But that is not quite a fair comparison. One reason to use a laptop is the keyboard.
I think it's like this (approximately)
SP4+keyboard=rMB+200g
SP4+keyboard-200g=rMB+iPad Air 2
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I think it's like this (approximately)
SP4+keyboard=rMB+200g
SP4+keyboard-200g=rMB+iPad Air 2
It happens. The new 5k iMac that I received yesterday may or may not have to be returned? Spent a while with Apple support and will try one more fix, before we have to do the shuffle. Last year, my iPhone 6 was replace 2 or 3 times (I forget) for minor issues. Nowadays, this tech is so complex that I find lots of stuff fails. But normally, since there are fewer mechanical elements, it fails quickly.
Also suspect that there's more risk in products that have just been released, with manufacturing kinks to be worked out as issues arise.
Good luck with your SP4.
Also suspect that there's more risk in products that have just been released, with manufacturing kinks to be worked out as issues arise.
Good luck with your SP4.
good point
SP4 766g (m3)
TC4 292g
power adapter 204g
total 1262g
MB 920g
power adapter 169g
total 1089g
yeah that's almost half a lb, pretty amazing
and the rMB should have better battery life too
Yeah, I'm not upset about it. A little frustrated, since it takes up my time, but understanding. I did purchase it the day it was released, so some hiccups aren't out of the realm of possibility. I'm enjoying the device this evening...just setting everything up the way (I think) I like it. It's cool tech, which is always attractive to me.
Now that the Type Cover is working properly, I can say that I *really* like the keyboard. A great feel to it. The trackpad is nice - very clicky - but is a little jittery a lot of the time. (Random question to anyone: how do I do an en or em dash on Windows? Option-hyphen works on the Mac, but here I'm lost.
Yeah, I broke my unwritten rule about getting brand new stuff the moment it comes up with the SP4. I rushed in, and now I'm paying the price. O_0
Now that the Type Cover is working properly, I can say that I *really* like the keyboard. A great feel to it. The trackpad is nice - very clicky - but is a little jittery a lot of the time. (Random question to anyone: how do I do an en or em dash on Windows? Option-hyphen works on the Mac, but here I'm lost.
It's been about forever since I used em and en dashes, but I think it's ctrl+num - for one, and ctrl+alt+num - for the other.
My new Surface Pro 3 came out of the box flawless, setup, app installs and the rest of configuring went smooth as silk.
Sometimes I wonder if Mac only users have a curse over their heads preventing them from touching other platforms without encountering reasons to bash them ...
I love both platforms, and would be happy having any system as long as it is well sorted. But I started on DOS and x86 PCs at 12 years old and only started using macs three years ago, mainly because of iOS, the iPad and the iPhone sucked me in. Its all been fine and enjoyable and I find Apple products the most rewarding. My rMBP is on ebay and is already fetching $1500 with 4 days to go, its three years old - since when does a computer hold its value!!
Anyway, when things don't work in OSx I feel helpless, there is less you can do as a nature of the environment. But in Windows even if its a bit clunky, when something stops working or fails there is always a work around. Always.
Can you return it at this point if you're unhappy with it?
Overall I'm happy with my SP3, but then I like windows, so that probably sets me apart from many people in MacRumors.
I could, but I'm not unhappy with it at all. I love it, and think it's one of the best purchases I've made in a good long while.
My regret lies with picking it up day one, instead of waiting a couple of months for the bugs to get banged out, then grabbing it. Like everything works really well, except for when I come across a video on the internet. I have to scroll past it really quick, or my screen takes on a greenish hue, and I risk the GPU flaking out if I stick around looking at it too long. It's a GPU driver issue apparently common to everything that's currently running Skylake, since the Surface Book and supposedly the new HP Spectre are suffering the same problem.
...it's made me scared of movies. O_0
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This would almost be right if you remembered to add a Wacom tablet (approx. 300g) to the weight calculation to the rMB to even remotely equalise specs let alone adapters also required
Congratulations. You deserve an award.
This thread is for people who *are* interested in the product, so kindly show yourself to another thread, please.
