Students: Buy a Windows PC, get a free Xbox 360

[iTards]

Do your research before posting. Apple has been doing this promo for years and their market share has been growing for years.

1. I was using the free ipod giveaway in comparison to LTD's comparison of netbook sales and windows PC sales going down. I know what you are saying but LTD is blind. Giveaways are giveaways.

2. Do your research? Because the last quarter results clearly say that iPod sales were down by 17%. That's a very siginificant and a very high number.

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/17/mac-sales-going-strong-but-ipod-sales-down/

 

[roadbloc]

2. Do your research? Because the last quarter results clearly say that iPod sales were down by 17%. That's a very siginificant and a very high number.
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/17/mac-sales-going-strong-but-ipod-sales-down/

The way your post was phrased made it seem as though you were saying that Mac sales were down. I wonder if Apple are counting a free iPod giveaway as a sale...

 

[*LTD*]

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Do your research before posting. Apple has been doing this promo for years and their market share has been growing for years.

1. I was using the free ipod giveaway in comparison to LTD's comparison of netbook sales and windows PC sales going down. I know what you are saying but LTD is blind. Giveaways are giveaways.

2. Do your research? Because the last quarter results clearly say that iPod sales were down by 17%. That's a very siginificant and a very high number.

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/17/mac-sales-going-strong-but-ipod-sales-down/

WTF you talking about??

Of course iPod sales are down. They've been down for months, as they should be and are expected to be. Apple and the industry have moved on to iPhones and iPads - tablets and smartphones. Why do you think the Zune HD is dead? There is nothing anyone can do to achieve previous media-player record sales. The straight media-player paradigm is done. Apple still sells a lot of iPods but it'll never be like it was before. In fact Apple is now actively pushing the iPhone and iPad. Apple has naturally obsoleted their own device. This is normal.

 

[iTards]

The way your post was phrased made it seem as though you were saying that Mac sales were down. I wonder if Apple are counting a free iPod giveaway as a sale...

They would have to count it like any other company. The giveaways still cost a company x amount of $$$ and will always end up in the accounts report. No doubt that even though it was given away for free, the activation will count as well.

 

[yellow]

Give an XBox 360 to students.. the perfect way to ensure good grades!

 

[bruinsrme]

Thank you for proving my point. As a student, of course you want the free XBox.

However, there is not a chance in hell that my children will be taking an XBox to school. They are there to complete classes, get an education, and finish a degree - not to play Halo. If they want to take their own XBox, they are free to pay for their own schooling.

You sound like my wife.
I bought our son an xbox 360, 42 inch plasma, a gaming PC and a PS3.
He has a 3.55 gpa as an animation major on a trimester schedule living on his own in an apartment in Boston. Well we flip the bill of course.
He is an adult and understands his priorites.
Regardless, if he wanted to game he could simply trek across a few blocks to his friends place.
I can only assume my little fatherly chat with him 3 years ago 2 days before handing him the keys to the apartment might of actually been heard.
They have to grow up and be responsible for the actions or there lack of sometime.
There are far more distractions than an xbox.

 

[roadbloc]

iTards... first time I saw you post I thought you had some sense. Not it is clear that even *LTD* has more sense then you do.

Let's think about this for just a second shall we?

• An iPod is Apple's name for a MP3/Multimedia player.
• Phones have been coming with these capibilities for the past few years now.
• Many people have a mobile phone.
• So people buy a phone that costs a little more but has multimedia capabilities so they don't have to carry two devices round with them.

Of course iPod sales are going down!

 

[iTards]

iTards... first time I saw you post I thought you had some sense. Not it is clear that even *LTD* has more sense then you do.

Let's think about this for just a second shall we?

• An iPod is Apple's name for a MP3/Multimedia player.
• Phones have been coming with these capibilities for the past few years now.
• Many people have a mobile phone.
• So people buy a phone that costs a little more but has multimedia capabilities so they don't have to carry two devices round with them.

Of course iPod sales are going down!

Wait. When did I say that iPod sales are not going down? They are not being killed by smartphones alone but also featurephones from Nokia and Samsung. Even a basic $80 feature phone has a built in music client which is very decent and even has option for an memory card. iPod sales are suffering due to the competition, whether it's a smartphone or a featurephone.

