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T-Mobile and Google Introduce First Android Phone

I use copy/paste all the time on my Treo :)

stealthboy said:
Maybe I'm just using it wrong, but I've never had the need for copy/paste on my iPhone. I find all the vitriol thrown around about its nonexistence a bit disproportionate with its potential actual use in real-life.

/my humble opinion
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I'm an Apple fanboy, but the lack of copy/paste is a big impediment for me and one of the reasons why I'm waiting to see other options like phones on the Android platform, Blackberry Bold, or phones based on the new Palm OS II to come out next year.

I use copy/paste at least 2-3 times a week for friends who ask me to text them something that I have elsewhere on my Treo (often a phone number from my Contacts, and no I'm *not* going to memorize it ;-) ), and I copy and paste it and send it off as a text message. I would get quickly aggravated if I could not do this on the iPhone. :)

That being said, this first Android phone is fugly; I hate the slide-out keyboard design and I'm sticking with my Treo 755p for a little while longer as I'm addicted to physical QWERTY keyboards, but not ones that I have to slide out first to access. :)
 
kironin said:
My problem with the keyboard is I don't type in Qwerty. At least with a screen keyboard it's just software to have an alternative layout.
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...which is one of many reasons why the iPhone OS is at the moment in a class by itself.

Switching between keyboard layouts on the fly is one of the most used features on my iPhone, since I tend to switch frequently between different keyboard layouts / languages due to the iPhone word recognition.
 
All in all, if I can get an Android-based phone (not necessarily this one) on AT&T's network with the limited, $15/month data plan then I think I've found my future phone OS. Android will get better, fast. And AT&T made public statements about offering Android devices ASAP, so I should be in luck.

BTW I would already have an iPhone if they didn't require a $30/month data plan. I can afford it, but it is a bit excessive. $15/month is at the limit and I will only go there because there is no good alternative.
 
1 GB starting???
that is pathetic, and the iPhone is about the same price at 8 times the memory
the firmware will fill it up
and no video player, that is crap
it is a toy not a cell phone
roughly drafted is right, they are going into a dominated market
 
Well I haven't looked it over in total detail, but if you can use any voice plan with this phone, you could get it for a total of $55/m ($25 for unlimited data + some sms, and the cheapest voice plan at $30 with 300 minutes and unlimited weekends.) I don't use SMS and I barely use the minutes on my current phone, so those are of no consequence to me.

$55 vs $75 a month for the iPhone makes this phone extremely appealing to me. Right now every penny counts for me, and a $20/m difference is highly, highly appealing for a iPhone mimicker.

Definitely perked my interest.
 
csimmons said:
-the "open, uncontrolled" Google Market. Great. Does this really matter so much to end users?

For all the bitching that some devs are doing regarding the App Store (BTW the creator of Podcaster could have been professional about it and contacted Apple and inquired about how he could make his app App Store compliant -like hundreds of other devs have done- but instead he chose to publicly whine about about being rejected, like a jilted girlfriend), I don't really see anything that makes the Google Market better for Android end users than the App Store is now for iPhone end users.
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You know, I wonder about that. You only have to look at YouTube to see what happens in a lightly moderated provisioning service (and that's what a marketplace is, paid for or otherwise). I'm not thinking of hardcore adult material, but stuff that is outright offensive or just wrong. The fact is, nasty stuff is going to appear wherever there's money or attention to be had.

I'll eat my hat if it remains unmoderated - either by Google or a third party. The carrier will demand it if things go awry (such is human nature).
 
lol... its funny to read Fanboy's comments...

I think its a good attempt from Google :p
 
This think is ugly, I am sure Google and HTC had more money to spend for design. I'd rather see this on HTC touch with a keyboard.
Than I'd say it's a competition for an iPhone, but with this design ... I'd Be very Happy to see something better than iPhone, it's not perfect, but it's better than something else. However lately att&t sux
What about competition, I think Apple will introduce copy/paste with the cumming push notification update. They always does it. Will see if I am right
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everyone should be rooting for google; iphone will remain dominant

i'm an iphone guy but i disagree with anybody here who thinks this won't be
big which i am hoping for:

-only $179 (you can get 8gb cards real cheap)
-$35/month for unlimited data/text messaging
-an app store with an sdk and without an approval process
-free push for what many consider the best email client
-amazon mp3 store
-3mp camera
-enhanced google street view
-replaceable battery

that said there are things missing:
-no multitouch!
-ugly
-seamless integration with desktop apps (though that can be done though not as well by a 3rd party)
-cannot play with itunes fairplay drm
-interface not as smooth

the whole thing about this is that ANDROID IS NOT COMPETING WITH APPLE.
THEY ARE GOING AFTER MICROSOFT. they are about one step away from killing them off. google now has a phone, a browser, email, desktop web apps. the only thing that is left is the google desktop os. they are going to be offering lower priced computers because that os is going to be free and it will be popular because it will have the google name behind it. the dark days are coming to redmond.

so to all of us apple fanboys out there i say rejoice for we are seeing what we all have been waiting for a long time: the beginning of the end of microsoft.:D
 
