that is one ugly phone...no way that beats the iphone
it won't beat it with aesthetics, but maybe some features....
i'm still undecided on this phone. also, apple keynotes are still lightyears ahead of everyone else's
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it won't beat it with aesthetics, but maybe some features....
i'm still undecided on this phone. also, apple keynotes are still lightyears ahead of everyone else's
I'm happy the first Android phone has gotten off the ground. It's definitely a day of celebration, and my hat's off to Google for pulling this off. KUDOS!
That said, Android and iPhone OS are both going in markedly different directions. I think, for people to call these "competing", is a mistake. They have plenty of things in common, but others will quickly become apparent as "non-starters". Google is expanding the cohesiveness of the open market for phone capabilities. In my opinion, I hope Google's Android becomes the dominant "multi-device OS" standard. I have absolutely NO DOUBT that Apple will be (if it is not already) the dominany (and perhaps only) vertically Intergrated mobile platform solution (device / OS / PC connectivity / marketplace).
Microsoft has failed miserably at what Google is now attempting, and its failure is primarily a product of being first-to-market, than any lack of capability on Microsoft's part. Being first-to-market, Microsoft has the greatest amount of LEGACY issue to contend with, even as they try to innovate.
Regarding Android, it will be interesting to see how forgetful and realistic people become when presented with an operating system as OPEN as Android markets itself as. It will VERY quickly become apparent how much "whining" has been done regarding Apple, that has very little to do with Apple. People pounced on Apple for not providing "turn-by-turn" directions with Google Maps, pinning blame on Apple and the Terms of Service for its App Store. --However, one need only look in the Android developer forums to see the truth other, more astute observers had uncovered (namely, it is a licensing problem for the mapping data):
http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/dbb491d9c610cdda
PLUSES & MINUSES
Among other things, we see that the G1 is missing:
A headphone jack, software-sync with the computer (or even plans for it), no tethering, an upper limit of 8GB of removable memory at a time when the 1GB memory is upgraded, no multi-touch, no exchange support, no iTunes syncing, limited media player functionality, 1GB data limit per month (or be reduced to 50 kbps on T-Mobile... AT&T has a 5GB limit), noticeably slower web browser performance than iPhone, no core OS animation affects, etc.
On the positive side, Android G1 has:
Cut & paste, background processes (multi-tasking) and overlays, built-in compass, trackball support, external keyboard, 3.1 MP camera, Google StreetView, etc.
Where Android & iPhone BOTH still come up short:
1. No Turn-by-Turn directions
2. No Flash support
3. No Extended Bluetooth profile support (no Stereo Bluetooth, contacts, or file transfer, just headset)
Prediction:
Unless Windows Mobile does something radical, or Google gets sued for the tightrope they're walking with "openness" and "permissiveness", Google Android will begin to subvert Windows Mobile. You certainly can't compete with "free". However, Nokia's acquisition of Symbian and subsequent open-source initiative with it (and their position as a huge cellphone manufacturer)... means that Google will have a hard time making headway in overtaking Symbian.
http://www.thestreet.com/_aol/s/nok...&cm_cat=Free&cm_pla=Feed&cm_ite=Feed&puc=aol&
Almost unnoticed was Google's announcement that it would cut out its formal Bluetooth implementation and Google Talk from Android:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2328885,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121
Personally, I look forward to seeing the G1 (and other Android phones) in person (although I'll admittedly have low-expectations that this will be the case, given how the iPhone marked an as yet unparalleled "try-before-you-buy" presentation in Apple's stores).
~ CB
That said, Android and iPhone OS are both going in markedly different directions. I think, for people to call these "competing", is a mistake. They have plenty of things in common, but others will quickly become apparent as "non-starters". Google is expanding the cohesiveness of the open market for phone capabilities. In my opinion, I hope Google's Android becomes the dominant "multi-device OS" standard. I have absolutely NO DOUBT that Apple will be (if it is not already) the dominany (and perhaps only) vertically Intergrated mobile platform solution (device / OS / PC connectivity / marketplace).
Microsoft has failed miserably at what Google is now attempting, and its failure is primarily a product of being first-to-market, than any lack of capability on Microsoft's part. Being first-to-market, Microsoft has the greatest amount of LEGACY issue to contend with, even as they try to innovate.