 

[roadbloc]

Wait. When did I say that iPod sales are not going down?

You didn't. But that isn't the point. You were making out that Apple were desperately trying to keep the iPod alive by offering students one when they buy a Mac. To suggest such a thing is nonsense.

They are not being killed by smartphones alone but also featurephones from Nokia and Samsung. Even a basic $80 feature phone has a built in music client which is very decent and even has option for an memory card. iPod sales are suffering due to the competition, whether it's a smartphone or a featurephone.

I don't know about you, but I preferred to use my Walkman/iPod than my 'featurephone' at the time when both were at large. They only supported 2GB flash cards, were slow and clunky with the menus and were always always managed to read the media tag info wrong, whereas my Walkmans and iPod were designed around media and all worked perfectly. I feel it is smartphones specifically that has brought on a mobile media improvement. But that's just my opinion.

 

[rdowns]

1. I was using the free ipod giveaway in comparison to LTD's comparison of netbook sales and windows PC sales going down. I know what you are saying but LTD is blind. Giveaways are giveaways.

2. Do your research? Because the last quarter results clearly say that iPod sales were down by 17%. That's a very siginificant and a very high number.

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/17/mac-sales-going-strong-but-ipod-sales-down/

I'm an AAPL shareholder and follow them closely. Of course iPod sales are falling; it's a ten year old product coming to the end of its lifecycle with the exception of the iPod touch. We don't need MP3 players as our phones and tablets can replace them.

Even as it approaches its end of life, their iPod business, based on last quarters numbers, is still an over $6 billion a year business.

 

[bigjnyc]

Not enticing enough for me to waste my money on a crappy PC laptop.

 

[KeriJane]

LTD is right again!

Just like LTD says, this is a symptom of major desperation on MS's part.

As many of the more MS-friendly members have pointed out, the XBOX. is Microsoft's current hot product.... the one they should be selling at maximum profit rather than giving away to prop up dying PC sales.

It's pure suicidal desperation on MS's part and should be fun to watch for us MS-UNfriendly types who've been living with the curse of Windows for far too long and who disdain the company generally. It doesn't matter that some of the lost revenue will be made up by subscriptions or whatnot... Giving away your "Crown Jewels" -as LTD so aptly put it- is a sign of either severe desperation or incredible stupidity. Maybe both.

Pay more attention to LTD.... He's right, every single time. So far as I've noticed anyway.

Have Fun,
Join the LTD Appreciation Society today!
Keri

PS. I don't see Apple giving away their current "Hot" products like the iPad2, nor should they.

 

[ChazUK]

Just like LTD says, this is a symptom of major desperation on MS's part.

As many of the more MS-friendly members have pointed out, the XBOX. is Microsoft's current hot product.... the one they should be selling at maximum profit rather than giving away to prop up dying PC sales.

Nonsense. Consoles are rearly profitable and are often sold at a loss with the intention of a return in game sales and now, other services (xbox live, play station plus e.t.c)

I don't see this as desperate at all, just an offer like the one that Apple offers with the free iPod touch.

 

[maflynn]

Nonsense. Consoles are rearly profitable and are often sold at a loss with the intention of a return in game sales and now, other services (xbox live, play station plus e.t.c)

I don't see this as desperate at all, just an offer like the one that Apple offers with the free iPod touch.

The Wii, PS3 and xbox are loss leaders. They cost more the build then what they're sold for. Nintendo, Sony and MS make money on games and other value added benefits that come with the console.

 

[ChazUK]

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Nonsense. Consoles are rearly profitable and are often sold at a loss with the intention of a return in game sales and now, other services (xbox live, play station plus e.t.c)

I don't see this as desperate at all, just an offer like the one that Apple offers with the free iPod touch.

The Wii, PS3 and xbox are loss leaders. They cost more the build then what they're sold for. Nintendo, Sony and MS make money on games and other value added benefits that come with the console.

I can't believe people don't already realise this. I'm guessing the Wii was a profitable machine at launch due to it being internally similar to the Gamecube but from memory that's the only one I can think of.