Stella said:
That isn't what is meant when it says 'open'....it refers to the o/s and developers can freely develop for it.
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I've never had any trouble with T-Mobile unlocking my phones though. You just call up and explain you're going on a trip to Europe or something and need to be able to use local SIM cards and they'll get you the unlock code. I doubt this phone would be much different.
 
zedsdead said:
The only advantage I see is the Amazon mp3 store. This is really becoming a thorn in Apple's side. They need to mandate that all music is drm-free, period.
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How many times do people need to say it. iTunes will be completely drm-free when the labels allow Apple to sell the music that way. Labels are allowing Amazon to sell drm-free music to prop up Amazon so the label's can become less dependent on iTunes.
 
csimmons said:
...which is one of many reasons why the iPhone OS is at the moment in a class by itself.

Switching between keyboard layouts on the fly is one of the most used features on my iPhone, since I tend to switch frequently between different keyboard layouts / languages due to the iPhone word recognition.
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How do you get it to display other country/language's keyboards? I've yet to get the Ñ key to appear even when I choose Spanish as the langauge. I still have to hit N and wait for it to pull up the menu.
 
A friend of mine currently works for Google and had mentioned to me that the so called "Google Phone" would really give some competition to the iPhone. Needless to say, he really seemed to hype the whole thing up. After seeing this official release I must say I am not impressed. Sure, push notifications is nice but essentially releasing an "iPhone competitor" with only 1GB of memory just seems silly.

Maybe it's just me but when I look at the demo video it seems like the UI on the phone is a little sluggish and sort of disorganized to a certain extend. It's almost as if Google just threw it all in there and said "here it is!" Typical Apple fanboy? Probably. However, I remember the first time I saw the iPhone the first thing that came into my head was "Wow, how awesome!" After watching the Android demo it was more like, "and...?"

Something I forgot to mention... my past experiences with T-Mobile have been awful. As much as I can sit here and complain about AT&T I'd rather be stuck with them than have to deal with T-Mobile again.
 
kironin said:
Well, I doubt this is an iPhone killer, it's likely to remain in the gadget/open software religion geeks only domain for the next year at least, but hopefully it will spur competition and drive Apple to make the next generation iPhone better.
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I completely agree. I don't think too many people will be lining up for a week to be first in line to get this.
 
nickXedge said:
I don't mean to flame or be a jerk, but I think this is the kind of attitude that is hurting the iPhone in the long run. There are too many people who think the iPhone is perfect for the fact that it's an iPhone. These same people are the ones who "understood" keyboard lag is a necessary evil and didn't mind waiting for a fix from Apple. Also, when there were 3G issues, they said it was okay because it's still an iPhone.
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Good points.

While I enjoy using my iPhone and think that it's a great device, I don't share the same fanaticism I've read which borders on believing the iPhone is perfection in white plastic.
 
This snippet from AppleInsider's live feed is quite amusing...

"Google co-founder keeps referring to the Android Marketplace as "The App Store."

Says a lot eh? :p

$25 data plan is quite impressive - basically half the cheapest UK equivalent for iPhone.
 
What I find interesting is what happens to the stability of the platform when a developer has to develop for multiple devices?

One game developer who's name escapes me (apparently one of the more popular iPhone game devs) says he has no interest in developing for the Android, due to its eventual hardware diversity. 6 months programming, 6 months debugging various devices.

Gotsta find the link, just read that yesterday......

Also, the lack of approval process is a double-edged sword. Sure it's benefits are obvious; no dictator-like final approval. But what happens when the "crap" starts trickling into the Store?
 
A few more things:

The release of this phone is likely NOT going to screw up my important email account for at least 2 weeks. This is why I switched to Gmail. My $99 a year .mac/MobileMe account was royally fudged over with the simultaneous release of software/hardware/cell service.

I love Apple, but they need to sit back sometimes and look at the big picture. What a nightmare. I hope the iPhone doesnt see the same M$ lawsuits over monopolization that was seen in Europe. I feel Apple is walking a thin line with their process of sniffing out applications. If RealPlayer were to make an App and Apple were to say it was duplicating the function of built-in Quicktime, there would be a lot of red flags thrown. This why I am a fan of jailbeaking and open app stores.

Seriously, how hard would it be for Apple to write a desktop application that checked for conflicts of applications on your iPhone? Give us cake so we can eat it too. I hope Nokia buying Symbian learns this lesson as well and drops application signing.

Lastly, did anyone make the connection between T-Mo's last press release of an upcoming open app store for their phones with this current Android phone? Doesn't seem so stupid now does it?
 
stealthboy said:
Maybe I'm just using it wrong, but I've never had the need for copy/paste on my iPhone. I find all the vitriol thrown around about its nonexistence a bit disproportionate with its potential actual use in real-life.

/my humble opinion
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+1 here on that

User of iPhone since day 1: Never needed the famous copy-paste some people complain about... Maybe these people should try the android, since it has this "vital" function... On the other hand I was much more accurate and fast with my physical Palm keyboard.... Maybe I need to practice a little more
 
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