Regarding Android, it will be interesting to see how forgetful and realistic people become when presented with an operating system as OPEN as Android markets itself as. It will VERY quickly become apparent how much "whining" has been done regarding Apple, that has very little to do with Apple. People pounced on Apple for not providing "turn-by-turn" directions with Google Maps, pinning blame on Apple and the Terms of Service for its App Store. --However, one need only look in the Android developer forums to see the truth other, more astute observers had uncovered (namely, it is a licensing problem for the mapping data):
http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/dbb491d9c610cdda
http://www.anddev.org/important_android-googlemaps_api_tos_notice_update-t2875.html
Nor, apparently, is it Apple's. So, to reiterate, neither Android NOR iPhone OS support Google maps intergration with turn-by-turn directions. It's unclear what will happen to applications added to Android Marketplace that violate Google's ToS, or how well they will be able to control that. Google's problems with the Viacom lawsuit highlight the potential for major calamity when users are given control that runs counter to legal licensing.
PLUSES & MINUSES
Among other things, we see that the G1 is missing:
A headphone jack, software-sync with the computer (or even plans for it), no tethering, an upper limit of 8GB of removable memory at a time when the 1GB memory is upgraded, no multi-touch, no exchange support, no iTunes syncing, limited media player functionality, 1GB data limit per month (or be reduced to 50 kbps on T-Mobile... AT&T has a 5GB limit), noticeably slower web browser performance than iPhone, no core OS animation affects, etc.
On the positive side, Android G1 has:
Cut & paste, background processes (multi-tasking) and overlays, built-in compass, trackball support, external keyboard, 3.1 MP camera, Google StreetView, etc.
Where Android & iPhone BOTH still come up short:
1. No Turn-by-Turn directions
2. No Flash support
3. No Extended Bluetooth profile support (no Stereo Bluetooth, contacts, or file transfer, just headset)
Prediction:
Unless Windows Mobile does something radical, or Google gets sued for the tightrope they're walking with "openness" and "permissiveness", Google Android will begin to subvert Windows Mobile. You certainly can't compete with "free". However, Nokia's acquisition of Symbian and subsequent open-source initiative with it (and their position as a huge cellphone manufacturer)... means that Google will have a hard time making headway in overtaking Symbian.
http://www.thestreet.com/_aol/s/nok...&cm_cat=Free&cm_pla=Feed&cm_ite=Feed&puc=aol&
Almost unnoticed was Google's announcement that it would cut out its formal Bluetooth implementation and Google Talk from Android:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2328885,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121
Meanwhile, Apple continues to be kicked in the teeth for having a strict policy about not discussing "planned" or "upcoming" features. As a practice that Microsoft often employed, known as "vaporware", I'm personally glad Apple has such a policy, and curious about how well Google will fair if changing conditions cause an unpredictable shift in what promised features are eventually cancelled for good, or which are put into anupdate before they're ready for primetime.
Personally, I look forward to seeing the G1 (and other Android phones) in person (although I'll admittedly have low-expectations that this will be the case, given how the iPhone marked an as yet unparalleled "try-before-you-buy" presentation in Apple's stores).
~ CB
The lack of standard ear phone connection is quite stunning.
The functionality of the software looks good, unfortunately, the hardware disappointments.
Hopefully, future phones will quickly surpass this initial effort.
I'm glad this has copy and paste. I've used copy and paste so many times, I'd miss the functionality - and think of it as a basic requirement of a smartphone.
As it stands, my Symbian phone surpasses both Android and iPhone. It offers the functionality I need, including allowing background applications and unrestricted application distribution: I can choose what applications I need and want to install without needing a nanny.
I'm sure this Android phone and iPhone suits other people more than existing Symbian devices. Each person is an individual and choose the best solution for themselves.
The functionality of the software looks good, unfortunately, the hardware disappointments.
Hopefully, future phones will quickly surpass this initial effort.
I'm glad this has copy and paste. I've used copy and paste so many times, I'd miss the functionality - and think of it as a basic requirement of a smartphone.
As it stands, my Symbian phone surpasses both Android and iPhone. It offers the functionality I need, including allowing background applications and unrestricted application distribution: I can choose what applications I need and want to install without needing a nanny.
