user to the bone, but please just look at the facts. Bill Gates donates TONS of money to charity organizations, including his own, and has been greatly participating in philanthropy. That's much much much more than I can say for Steve Jobs, as much as you'd like to think he's godlike or something...
i'm not sure if you're trying to be snide or not, but
A. it's actually a serious issue that is bigger than whatever love affair you have with a person whom you've never met.
B. you all took this simple statement of SJ's net worth and made it about bill gates
Define helping people. It's not an easy thing to do. And once again, if sacrifice is a measure of worth, then what is the measure of worth for those that are deemed in need of sacrifice?
Answer me this:
Why is it immoral for me to earn things of value by my own intellect, and use it for my own pleasure, yet moral for me to give it away to those who did not earn it? It is moral for those to accept my donation and gift and enjoy it. The entire concept is flawed by it's very nature. If I am selfless and virtuous to give, are those not selfish and vicious who accept it? Why is it not moral to keep a value, yet moral for others to accept it? This creed serves the purpose of those who wish us to accept it. Politicians and religions all live by this mantra. It's damning really. It is immoral to live by your own effort, yet moral to live by the effort of others. Evil to profit by achievement but good to to enjoy it at the price of the sweat of others. Immoral or greedy to earn, but
moral to mooch. If I am successful, I am a slave to those who have failed. To summarize, who deems who is in needy of help? There will always be those who are needier than I. There will always be those with more than I. What pleasure in life can I rightfully accept, and what debt do I owe to others?
</Ayn Rand inspired rant>
dude don't you get it? bill gates is NOT steve jobs, he is a competitor, therefore he is inherently evil. nothing he could ever do could be seen in a positive light by such rabid fanboys, just don't waste your breath trying to reason with these kids
Does Microsoft makes computers? When they do we'll debate what they charge for them.
So how much does a Dell Octo-Core Xeon cost these days?
Luckily for Steve Jobs he doesn't have a nagging wife telling him to do more charity work simply to improve his public image like Bill Gates does. Plus Steve Jobs already has a much better public image than Greedy Gates anyway.
You are so right, the foundation of OS X is much more original....
Yep. What is now called Mac OS "Classic" definitely is more original.
Not to mention that Bill Gates has no doubt been paid some over-bloated obscene salary for decades while Steve Jobs has been working for just "$1 a year" (ignoring that both of them got stock as well).
Luckily for Steve Jobs he doesn't have a nagging wife telling him to do more charity work simply to improve his public image like Bill Gates does. Plus Steve Jobs already has a much better public image than Greedy Gates anyway.
yes, because this is completely relevant
Apple doesn't want it's OS running on "virtually every PC out there" ... that's the point. Microsoft's ambition is basically "world domination" with crap software. Apple on the other hand is happy with it's tiny (but growing) slice of the pie and quality software that actually works.
As for software not working, nothing ever man made is going to be completely error-free ... God help us if Microsoft ever get their paws into self-driving cars!! The "blue screen of death" will become a reality.
Apple doesn't want it's OS running on "virtually every PC out there" ... that's the point. Microsoft's ambition is basically "world domination" with crap software. Apple on the other hand is happy with it's tiny (but growing) slice of the pie and quality software that actually works.
As for software not working, nothing ever man made is going to be completely error-free ... God help us if Microsoft ever get their paws into self-driving cars!! The "blue screen of death" will become a reality.
what does this have to do with Steve Jobs' net worth?