Terrible experience with the MBP16 2019

[Passingby]

My brand new 16 inch Macbook Pro has none of these issues.

Minimal if any ghosting, no coil whine, no popping, and the battery life is a beast.

2.4ghz i9, 32GB, 4TB SSD, 8GB Graphics

You don't know how to look for the ghosting and popping. A screen requires less than 15ms response time to be considered 'minimal' ghosting. It requires less than 8ms response time and 240Hz to use the term 'if any ghosting'.

The retina screens since about 2014 have some of the lowest response times in the industry, probably to save cost and battery power. Every MacBook Pro in an Apple Store has quite obvious ghosting.

Every MacBook Pro in an Apple Store has popping speakers.

Apple didn't magically create the special no popping edition especially for you.

 

[miroki]

I have returned mine (2.4g, 64G, 2T, 5500 8M) mainly because of subpar Geekbench5 score (just below 7000). I paid extra $150 for the HK CPU model so that I didn't have to play lottery. But it appears Apple still wants me to play and I lost. I ordered another one with the same configuration and hope that I won this time. If not, I am planning to return it and not to spend $150 and go with the default i9 model.

 

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

You don't know how to look for the ghosting and popping. A screen requires less than 15ms response time to be considered 'minimal' ghosting. It requires less than 8ms response time and 240Hz to use the term 'if any ghosting'.

The retina screens since about 2014 have some of the lowest response times in the industry, probably to save cost and battery power. Every MacBook Pro in an Apple Store has quite obvious ghosting.

Every MacBook Pro in an Apple Store has popping speakers.

Apple didn't magically create the special no popping edition especially for you.

I don't have any popping coming from my speakers so I guess it's a good thing it's not in an Apple store. I also don't have this crazy amount of ghosting that people are talking about.

 

[Eldar Gezalov]

Some people are more sensitive than others. The minimal ghosting all MacBook Pros from recent years had did never bother me. The popping sound issue is more annoying, but it was solved with last update (99%). The only real problem I get with my 16 inch after 1 month is periodical freezing of the Touch Bar.

 

[happyhippo1337]

I'm still annoyed af about the coil whine / buzzing. So much that I disable Turbo Boost on this 4500€ machine. If I need it for heavy tasks, the fans kick in anyways and I can't hear the buzzing. So it's fine.
Haven't noticed much ghosting on mine. If it's there, it's way less obvious than on the terribly slow XPS screens. These are unusable for me. Displaywise MacBooks have always been rock solid compared to what Windows machines offer.

 

[Ifti]

I do not hear any coil whine or buzzing whether Im charging or not.
I use my system as I normally would and have noticed no adverse ghosting effects - nothing that I am concerned about.
I did have popping speakers but the recent update seems to have fixed it for me.

I'm rather happy with my purchase, and easily see myself keeping this system for the next few years.

 

[faust]

I dunno. I got the $2399 base configuration MBP 16" from Best Buy, and I have no issues whatsoever with it. It works really well. Might just return it anyways, but I dunno. Who knows? It's a good computer that I've been using for several hours every day.

 

[aryan.acharya9]

My experience so far with the new MBP16 is terrible, a bunch of minor, but very annoying, issues:

1. 96W charger makes some static/buzzing noise while charging the notebook (idk if it's just mine or it's "by design", anyway it's ridiculous for an expensive notebook)
2. Ghosting (reports from many users proving it)
3. Sound popping from the right speaker (reports from many users proving it)
4. Battery, mine says full charge capacity is 8610mAh, while design capacity is 8790mAh (way below what I'm seeing from other's reports). Source: coconutBattery

Anyone else feeling disappointed with the new MBP16?

Macbook Pro 16"
macOS 10.15.2
Space Gray
i9 2.4Ghz
AMD 5500M 8GB
32GB RAM
512GB SSD
US keyboard

I'm having the same issues with my charger I've swapped the charger 2 times and yet it still produces a static clicking noise and it gets really loud at times to the point where I just wanna smash the charger on the wall.My laptop also glitches out and uses both my dedicated gpu and the integrated GPU and it just drains the battery to a point that I rarely even get 3-5 hrs of usage. Its really irritating when I have to keep resetting my smc like literally 2-5 times a day.
Im using the 16" MacBook pro
i9 2.3Ghz
16Gb RAM
1TB SSD
Radeon pro 5500M 4GB
MacOS 10.15.2

 

[JChristian]

I'm having the same issues with my charger I've swapped the charger 2 times and yet it still produces a static clicking noise and it gets really loud at times to the point where I just wanna smash the charger on the wall.My laptop also glitches out and uses both my dedicated gpu and the integrated GPU and it just drains the battery to a point that I rarely even get 3-5 hrs of usage. Its really irritating when I have to keep resetting my smc like literally 2-5 times a day.
Im using the 16" MacBook pro
i9 2.3Ghz
16Gb RAM
1TB SSD
Radeon pro 5500M 4GB
MacOS 10.15.2View attachment 885415

I scheduled to send my MBP16 back. I will wait until Apple fix their ridiculous quality control so I can buy it again. If I find a great notebook for the same price (maybe the new MSI Creator 17 with mini-LED that will come in 2020) before that, I might as well ditch Apple. I have an old MBA 2013 that served me great for years, but today's Apple quality is way worse than before, sad.