I'm sure this Android phone and iPhone suits other people more than existing Symbian devices. Each person is an individual and choose the best solution for themselves.
What a piece of Junk. Android set aside...this looks like the phones they give to people in third world countries so they can stir their soups with them. Its FUGLY . HTC could of done alot better and Im sure the next phone will be way cooler.
it's not that ugly... it a merge between a regular cell phone and a iPhone, see of this as the son of a Nokia and iPhone, then you will get this. I like the keyboard, and I like the Android OS, It just don't feel as slick or futuristic as the iPhone but again... it can be a manace to Apple in 5 Years... So, Right now, if I were a T-Mobile client, I definitely will buy this instead of the iPhone. It's like getting a Lexus instead of a BMW... get it?
It's got a "funky" look. Not a good funky either... I don't own an iPhone, so I am not being biased in that regard. I do wish though that the iPhone was legally available thru different carriers. I do however like the new Blackberry Bold. I think when T-Mobile gets these in the Brick and Mortar store, I'll go check both out.
I just want to say that this poster does not represent Chicagoans or Americans in general. Not all of us make insensitive statements about less fortunate areas to elaborate their opinions on consumerism or fashion.
I was joking...sorry to all the third world country people who are on macrumors right now and have internet but not potable water nor enough food. my apologies. May we one day bring democracy to your country (by force if need be) whether you want it or not. I will be more politically correct from now on.
i also apologize for my "fergilicious" comment as well. Im sure that will offend someone as well
Im sure that will offend someone as wellI had to quote this.
Lol 2 things.... first of all you have no business with apple other than as a consumer so the fact that "The begginning of the end of microsoft" is of any significance to you is hilarious. Also I bolded something in your quote. You said the interface isn't as smooth? I hope you aren't referencing the response time for iPhone compared to the G1 because everyone even apple fan boys know the iPhone lags.... We will see how responsive the G1 is in october but yeah. Anyway again the G1 definitely needs work but you know what, so does the iPhone. I think maybe the "G2" will be better... is that what they are going to name the second one?
i'm an iphone guy but i disagree with anybody here who thinks this won't be
big which i am hoping for:
-only $179 (you can get 8gb cards real cheap)
-$35/month for unlimited data/text messaging
-an app store with an sdk and without an approval process
-free push for what many consider the best email client
-amazon mp3 store
-3mp camera
-enhanced google street view
-replaceable battery
that said there are things missing:
-no multitouch!
-ugly
-seamless integration with desktop apps (though that can be done though not as well by a 3rd party)
-cannot play with itunes fairplay drm
-interface not as smooth
the whole thing about this is that ANDROID IS NOT COMPETING WITH APPLE.
THEY ARE GOING AFTER MICROSOFT. they are about one step away from killing them off. google now has a phone, a browser, email, desktop web apps. the only thing that is left is the google desktop os. they are going to be offering lower priced computers because that os is going to be free and it will be popular because it will have the google name behind it. the dark days are coming to redmond.
so to all of us apple fanboys out there i say rejoice for we are seeing what we all have been waiting for a long time: the beginning of the end of microsoft.
Lol 2 things.... first of all you have no business with apple other than as a consumer so the fact that "The begginning of the end of microsoft" is of any significance to you is hilarious. Also I bolded something in your quote. You said the interface isn't as smooth? I hope you aren't referencing the response time for iPhone compared to the G1 because everyone even apple fan boys know the iPhone lags.... We will see how responsive the G1 is in october but yeah. Anyway again the G1 definitely needs work but you know what, so does the iPhone. I think maybe the "G2" will be better... is that what they are going to name the second one?
I think the phone is ugly but not in an anti-american way. Go America.
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There are three MAJOR features Android will NEVER
have that the iPhone will ALWAYS have.
#1. A uniform platform device profile. Application developers will need to decide what "screen sizes" their app will support and what their device will do when certain hardware features are present and when they are not. At the end of the day, this is a train wreck of inconsistency which will hobble the marketshare numbers any developer will want to consider. To-date, Apple has been forced to make Visual Voicemail an "optional" feature depending on the network. That's about the extend of their compromise across devices.