I can't fathom why people think this offer is desperate alongside Apple's generous one.

 

[*LTD*]

Apple is unconcerned about iPod sales. it's far from their bread and butter - for along time now. You can take iPods completely out of the mix and Apple wouldn't skip a beat. That is how diverse they are. Nor is there an issue with Mac sales, since that division experiences constant growth each quarter - namely, outpacing the industry for 20 consecutive quarters, and counting. Mac sales keep rising YoY.

However, any drop in PC sales (and the most recent one is significant) is quite worrying for MS, and rightfully so. They still depend on the Windows/Office licensing cash cow (an understatement) and have nothing in the mobile space save for an under-performing and below-expectations WP7 platform at the moment. Whether that changes remains to be seen (I don't think it will, but that's a different thread), but for now we're discussing the Xbox giveaway and the reasons behind it, since it's not done out of kindness or charity but rather to move stagnating product.

If your stated purpose here is just to "burn fanboys", you won't have much fun in the limited time you'll have.

 

[iTards]

Apple is unconcerned about iPod sales. it's far from their bread and butter - for along time now. You can take iPods completely out of the mix and Apple wouldn't skip a beat. That is how diverse they are. Nor is there an issue with Mac sales, since that division experiences constant growth each quarter - namely, outpacing the industry for 20 consecutive quarters, and counting. Mac sales keep rising YoY.

However, any drop in PC sales (and the most recent one is significant) is quite worrying for MS, and rightfully so. They still depend on the Windows/Office licensing cash cow (an understatement) and have nothing in the mobile space save for an under-performing and below-expectations WP7 platform at the moment. Whether that changes remains to be seen (I don't think it will, but that's a different thread), but for now we're discussing the Xbox giveaway and the reasons behind it, since it's not done out of kindness or charity but rather to move stagnating product.

If your stated purpose here is just to "burn fanboys", you won't have much fun in the limited time you'll have.

iPod is an iOS device and iOS is Apple's bread and butter. 85% of the revenue for Apple comes from iOS. OSX sits at 5% worldwide marketshare which is pathetic. Android has already overtaken iOS worldwide in many countries incl US. Windows Phone and Windows 8 on tablets will drop iOS into misery when Nokia launches it handsets with the mango update. Android tablets have slowly started to take off and iOS will prob end up like with it's dad OSX's marketshare of 5% in few years. Your company is 2nd in desktop OS, 2nd in smartphone OS. Android launched a year late compared to iOS has beaten your Apple at their own *revolutionary* game.

 

[*LTD*]

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Apple is unconcerned about iPod sales. it's far from their bread and butter - for along time now. You can take iPods completely out of the mix and Apple wouldn't skip a beat. That is how diverse they are. Nor is there an issue with Mac sales, since that division experiences constant growth each quarter - namely, outpacing the industry for 20 consecutive quarters, and counting. Mac sales keep rising YoY.

However, any drop in PC sales (and the most recent one is significant) is quite worrying for MS, and rightfully so. They still depend on the Windows/Office licensing cash cow (an understatement) and have nothing in the mobile space save for an under-performing and below-expectations WP7 platform at the moment. Whether that changes remains to be seen (I don't think it will, but that's a different thread), but for now we're discussing the Xbox giveaway and the reasons behind it, since it's not done out of kindness or charity but rather to move stagnating product.

If your stated purpose here is just to "burn fanboys", you won't have much fun in the limited time you'll have.

iPod is an iOS device and iOS is Apple's bread and butter. 85% of the revenue for Apple comes from iOS. OSX sits at 5% worldwide marketshare which is pathetic. Android has already overtaken iOS worldwide in many countries incl US. Windows Phone and Windows 8 on tablets will drop iOS into misery when Nokia launches it handsets with the mango update. Android tablets have slowly started to take off and iOS will prob end up like with it's dad OSX's marketshare of 5% in few years. Your company is 2nd in desktop OS, 2nd in smartphone OS. Android launched a year late compared to iOS has beaten your Apple at their own *revolutionary* game.

I still don't understand what you're trying to prove.