Yes.
I still think OS X and iOS are better than Windows, but Windows 10 also has merits. Now I'm testing out Windows on the SP4, and see if that can change my opinion.
While that was true ~15yrs ago, not so much in the OS X era. There's a ton you can do from the UNIX command line. Just yesterday, for example, had an issue where the Disk Utility didn't recognize a drive - a quick flip of the terminal, running diskutil form the command line, and all was good. Yeah, the El-Cap GUI messed up disk util... but the command line functions still work.
Love my SP3, BTW. Just bought the new SP4 keyboard for it, and that's a big upgrade! I'll wait until the SP5 to upgrade my Surface, but it sure is tempting...
Love my SP3, BTW. Just bought the new SP4 keyboard for it, and that's a big upgrade! I'll wait until the SP5 to upgrade my Surface, but it sure is tempting...
Speaking of first impression, what's up with all these hardware vendors selling handicapped systems?
Was just at Costco and the good news is that they had SP4s! the bad news is that the model they were selling was the 4GB i5, with a 128GB drive. While that system might perform well in the store, I bet they'll get quite a few returns from people buying them only to find there's not enough memory to run stuff they're accustomed to running.
Then again, who's to say? Maybe they'll just get people who want to surf the web and occasionally run an office app? Still, that's the only config that Costco had.
Was just at Costco and the good news is that they had SP4s! the bad news is that the model they were selling was the 4GB i5, with a 128GB drive. While that system might perform well in the store, I bet they'll get quite a few returns from people buying them only to find there's not enough memory to run stuff they're accustomed to running.
Then again, who's to say? Maybe they'll just get people who want to surf the web and occasionally run an office app? Still, that's the only config that Costco had.
there are people that don't want to touch the screen of their notebook, with fingers or pens whatsoever....This would almost be right if you remembered to add a Wacom tablet (approx. 300g) to the weight calculation to the rMB to even remotely equalise specs let alone adapters also required
So user error then - its two clicks!! less than on the mac
Learn how to use it rather than blaming the tools..
I've never changed the language in Windows before in my life. So as an experiment, I decided to see how difficult it'd be.
The first thing I did was go to the control panel. Looked to the right, and saw a header labeled "clock, language, and region". Right below that was "add a language". I clicked it, saw there was a big box there I could add a language, so I clicked that, and it gave me a big lists of languages, each with their own preview text. Once you add it, you just enable it...
...yeah. For something I've never done before, it was surprisingly easy. Took, maybe, three minutes. Though to be fair, it was more than two clicks.
For another experiment, I googled up "change OS language Windows", and one of the first hits explained exactly what I did above.
So I can assume two things here. Either he got a REALLY cheap tablet, and it took two hours to load everything up, or he never did it to begin with, and is complaining for cookie points.
And those people shouldn't buy a tablet or a Surface.
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I played with a SP4 at best buy today, amazing improvement over SP3 IMO.
The screen needs to be seen to be believed. And the pen really is much better.
The type cover 4 is incredible. The touchpad really is Apple like. And the keyboard is preferable to the rMB, for me that is.
The screen needs to be seen to be believed. And the pen really is much better.
The type cover 4 is incredible. The touchpad really is Apple like. And the keyboard is preferable to the rMB, for me that is.
Nope, those people SHOULD buy a real tablet AND a notebook, like me.
Surface is just an half baked solution: not a great tablet and not a great notebook.
I bought a SP 3 at a very low price, I was intrigued by it as a windows phone user, I have sold it after one month because it basically is "worst of both worlds ".
I agree, though for me I think the differences are not great enough to justify replacing my SP3. I do think I'll get the new type cover however. I may get the new pen as well, just for the magnet.
I want the SP4 very bad but they still do not offer the higher end units in stock so I am going to wait. I have gone and looked and they are awesome.
Never gotten BSOD ever since I installed W7. I don't know what I'm doing differently.
If you've already got an SP3, then yeah. If you don't, get an SP4 and don't look back.
...though I'd still recommend waiting another month or two before picking one up.