Oh you notice it in fast scrolling text. Multi page MS document is rough when scrolling quickly, Excel and PPX are just as bad for me. No matter how you slice it the response time is terrible but you will never notice it if you have nothing to really compare it too. For most people I would assume they couldn't tell the difference.
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Terrible response times on the new MacBook pro 2021,can u feel it in daily usage ?
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That's what I think too.unless you know about it you may not be bothered,and even pleased a lot by the extra smoothness that new display brings.
Btw,I assume the experience on the iPad pro is the same am i wrong ?
Same. For me the display is fine and will be for 99% of users. I did have a serious software issue when I first got the system. The screen was dull and had a red tint like true tone was active and the screen was limited to 80% of its brightness. After a wipe and complete reinstall, the screen is now working the way it should. Compared to my XPS system the display wasn't all that impressive initially. Was setting up a return and finally just decided to do a complete wipe and fresh install overwriting the Beta (a complete PIA now). Overall I am absolutely loving the 14" system. Sold the XPS and now have another one ordered as a Christmas gift for my wife. I was nervous about not getting the 16" but this system is just perfect for me. I will be traveling on Monday so we will see how the system performs away from my home office setup.
TVs always had faster response times than monitors but they make a sacrifice elsewhere otherwise they would all cost 2X more than they already cost.
Hmm rly weird.how have you noticed the lack of Brightness?it's not that obvious is it ? Especially if u don't have a device to compare it to i mean..
Your XPS was bigger than the 14 u mean?
Which laptop has a display that is overall as good as the MBP? Overall is the test.
Get burn in. So not good overall for laptops. Fine for gaming and movies, but if you have menu bar items and dock icons showing all the time the risk of burn in is high.
Well, certainly, faster response time would be good for certain use cases. You bet that's why I have an LG CX and yeah, I totally can tell the CX is still far better for motion contents than my MacBook.
But for what I use the MacBook for, I think the response time is fine. Plus it is indeed true that the MacBook has a much more accurate display than my TV.
So you just have to pick your poison, I guess. From my experience, it's basically between these 3:
1. High resolution
2. High color accuracy
3. Fast response time
Gaming laptops and monitors typically have fast response time and maybe decent color accuracy but pretty low resolution, right? (1080p)
Then we have the breed of OLED laptops that have potentially high resolution and fast response time but poor color accuracy (black crush, over-saturation, color banding in darker scenes, etc...)
And last but not least, we have the new MacBooks, which are high resolution and very high color accuracy, but response time is not good.
For me, the trade-off is worth it. I do love the image quality and response time of my LG CX. But... in comparison to the new MacBook, brightness for HDR leaves much to be desired, and also... color accuracy in dark scenes is a major issue.
Buddy,I quote you here
"Use some historical context and understand what the limits are right now in 2021."
After I found u mini-led (which is essentially many LEDs lol) with much faster response times ,you tell me about ethe other carasteristics,such as brigtjrss,contrast,HDR
But that's not the point here.a display with not as horribly slow réponse times would have been possible ,it's not over the limits of current tech .i don't get what you're trying to say
Burn in,low brightness (especially sustained ) are currently the major drawbacks of OLED
I checked at the store today with the UFO test website
And indeed, the issue seems more pronounced on the 16" than on the 14"
Still okay for me tho
And indeed, the issue seems more pronounced on the 16" than on the 14"
Still okay for me tho
Ye most gaming display will be capped at 1440p indeed
I thought OLED was good tho?
Again,as long as the blur and ghosting is bearable,I can deal with it
Besides,unlike most monitors ,it's not like apple COULDNT do it ,they just didn't wanna,idk why lol
I mean,gaming monitors have lower res because gaming is very taxing,and they have to cut cost .but apple seems to always have had such terrible response times .
And I agree with you
Ye most gaming display will be capped at 1440p indeed
I thought OLED was good tho?
Again,as long as the blur and ghosting is bearable,I can deal with it
Besides,unlike most monitors ,it's not like apple COULDNT do it ,they just didn't wanna,idk why lol
I mean,gaming monitors have lower res because gaming is very taxing,and they have to cut cost .but apple seems to always have had such terrible response times .