#2. Complete iTunes integration, synchronization, and/or FairPlay support. Personally, I like iTunes. I have lots of iTunes media. I like to use my media on my Apple TV, computer, and mobile devices. I just downloaded the last two episodes on Venture Brothers on my Apple TV, and I'm throwing them on my iPhone tonight. I have tons of podcasts and audiobooks stored in my iTunes library. I regularly drop them into my mobile device and I'm off. Non-starter with Android. Android will never even have "Hulu" support on all devices irrespective of network. Just won't happen.
#3. Consistent end-user usage experience. Currently, whether you're on a Mac or a PC, as a user, your iPhone experience is somewhat uniform. Just boot into iTunes and the same instructions pretty much apply whether you're synchronizing contacts, calendars, music, podcasts, videos, etc. From purchase to first-use, your experience is roughly the same regardless of whether you're in the United States or the United Kingdom. For an Android phone, no matter what "3rd party opportunities" are introduced, unless it becomes bundled and heavily encouraged, Android users will have a wildly diverse experience getting data into and out of their device with the one notable exception of interacting with Google services (which not everyone uses). While Apple has received heavy criticism for denying 3rd-party applications that overlap its core functions, they have a clear intention of keeping their user-experience simplified and uncomplicated as a trade-off at times for diversity and 3rd party development. Simplicity over diversity and the avoidance of cognitive dissonance is almost Apple's signature.
It remains to be seen whether Google's Android Marketplace will be even remotely as lucrative for developers as Apple's App Store has been. Free apps is a wonderful option, but it doesn't often keep the lights on. These three items above will play a VERY large part in that equation, as well as a substantial part in what content-related features will be added to the device in the future. As Apple pushes forward, leveraging multi-platform service offerings like MobileMe, custom mobile applications like Remote, in-house games like Texas Hold 'Em, and ancillary client desktop environments like iChat (trading off a call from cellular to VOIP) and/or iTunes (leveraging their retail and distribution power), the disparity between Apple and all other platforms will grow more and more pronounced.
~ CB
have that the iPhone will ALWAYS have.
#1. A uniform platform device profile. Application developers will need to decide what "screen sizes" their app will support and what their device will do when certain hardware features are present and when they are not. At the end of the day, this is a train wreck of inconsistency which will hobble the marketshare numbers any developer will want to consider. To-date, Apple has been forced to make Visual Voicemail an "optional" feature depending on the network. That's about the extend of their compromise across devices.
#2. Complete iTunes integration, synchronization, and/or FairPlay support. Personally, I like iTunes. I have lots of iTunes media. I like to use my media on my Apple TV, computer, and mobile devices. I just downloaded the last two episodes on Venture Brothers on my Apple TV, and I'm throwing them on my iPhone tonight. I have tons of podcasts and audiobooks stored in my iTunes library. I regularly drop them into my mobile device and I'm off. Non-starter with Android. Android will never even have "Hulu" support on all devices irrespective of network. Just won't happen.
#3. Consistent end-user usage experience. Currently, whether you're on a Mac or a PC, as a user, your iPhone experience is somewhat uniform. Just boot into iTunes and the same instructions pretty much apply whether you're synchronizing contacts, calendars, music, podcasts, videos, etc. From purchase to first-use, your experience is roughly the same regardless of whether you're in the United States or the United Kingdom. For an Android phone, no matter what "3rd party opportunities" are introduced, unless it becomes bundled and heavily encouraged, Android users will have a wildly diverse experience getting data into and out of their device with the one notable exception of interacting with Google services (which not everyone uses). While Apple has received heavy criticism for denying 3rd-party applications that overlap its core functions, they have a clear intention of keeping their user-experience simplified and uncomplicated as a trade-off at times for diversity and 3rd party development. Simplicity over diversity and the avoidance of cognitive dissonance is almost Apple's signature.
It remains to be seen whether Google's Android Marketplace will be even remotely as lucrative for developers as Apple's App Store has been. Free apps is a wonderful option, but it doesn't often keep the lights on. These three items above will play a VERY large part in that equation, as well as a substantial part in what content-related features will be added to the device in the future. As Apple pushes forward, leveraging multi-platform service offerings like MobileMe, custom mobile applications like Remote, in-house games like Texas Hold 'Em, and ancillary client desktop environments like iChat (trading off a call from cellular to VOIP) and/or iTunes (leveraging their retail and distribution power), the disparity between Apple and all other platforms will grow more and more pronounced.