That Apple intends to increase slumping iPod sales by . . . giving iPods away with Macs?? This would make no sense.

Or that Apple intends to increase Mac sales by giving away iPods with them . . . when Macs have been experiencing significant growth for years now? This makes no sense either. Apple has no problem moving Mac inventory, and not because of iPods, unless you're under the ridiculous assumption that Mac sales have outpaced the industry for 20 consecutive quarters because Apple has thrown in an iPod with every Mac for 20 consecutive quarters.

 

[Melrose]

Good lord it's amazing how few brain cells there really are in threads like these.

 

[ChazUK]

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They are simply good offers. Why are people trying to belittle one over the other?

At the end of the day, it makes purchases for students at little more worthwhile at a time in their lives when I can imagine things can be tough.

 

[bruinsrme]

1. Pay $700 for not-so-bad laptop to play Age & Total War on.

2. Sell xBox on eBay for $$$.

3. Enjoy sweet discount on said laptop at Microsoft's expense.

Same can be said for the iPod touch.

Honestly if I was going to college the would pick the xbox deal.

 

[bruinsrme]

As the father of a daughter who is completing her sophomore year at college, I don't get too involved in her day-to-day activities. The only thing I care about are the grades at the end of each semester. It is only if they are bad will I say something to her. So far, it hasn't been an issue.

That said, college ain't cheap. If my child wants to play around and not be successful in the classroom, they can do it on their own dime, not mine.

I agree.
My son has the toys but also knows this is his one and only opportunity for his ticket.
We pay $110 per classroom hour, not per credit hour per classroom hour.
His rent in Boston is $1500 a month, he gets $50 a week cash for food and other expenses. We pick up utilities, cell phone, and cable. Well, I slip him a $100 or more when I swing by and we do lunch or something.
We grabbed his high school diploma from him to make sure it was signed, that's how poorly he performed in high school.
Something clicked between that June and September.
All I ask him is, are you getting your work done and are you having fun.
It's up to him to manage his time.
My wife would rather manage it for him.
However we might grab take advantage of the deal so he has a new laptop.

 

[neiltc13]

I agree.
My son has the toys but also knows this is his one and only opportunity for his ticket.
We pay $110 per classroom hour, not per credit hour per classroom hour.
His rent in Boston is $1500 a month, he gets $50 a week cash for food and other expenses. We pick up utilities, cell phone, and cable. Well, I slip him a $100 or more when I swing by and we do lunch or something.
We grabbed his high school diploma from him to make sure it was signed, that's how poorly he performed in high school.
Something clicked between that June and September.
All I ask him is, are you getting your work done and are you having fun.
It's up to him to manage his time.
My wife would rather manage it for him.
However we might grab take advantage of the deal so he has a new laptop.

This is crazy! Where I studied, the government pays for every student's tuition fees, so classroom hours are $0.

I think I paid about $5000 per year for my accommodation (nice room in an apartment of 5 shared with 4 others, with my own private bathroom). In my 3rd and 4th years of University, I went to live with my parents about 40 miles away. The Government paid for the travel between my house and the University campus each day.

I worked hard and got my degree, but needless to say our system, while very inclusive, did lead to a lot of people not having the needed "pressure" to do well since there was little financial loss if you failed.

(If you did fail a year though, you don't get to repeat for free. You have to pay the full one year tuition fees of about $1500).

 

[steadysignal]

sign me up.

could use a windows box for certain things... use the extra 360 is a bonus or a gift...

 

[LethalWolfe]

Hey thats pretty sweet.

Edit: OFF TOPIC - id love to see the next 360 (720?) rolling out before too long.

From what I've heard Sony and MS aren't planning on new consoles until 2013 or 14.

The Wii, PS3 and xbox are loss leaders. They cost more the build then what they're sold for. Nintendo, Sony and MS make money on games and other value added benefits that come with the console.

The Wii was always sold at a profit (a rarity for consoles), the 360 has been sold at a profit since '06 or '07 and the PS3 finally started selling at a profit, or at least breaking even, last summer. I agree that typically consoles are loss leaders early in their life cycles but they are not sold at a loss forever.


Lethal