And I agree with you
Nope. Own enough OLED devices and you get to see their bad side. Even Apple's iPhones are not impervious to the shift in color accuracy at low brightness levels. Switch OLED also has this problem. Gray shifts to a red/green tint at extremely low brightness level.
The LG CX is the best OLED display I have seen IMHO. It holds up very well even at extremely low brightness. But even so, it can't avoid black crush. The amount of details I can see in darker scenes now on the new MacBooks is very eye-opening. I think Mini LED and Micro LED going forward will give us much better devices overall.
Honestly, faster response time would be nice, but I'm not going to cry over it. I don't play games that require fast response time on my Mac, and I don't do animations either. I would care about it more if those are tasks that I need to do on a regular basis. Plus I can always plug the MacBook into either the LG CX or my LG 34WK95U any time for faster response time anyway.
The thing is... Apple has always had this bad a response time with all of their past devices, as you said, so this is just the norm. People have complained about this every single year... and it never changed. So at this point, I doubt Apple truly cares. We can complain but they'll just do what they think is right. That's just the way it is.
You work with pictures.do you retouch them at 150nits ,in a dim to dark room?
If not the OLED green and gray tone shouldn't be that much of a problem for you.i have an OLED phone and I only notice it in conditions that I shouldn't be in anyway (dark room,bad for eyes).
Micro-led will surely be crazy ,but I doubt well see it before 2028 honestly.
What I don't understand is WHY.wjy would apple do this on such expensive devices ,whose screens almost attain "perfection".why has it always had such horrendous response times?
The black crush issue is always present. You just need to have dark enough sections in an image. This is a good test for this problem:
Single-page version
The new MacBook is pretty much perfect. It's also completely black where the background is and the gradient is perfectly smooth all the way to white. The iPhone is also pretty good but gray starts to shift a little toward the darker parts, and it has a bit more banding.
Also would you buy a MacBook Pro 14 or 16 if Apple had better response time on their screens as well? I doubt that. You also wanted more battery life, right? Faster screen response time will also kill the battery a bit faster because the display controller needs more power pulled in to make those fast changes.
I made some close up videos just scrolling the macrumors page. The first one is a 2018 iPad Pro 12.9", the second is a MacBook Pro 2019 16", and the third is the 2021 M1 Pro 16". Of the three I think the M1 is quite an improvement personally, though definitely not as good as my Dell P2715Q desktop monitor.
GotchaThe black crush issue is always present. You just need to have dark enough sections in an image. This is a good test for this problem:
Single-page version
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The new MacBook is pretty much perfect. It's also completely black where the background is and the gradient is perfectly smooth all the way to white. The iPhone is also pretty good but gray starts to shift a little toward the darker parts, and it has a bit more banding.
Also would you buy a MacBook Pro 14 or 16 if Apple had better response time on their screens as well? I doubt that. You also wanted more battery life, right? Faster screen response time will also kill the battery a bit faster because the display controller needs more power pulled in to make those fast changes.
I AM buying the 14,even tho I don't need it tbh.nah I'm fine with battery tbh,and so are you
Hmm,do u have any idea by how much that would affect battery tho? Absolutely uneducated guess but I don't believe it would use over 4-5% more energy than current MacBooks (I'm talking about the power consumption as a whole,not just the display's)
The iPad 2018 is 120hz ? Cuz I feel it's the smoothest around there.obviously smoother than the 2019 MBP,but even better than the 2021mbp.i don't rly see less ghosting and blur on the MBP than on the iPad .do you??
I have the 2020 iPad pro which is a slight upgrade of the 2018 and I second that, it's incredibly smooth
It is indeed 120 Hz with pro motion
The iPad 2018 is 120hz ? Cuz I feel it's the smoothest around there.obviously smoother than the 2019 MBP,but even better than the 2021mbp.i don't rly see less ghosting and blur on the MBP than on the iPad .
Fwiw that ipad looks great enough to me
Hoping we'll get 120hz on Mac too...you think we will? Lol that's kind of a shame for it not being able in any browser tbh