If you are not 100% happy with the MBP16, send it back before your 14-day window ends.

 

[ksec]

I still dislike the Keyboard. Which part of it is the same as the Magic Keyboard 2? It doesn't feel the same to me it felt similar to the old butterfly may be slightly better.

God Damn it.

 

[mvsr]

I actually liked the keyboard better on my 2018 (not so much on my 2016 that had keys go bad) - felt like I was getting a lot of mis-hits on the new one. I would probably get used to it but I'm taking the MBP back as 16/512 just isn't enough for the price of this thing and before I pay $3600 for an i9/32GB/1TB model I'm going to look at some Windows options.

 

[faust]

I actually liked the keyboard better on my 2018 (not so much on my 2016 that had keys go bad) - felt like I was getting a lot of mis-hits on the new one. I would probably get used to it but I'm taking the MBP back as 16/512 just isn't enough for the price of this thing and before I pay $3600 for an i9/32GB/1TB model I'm going to look at some Windows options.

ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2 is pretty amazing. Very self serviceable too!

 

[1196403]

This thread proves that Apple will never be able to satisfy us all.

 

[faust]

This thread proves that Apple will never be able to satisfy us all.

Well, they created a unique computing experience and made our computers unable to be serviced after a year, during that year they will endeavor to make it not their fault, unless you’re wise and buy AppleCare. I did that for my first MacBook Pro, and yeah it’s Kinda degrading that we must pay $300+ for AppleCare+. It’s like the wisest move they ever made was offering a four year keeb replacement for the butterfly switch addled MacBooks. But tbh, Apple asks a lot of us as consumers, and a one year warranty on a $2400 computer is not good enough. I had to pay somewhere like $300 extra just to have a warranty that’ll protect that huge investment in a machine that is downright murderous if you try to service it. It’s like not for the sake of thinness either. My ThinkPad X1 Extreme is a beast. And I can unscrew four screws on the bottom of the laptop, open it up, and upgrade the RAM, SSD, and I mean Jesus Christ, it has a second, unused, perfectly useable SSD slot that I can use to throw another bit of storage in there! It’s like okay for people to expect perfection from a device that screams planned obsolescence. And heck, every day I use the 16” MBP I bought? I wonder why I just don’t return it and use my ThinkPad. I could beef that beast up for like less than half the cost of my MBP..

 

[mvsr]

This thread proves that Apple will never be able to satisfy us all.

Apple (for obvious reasons) seems more interested in the iOS world than MacOS.

An XPS 15 with the same CPU as a base MBP - upgrading to 32GB RAM myself and ordering a 2TB SSD built in, would be $2420. To get 32/2TB in a MBP with the same CPU is $3400. ($3600 for the 8 core i9 MBP)

Build quality and all that isn't much of an argument in Apple's favor, given keyboard shenanigans and the popping/freezing/etc..

For a thousand bucks, the MBP better be absolutely flawless in comparison. They're just... not. Apple is banking on all of us being invested in their ecosystem and dreading the idea of using Windows, but at a certain point it gets easier to accept that Windows isn't that bad, really...

 

[Romarrrio]

Hello mates,

I have only one annoying issue with my new MBP16.

Every 2 or 3 days after the sleep mode MBP sends me this message - restarted because of a problem.

I have already contacted service center, they told me to do this:

1. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201295
2. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204063

Let's wait and see if these manipulations help me to avoid the problem..

 

[Glenny2lappies]

I scheduled to send my MBP16 back. I will wait until Apple fix their ridiculous quality control so I can buy it again. If I find a great notebook for the same price (maybe the new MSI Creator 17 with mini-LED that will come in 2020) before that, I might as well ditch Apple. I have an old MBA 2013 that served me great for years, but today's Apple quality is way worse than before, sad.

If you are not 100% happy with the MBP16, send it back before your 14-day window ends.

Interesting. So you're saying you'd rather use WinDOS and it's correspondingly utterly awful spytastic user experience rather than listen to a buzzing PSU...

Why not use an extension lead and put it on the floor where you can't hear it?

Macs may have annoyances, but these fall into obscurity in comparison with WinDOS

Do have fun playing in the Windows ecosystem...!