~ CB
what's the compelling reason?
there's no installed customer/user base.
No desktop application to sync
Tied to Google webmail, meh!
who will buy it ?
a few "freetards" perhaps, but how many "freetards" will cop a 24mth plan and $179 upfront? nah.
too little, too late.
there's no installed customer/user base.
No desktop application to sync
Tied to Google webmail, meh!
who will buy it ?
a few "freetards" perhaps, but how many "freetards" will cop a 24mth plan and $179 upfront? nah.
too little, too late.
tied to T-Mobile and to one Gmail account.
Open Handset Alliance indeed! Really, this has become tiring. Couldn't they atleast have opened up the contract free version?? From someone (google) claiming it to be really open and all that jazz, carrier lockdown is sad.
Bah! humbug!
They just took a fast route to market to get them out before Xmas. Who cares about the what the box looks like today, it's all about the OS, and what future box's will look like - and I'm sure they'll start to appear in lots of different form factors.
For me, it had me at replace-able battery. There's imitation I like.
Come on Apple, innovate me a remove-able battery you tight arses.
fanboys are also very objective.
LOL you are going to tell me that you have to be objective to see how FUGLY that freakin phone is??? HAHA ok then!
Competition is good, and there are some features that they added that the iPhone still needs, BUT the GUI and user experience are still very short of the iPhone, and again, the phone is DEAD FUGLY lol! I mean seriously did HTC even try to design a nice phone???
Most of their other phones are pretty good looking, what the HELL is that ugly thing??? P.S. Who the hell cares about a removable battery??? Do you people not have car chargers?
what's the compelling reason?
there's no installed customer/user base.
No desktop application to sync
Tied to Google webmail, meh!
who will buy it ?
a few "freetards" perhaps, but how many "freetards" will cop a 24mth plan and $179 upfront? nah.
too little, too late.
The most popular clothes shop in the UK, Primark, sells clothes at rock-bottom (i.e. £1) prices. It's even been disgraced on telly for employing asian 12-year olds to sew sequins onto t-shirts en masse. You can buy 12 pairs of socks for a fiver.
Why is it so successful? It just does what it says on the label. Stops you from getting cold. At rock-bottom prices. See, the majority of people count their pennies - the best selling phones are the ones people don't mind losing, because so many people DO lose them.
Desktop sync will be added by 3rd parties. Video already is. Worried about memory? HAH! Give me a break - how many people complained because iPhone DIDN'T have a memory card slot??
And...er...it's not tied solely to google mail. It comes with it. So does iPhone...except it doesn't support gmail push. It almost supports .mac, i mean Mobile-disaster-Me...intermittently.
Seriously people, get off the soap box and wake up, it's like being back at school in the 1970's ... "I've got Nike! I've got Adidas!" Well I had Hi-Tech, and they were laughed at back then but now they're iconic. Go figure.
Maybe one day, Stem Cell implants will help some of you. Until then, maybe you should volunteer for cryogenic statis, and wake up in a thousand years to see if the gadget you really want has been invented yet. If you're lucky, Steve Jobs with be a brainiac (Brain Interactive Construct, for our non-Smallville watching fellows), and will be Lord of The Universe.
Gah. Kids.
1. Developers have been making applications for mobile devices across global SKUs for years now (I'm one of them). Diversity doesn't put serious developers off, it inspires and challenges. There's immense value in being more than a one-trick-poney.
2. iTunes is the be-all-end-all? God save us all. It can't even handle manual installation of applications. Get Real.
3. Consistent User Experience? You mean, like living in a box? Only sheep want the same experience day-in-day-out. People like choice, and get this - they don't all like the same thing. Again, diversity wins. Without it, the consumer loses.
You talk as if MobileMe (the train wreck), Poker and Remote offer something that hasn't been available for - let's think - as long as we've had modems.
"Leveraging"? WTF? Considering you must be sitting at a keyboard on a computer typing away (think about it, a COMPUTER for chrissake - this is the 21st Century!).
