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T-Mobile and Google Introduce First Android Phone
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Watching the comparison video between this thing and the iPhone, it feels like a video of circa 2001, where some cam back in time and brought an iPhone.
I'll admit the iPhone is rather limited feature-wise, but the app store (and the jailbraking community) give that thing a lot of potential. I predict android will be a niche market for years, kind of like linux which only recently gaining popularity with ubuntu because it looks okay and can let you (i.e. the average uneducated consumer, not the average macrumors user) do basic tasks right away.
I'll admit the iPhone is rather limited feature-wise, but the app store (and the jailbraking community) give that thing a lot of potential. I predict android will be a niche market for years, kind of like linux which only recently gaining popularity with ubuntu because it looks okay and can let you (i.e. the average uneducated consumer, not the average macrumors user) do basic tasks right away.
push gmail.... FIND OUT THAT INFO
the one thing i saw that made my eyes light up was the push gmail thing... is there a way to find out the settings for this when it comes to market and put that on the iphone?
yahoo does it, why not gmail... that's what i want, push gmail...
and if nothing else, where is the jailbreak imap idle for iphone 2.0...
the one thing i saw that made my eyes light up was the push gmail thing... is there a way to find out the settings for this when it comes to market and put that on the iphone?
yahoo does it, why not gmail... that's what i want, push gmail...
and if nothing else, where is the jailbreak imap idle for iphone 2.0...
Agreed (I have 2, UK)
A smartphone, as opposed to an iPhone? You are arguing the iPhone corner, right? The phone without file system access?
Because Apple is so compatible with non-Mac platforms, and iPhone works flawlessly with non-native data. Different features... read the next one.
That's your own personal requirement. Which brings us back to the universal imperitive for a flourishing market: Choice.
I've been a .mac user for years, and an unwilling MobileMe user since it was launched, I mean, pushed. Let's not get into a debate on the MobileMe experience, except to say at least I got quarter of a year free lol.
Can you be less condescending?
If you say so. For one example, Apple's standardized connector has made it a BEAST in the accessories market. There was an article on SmartHouse a while back where accessory makers were complaining that Sony and others squandered their opportunity by never deciding on one standard connector. Consumers like to be able to count on things to work consistently. That frees developers up to be creative in other areas that matter much more to the needs of customers.
Didn't that just get fixed? No one said it was the end-all-be-all. But its pretty clear Apple is "doubling-down" on its strategy over and over again. I was using MusicMatch on the PC and dreading paying for the "full" version when iTunes was released. It changed the entire landscape and hasn't stopped. I'm stunned my mother is getting podcasts through it. That alone impresses me.
--But, back to my point, this "iTunes" issue is not simply about loving the iTunes application. More significantly, its "marketplace" has made some hardware vendors cry foul, simply because the iPod is the ONLY device supported by it, and it is now the #1 Music distributor in the US. To that end, the labels have been forced to adopt a "no-DRM" strategy simply to break its dominance, even while only supporting it consistently with Amazon. Moreover, the FairPlay "lock-in" is a very REAL factor for anyone who's taken advantage of the service. Apple's buy-once play on ALL Apple devices (or your Mac/PC) is a winner by a longshot, and has not really been duplicated ANYWHERE else. Most content-rich solutions are Windows only and mobile device support for them is tenuous, inconsistent, and frustrating. If I use Google Android, for instance, and I want to watch a recent episode of "The Office" or "Lost" on my phone... I'm forced to obtain a copy illegally, possibly recompress it, and find some way to transfer it to my device. On Apple's platform, I can either do that same thing... or pay $1.99, and Apple will handle everything from iTunes.
You're right. But welcome to the world of trade-offs. People have lots of choices with Apple. There are some choices consumers would rather trade for ease-of-use however. Other consumers don't want to make that trade, so they need to go elsewhere... but they also lose the benefits. More and more consumers are liking the iPod trade-off. They don't want to think about whether their USB adapter will still plugin to their car. Others need to have Bluetooth Stereo or Bluetooth file transfer (even though WiFi WebDav mobile transfer applications are becoming a more than worthy alternative).
You're simply not seeing the forest for the trees. I played strip poker on my c64 and loved it. Apple has slowly been adopting a very "SEGA" like model with developing for its devices though, and its very worthwhile pointing it out. Apple has always had this model, but its becoming more and more pronounced given the new direction and popularity its platform is enjoying. Things like "iWork" and "iLife" are providing an unparalleled value for Apple customers, and they are extending that philosophy to their mobile devices. MobileMe can't be discussed for what it is today. It's simply not there. But, they've painted a clear roadmap. Even as a web professional, I'm finding myself drawn to using Apple's tools for basic tasks like custom "photo gallery" websites and its handy iDisk and BacktoMyMac service. As they extend capabilities to their mobile devices (like allowing iDisk to be browsed by a native iPhone app), it will become significantly more useful.