 

[Donnation]

I don't have any popping coming from my speakers so I guess it's a good thing it's not in an Apple store. I also don't have this crazy amount of ghosting that people are talking about.

You won't win these arguments. The inmates run the asylum around here so just nod your head and agree.

 

[Arcadyum]

Popping sounds has been fixed in most cases with latest version of Catalina. It also occurs and on pre-16" MBPs, so is a software/T2 chip issue.

Nothing of the kind, As the crack was and remained

 

[aryan.acharya9]

I scheduled to send my MBP16 back. I will wait until Apple fix their ridiculous quality control so I can buy it again. If I find a great notebook for the same price (maybe the new MSI Creator 17 with mini-LED that will come in 2020) before that, I might as well ditch Apple. I have an old MBA 2013 that served me great for years, but today's Apple quality is way worse than before, sad.

If you are not 100% happy with the MBP16, send it back before your 14-day window ends.

It's well past that 14 day return window, i bought it the day of release and lately i'm also having issues with my battery when viewing it through system information. Apparently with just 25 battery cycles my battery has degraded by almost 10 percent. Can someone with a MacBook Pro 16 please inform me on how the much the full charge capacity is and how much is remaining after a full charge. It would be of immense help for me to claim my warranty status or swap it with another unit.
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This thread proves that Apple will never be able to satisfy us all.

I disagree, I think that Apple has done a damn good job with the MacBook this year in terms of sheer power and performance. But it's just quality control at this point.

 

[jeyf]

be VERY careful buying a MBP these days.


do not accept a situation you feel an "electrical charge when toughing" on any electrical appliance.

The new year is 2020.

 

[Erehy Dobon]

This thread proves that Apple will never be able to satisfy us all.

No one can please everyone all the time.

And not just computer manufacturers...

 

[simonmet]

ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2 is pretty amazing. Very self serviceable too!

I’m always on the lookout in PC Land for a genuine MacBook Pro competitor that ticks all of the boxes, but I always come up short. Various problems/weaknesses/limitations in other makes include:

• Off-centred keyboard
• 16:9 aspect ratio: poor for productivity and especially mapping/cartography/CAD
• Open vents on the case bottom, meaning it has to be used on a hard surface to work effectively
• Lack of a wide-gamut P3 and/or Adobe RGB display
• Large, bulky power supplies with proprietary plugs
• Poor keyboard, trackpad and/or speakers
• Small battery or terrible battery life
• Thick, bulky and/or ugly design or plastic casing
• Other build-quality or miscellaneous weaknesses (like nostril cam)
• Poor customer service reputation
• Poor resale value and options

As with other PC laptops, that ThinkPad suffers from some if not most of these.

Apple’s laptops aren’t perfect and obviously don’t serve every niche, but they fit my needs and many others far better than anything else. Apple targets premium users who value design, power, portability, reliability and service. That’s why the keyboard and other issues recently have been so disappointing.

Now that the keyboard is (hopefully) fixed and with the amazing new speakers there’s nothing else that comes close (for me) right now. That can of course change, but most other manufacturers don’t even seem to want to compete in Apple’s space for some reason; and that’s always perplexed me.

 

[AustinIllini]

I’m always on the lookout in PC Land for a genuine MacBook Pro competitor that ticks all of the boxes, but I always come up short. Various problems/weaknesses/limitations in other makes include:

• Off-centred keyboard
• 16:9 aspect ratio: poor for productivity and especially mapping/cartography/CAD
• Open vents on the case bottom meaning it has to be used on a hard surface to work effectively
• Lack of a wide-gamut P3 and/or Adobe RGB display
• Large, bulky power supplies with proprietary plugs
• Poor keyboard, trackpad and/or speakers
• Thick, bulky and/or ugly design or plastic casing
• Other build-quality or miscellaneous weaknesses
• Poor customer service reputation
• Poor resale value and options

As with other PC laptops, that ThinkPad suffers from some if not most of these.

Apple’s laptops aren’t perfect and obviously don’t serve every niche, but they fit my needs and many others far better than anything else. Apple targets premium users who value design, power, portability, reliability and service. That’s why the keyboard and other issues recently have been so disappointing.

Now that the keyboard is (hopefully) fixed and with the amazing new speakers there’s nothing else that comes close (for me) right now. That can of course change, but most other manufacturers don’t even seem to want to compete in Apple’s space for some reason; and that’s always perplexed me.

Must be nice. Using Windows on a personal machine is soul draining for me. macOS is just lightyears ahead now.

 

[simonmet]

Must be nice. Using Windows on a personal machine is soul draining for me. macOS is just lightyears ahead now.

I don’t understand how that relates to my post, but Windows is fine and better for some things. At least with Mac you get the best of both worlds.