There's a flaw in your reasoning; you're talking bollocks because you're been monkey trained to think bollocks.
I love Apple stuff, I've got bloody tonnes of it, but I find life's a lot more colourful and enjoyable if you walk around with your eyes open.
That's useful on when you're on the beach or on a plane.
Seriously, wtf is wrong with kids these days? Not a braincell in sight.
I wonder if Apple is secretly working on its own map software to replace Google Maps. (That said, Google is probably the lesser of 2 evils with the other one being Microsoft Live maps).
Good to see some real competition starting up (along with the Samsung Omnia, despite that handset having Windows Mobile) for the iPhone, which should keep Apple moving on new features, etc.
Personally, I think Android is going to be a mess - it's the nightmare of Windows all again (multiple hardware, nothing quite works properly because it has to work on many handsets, basic features lacking). That said, it will be interesting to see how the open model works compared with Apple's closed model (which is the basis of its whole philosphy - e.g. Macs as well). I certainly think Apple needs to be a bit more transparent on what gets included in the App Store, but I can't say I'd like having any old stuff going onto it. How many minutes willl it take for a virus to get on there? And as adverts on my mobile... please!
From the video, several features of the touch interface have been nicked from the iPhone I see, but I'm not sure about zooming and all the sub menus you have to keep wading through. That's probably down to Apple's patents, but it all just seems a little less intuitive.
In fact, what really is new about Android?
Finally, it will be worth watching what Nokia does with Symbian - they are going have to do something.
(That said, Google is probably the lesser of 2 evils with the other one being Microsoft Live maps).Good to see some real competition starting up (along with the Samsung Omnia, despite that handset having Windows Mobile) for the iPhone, which should keep Apple moving on new features, etc.
Personally, I think Android is going to be a mess - it's the nightmare of Windows all again (multiple hardware, nothing quite works properly because it has to work on many handsets, basic features lacking). That said, it will be interesting to see how the open model works compared with Apple's closed model (which is the basis of its whole philosphy - e.g. Macs as well). I certainly think Apple needs to be a bit more transparent on what gets included in the App Store, but I can't say I'd like having any old stuff going onto it. How many minutes willl it take for a virus to get on there? And as adverts on my mobile... please!
From the video, several features of the touch interface have been nicked from the iPhone I see, but I'm not sure about zooming and all the sub menus you have to keep wading through. That's probably down to Apple's patents, but it all just seems a little less intuitive.
In fact, what really is new about Android?
Finally, it will be worth watching what Nokia does with Symbian - they are going have to do something.
This is very true. The (SDK) NDA needs to be dropped too, as it's stifling not just to awareness but to actual progress. Technically we're not allowed to share experiences or code with other developers - there isn't even a private developer forum for it; they tolerate some discussion on the public dev forum, but it's hard to rely on because they over-moderate (deleting half the really useful posts, especially if they contain genuine bug details).
*shrug* It's the same thing (essentially) in a different box. Oh, and it's got Google written on it, which is important because Google have more mindshare than anyone these days. I don't think it's about what's in it today, but what's coming. Good things I think... it certainly doesn't warrant all the fanboi bashing. Apple must look at posts like that and say "Hey look, our fans are bashing the Google phone. Phew! For a moment there, I thought we might have to improve iPhone to keep them happy!"
Yeah I'd love to be a fly on the wall in their head office. Symbian's a shackle, it has so many inherent issues (being horrible is just the beginning of it).
They're happy to downplay Android (just as they did iPhone). But, perhaps this will be the future for Nokia...
http://www.talkandroid.com/65-google-android-nokia-n810/
The iPhone isn't a particularly expensive phone. At least in the UK, it's one of the best deals on the market. Desktop Sync is too fundamental to a smartphone to be left to 3rd parties. You'll have differing features between packages, platform incompatibilities, and the experience will just be a mess.
I've never had a problem with the iPhone's capacity, either. It's a fairly large amount of storage for a phone, and you don't have any loose cards to lose of forget to bring. Mobile Me is likewise a pretty good product. You probably don't have any experience of it outside of the media reports, but I do use it and have never had issues with it. It does what it claims to do (keeps your data in sync), and is fairly transparent.
Also, try not to be so arrogant. It's obnoxious.