You're clearly just being a geek. We all love being geeks, but then we actually need to grown-up a little and get stuff done quickly and efficiently, and not spend our freetime endlessly hunting better solutions that are more integrated and effective. Your problem is that you're perceiving Apple as more a cult than a philosophy. Luckily, companies like Microsoft actually SEE what's happening, and recently informed their investors that they are being put at a distinct dis-advantage due to such a vertically integrated model.
10-K Watch: Microsoft Again Warns Of The Apple Threat
http://biz.yahoo.com/paidcontent/080731/1_326108_id.html?.v=2
In Our Post-PC Era, Apple's Device Model Beats the PC Way
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114729881894749433-ORYg5V1P3c0KNb715LUzZq56SQ4_20060609.html
If you look at the movements occuring, you can see what has proven ineffective and while people are not abandoning these old models, there is significant effort being placed in realizing more end-to-end solutions. Microsoft has created Zune, modeling it off of the iPod. Palm, who had spun of its operating system into Palm One, has suffered increasing irrelevance in the marketplace and its struggling to recover. Nokia has discarded its OS licensing approach and simply purchased Symbian in order to work on more tighter integration, while complimenting Apple's "side-loaded" (desktop) strategy over the purely "over-the-air" update/sync strategies that have not really taken off.
~ CB
My basic thoughts are that Android is a great concept, but that this iteration of it (the G1 phone) is a disaster.
There is no doubt that this handset was not their first choice, but that ATT and Verizon didn't want in on the Android platform at this time so what choice did they have?
TMobile needs anything to help compete and they jumped on this quickly, and in the meantime pushed out whatever they could to be first to market.
Phones will get better, and so will the platform, but for now I'd say hold off on this phone/OS.
There is no doubt that this handset was not their first choice, but that ATT and Verizon didn't want in on the Android platform at this time so what choice did they have?
TMobile needs anything to help compete and they jumped on this quickly, and in the meantime pushed out whatever they could to be first to market.
Phones will get better, and so will the platform, but for now I'd say hold off on this phone/OS.
do you people not have a car charger
haha, that made me laugh. That was the same situation I was in less than 3 months ago. Should a phone really dictate when and where you are able to talk on your phone because of poor battery life? Thank god it was addressed in this last update. Even with my wifi turned off and my screen brightness nearly all the way down I almost run out by the end of the day.
Is copy and paste really that hard for them to implement for all of the people that want it? It isnt like they are asking them to give them better reception or something.
And MMS, to all of you who say it is "old technology," do you guys never recieve that message that says "go here to view your message and type 3083743erfsdof3 password23o4u89f03ijr30 89ute0w only to have it not work? All I can say about that is it gets old after awhile.
Anyways, I know we have a great phone and it would be awesome if all of the little kinks were worked out. Just my 2cents for this morning.
I do, but I don't have a car
haha, that made me laugh. That was the same situation I was in less than 3 months ago. Should a phone really dictate when and where you are able to talk on your phone because of poor battery life? Thank god it was addressed in this last update. Even with my wifi turned off and my screen brightness nearly all the way down I almost run out by the end of the day.
Is copy and paste really that hard for them to implement for all of the people that want it? It isnt like they are asking them to give them better reception or something.
And MMS, to all of you who say it is "old technology," do you guys never recieve that message that says "go here to view your message and type 3083743erfsdof3 password23o4u89f03ijr30 89ute0w only to have it not work? All I can say about that is it gets old after awhile.
Anyways, I know we have a great phone and it would be awesome if all of the little kinks were worked out. Just my 2cents for this morning.
Very solid counter-argument.
iTunes - not sure how to pick a corner in the grander argument. It can be so much more; time will tell.
MobileMe & iDisk. Preferred it when it was .mac. I started using Amazon M3 after MM started to fall apart - I only use it for push mail now. Perhaps I'll return, but again that's a time will tell. But these are personal qualms so don't really apply.
Hard to miss the Microsoft 10-K warning - nothing new there, that's just corporate boxing and willy-waving. I can't imagine a world without Microsoft, they're so cuddly now, like a lost kitten.
Anyway I'll digress now before we take over the forum (and I need to work!) - I'm a gobby sod I know; but I'm seeking help...
Aesthetics are appealing but when it get's to the nitty gritty features and performance is what counts....Now BRILLIANCE is if someone can actually combine these two, and up to now I think the iPhone comes closest, still I am glad that there;s competition cause the iPhone is far from perfect....
My Thoughts
I'm a T-Mobile customer & I think the HTC G1 phone looks pretty good, I don't see why everyone is bashing it.
At first look I think it has a lot of pluses.
Physical keyboard +
Big touch screen +
3.0 megapixels +
Google integration +
Removable battery +
Also combined with T-Mobile you will spend 360 dollars less over the 2 year contract & you will get 200 extra txt messages per month & 150 extra anytime minutes over AT&T.
I'm a T-Mobile customer & I think the HTC G1 phone looks pretty good, I don't see why everyone is bashing it.
At first look I think it has a lot of pluses.
Physical keyboard +
Big touch screen +
3.0 megapixels +
Google integration +
Removable battery +
Also combined with T-Mobile you will spend 360 dollars less over the 2 year contract & you will get 200 extra txt messages per month & 150 extra anytime minutes over AT&T.
Copy & Paste Apple get it sorted!!!
Oh and while your at it get MMS working aswell.
Geeez
MMS is dead. Time for acceptance. Email your damn pics and stop whining.
I, too, have never, ever needed or wanted to use any sort of copy/paste combination. I have no idea why a minority of whiners are STILL going on about it.
Try this scenario:
1) You want to register for a forum/web store.
2) They email you your username & password, and give you a link to activate your account.
3) You click the link, but don't remember the upper & lower case & numeric password they sent you. You have to leave Safari and go back to Mail.
4) You open the mail again and must memorise the password, in its entirety.
5) Go back to the web site, reload the login page, and hope you remembered it correctly. If you didn't, you have to quit Safari again, go back to Mail, and start again.
This phone is very ugly. This thing doesn't look like a new sidekick to me, it looks like one of the first ever sidekick concepts. No competition at all. Iphone clearly wins this one. The online video demo isn't even impressive at all.
Hell, even the Instinct is better looking than this thing.
Hell, even the Instinct is better looking than this thing.
Phonescoop has a pretty good review. It doesn't look as bad as all the negativity here, although I'm quite aware I'm on an Apple site. I have an iPhone as well as t-mobile. In my area, Balt/Wash, t-mo is considerably better than att.
The only reason I'm still with att is because of the iPhone. I'm sure it will be comparable to the iPhone. I'll see in Oct. and will probably be done with att.
The only reason I'm still with att is because of the iPhone. I'm sure it will be comparable to the iPhone. I'll see in Oct. and will probably be done with att.
May have already been answered, but will iTunes be ported to this phone? They make a Windows version...
Went ahead and made a new thread on the topic
Went ahead and made a new thread on the topic
I appreciate this POS!
If this, thing, does moderately well it will only advance the iPhone to new plateaus of Apple iPhone goodness. All Johnny come lately s, BRING IT ON BABY! As in the famous notorious Negro Poet, Sir Flava Flave said once, Show'em what you got!
If this, thing, does moderately well it will only advance the iPhone to new plateaus of Apple iPhone goodness. All Johnny come lately s, BRING IT ON BABY! As in the famous notorious Negro Poet, Sir Flava Flave said once, Show'em what you got!
Try this scenario:
1.) You want to register for a forum/web store.
2.) They email you your username & password, and give you a link to activate your account.
3.) Because you're tired, don't have a piece of paper, you want to avoid having to memorize the arcane password, and the website isn't designed to automatically log you in as soon as you click the activation link like MOST websites are... you simply tap the "forward" button in mail, and proceed to type "http://" in front of your randomly generated password and send it.
4.) Upon checking your "sent" messages, you see that your password is now an active link. Tapping it sends you into Safari, where it informs you that it is not a valid website.
5.) If you like, you can re-type the password into the "Search" field by referencing the "Address" field it appeared in when Safari opened (don't bother hitting enter), and it will follow you anywhere, for instance, if you went back to Mail to click the "activation" link, there it will sit, under the newly created Safari tab, for easy reference.
The odds that this is a daily occurence is fairly low, and if it gets too bad, you can always practice your memory-boosting techniques! Personally I remember my default options for the Unix command "tar" with faces from high school. "tar -czvf" becomes "tar-[compress][zach,veronica,frank]". I can't remember how many time I used "copy/paste" on the desktop before I figured out that easy tip. Your mileage may vary.
~ CB
Ugly out of the gate, but Google has been acquiring mobile companies for almost 5 years.
Version 2 or 3 will probably be a top contender. Bye n95!
Version 2 or 3 will probably be a top contender. Bye n95!
Engadget review:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/24/t-mobile-g1-impressions-what-we-love-what-we-dont/
Overall, they like the phone and software.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/24/t-mobile-g1-impressions-what-we-love-what-we-dont/
Overall, they like the phone and software.