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Happy Hammer here. Some great keeping at the end to keep us in front. Not a game I was expecting to win that’s for sure.
An excellent result for West Ham, and I am delighted to see Chelsea - with their absurdly expensive squad, indeed, I read today (Guardian/Observer) that Lukaku (who cost a mere £98million) does not even merit a team number as he has no place in the squad - humbled, and defeated so comprehensively by a motivated West Ham side that had been reduced to ten men.
 
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Apple fanboy

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An excellent result for West Ham, and I am delighted to see Chelsea - with their absurdly expensive squad, indeed, I read today (Guardian/Observer) that Lukaku (who cost a mere £98million) does not even merit a team number as he has no place in the squad) - humbled, and defeated so comprehensively by a motivated West Ham side that had been reduced to ten men.
Indeed. I read Spurs had enquired after Lukaku. Crazy that Chelsea won’t sell him or use him.
 

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An excellent result for West Ham, and I am delighted to see Chelsea - with their absurdly expensive squad, indeed, I read today (Guardian/Observer) that Lukaku (who cost a mere £98million) does not even merit a team number as he has no place in the squad) - humbled, and defeated so comprehensively by a motivated West Ham side that had been reduced to ten men.
Nearly £1b spent in 3 transfer windows, amortised over >6year contracts leading to UEFA putting new FFP restrictions in place meaning 5 year amortisation is now the maximum. Chelsea still navigated this this summer due to “not playing in a UEFA cup competition“.
 

daneoni

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Good on the Hammers. The look on Chelsea's faces was hilarious. Nico Jackson finding his start in the EPL tough.

Thiago still Chelsea's best defender by a country mile. But even he's ageing.

The £105m player missed a pen, and the £115m one conceded a 'costly' one. I jest, i know the price tag is decided by the club not the player

I wonder what success is for this CHelsea team. They don't look like they can win a trophy and they aren't guaranteed for Top 4 let alone the title

Still early days.
 

Lioness~

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I'm not much into the male football at all these days - we gotta draw the line somewhere for our time consumption of these things. Sweden's national male team aren't very exiting or inspiring after Zlatan ended his career either.

Will return with comments about Women's football - especially when it's about our great Swedish players.
We have quite a few real good players in Chelsea and Arsenal in England. Our star Rolfö plays in Barcelona and our captain Asllani in Milan. It's pretty much where my coverage stretches, especially when our national TV broadcast from those matches, which they do quite often.

The ball is round - enjoy 😊
 

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Juventus is winning 2-0 against Udinese, it's still the first half and we already have 11 players defending.

Why doesn't Allegri like scoring goals?
 

laptech

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Now that the WWC is over, I was reading numerous press articles about the game and WWC overall and two UK media outlets, the BBC and the Metro both ran an article again about why Prince William did not attend the final and whilst everyone is picking up that he and his family were on holiday and could not justify a one day long flight to Australia and back for Prince William, it was mentioned that the real reason for Prince William not going could have something to do with UK Royal protocol which specifies that no lower Royal is allowed to visit a country that has not had an official visit by the countries reigning head of state, in this case King Charles because as it happens, since he has become king he has not yet made an official visit to Australia or New Zealand and thus royal protocol meant Prince William would have been allowed to attend the final. I am sure we will all have to make our own mind up if this is true of not.

Also it is interesting to see a number of UK media reporting if the Spanish FA chief should be charge with sexual assault for planting a unwanted kiss on the lips on one of the female Spanish players.
 

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Now that the WWC is over, I was reading numerous press articles about the game and WWC overall and two UK media outlets, the BBC and the Metro both ran an article again about why Prince William did not attend the final and whilst everyone is picking up that he and his family were on holiday and could not justify a one day long flight to Australia and back for Prince William, it was mentioned that the real reason for Prince William not going could have something to do with UK Royal protocol which specifies that no lower Royal is allowed to visit a country that has not had an official visit by the countries reigning head of state, in this case King Charles because as it happens, since he has become king he has not yet made an official visit to Australia or New Zealand and thus royal protocol meant Prince William would have been allowed to attend the final. I am sure we will all have to make our own mind up if this is true of not.

Also it is interesting to see a number of UK media reporting if the Spanish FA chief should be charge with sexual assault for planting an unwanted kiss on the lips on one of the female Spanish players.
Who cares about royal protocol? Has nothing to do with football.

As for the sexual assault I’ve not seen the incident, but it does sound bad when you read it. He should be ashamed of himself.
 

laptech

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Who cares about royal protocol? Has nothing to do with football.

As for the sexual assault I’ve not seen the incident, but it does sound bad when you read it. He should be ashamed of himself.
This is the image that appears to be doing the rounds in the media, she was kissed on the lips after she had immediately collected her medal.

Hermoso-3-7d49.png
 

Sal09

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This is the image that appears to be doing the rounds in the media, she was kissed on the lips after she had immediately collected her medal.

Hermoso-3-7d49.png

You need to look at the video and not pic.

He was getting far too comfortable with every single one of them.

The player effected should make a complaint and authorities involved should take action against him.

But now a days you just never know what the hell is going on.
 
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Who cares about royal protocol? Has nothing to do with football.

Agree completely.

I understand the argument re protocol (I've worked in situations where protocol does matter), however, I also have small doubt that a way - compatible with protocol - could have been found (approved of by the current monarch) for this visit to have been made, had they chosen to do so.

I suspect that the actual decision was governed less by protocol (a convenient excuse, and, with the agreement of all concerned, protocol can change, and can be made to change) than by two other factors:

The first is old fashioned sexism, - women's football is still not considered to be worth this sort of attention, purely because it is played by women - and the second, I suspect, may have come from an unconscious inferiority complex: In other words, notwithstanding the success of the Lionesses in the Euros, I don't think that anyone in the UK had really and truly expected the Lionesses to make it to the final.


As for the sexual assault I’ve not seen the incident, but it does sound bad when you read it. He should be ashamed of himself.
Agreed.
 

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Even taking into account any cultural differences, those scenes are just... creepy and unprofessional.
Creepy, sleazy, unprofessional, (cultural differences, my eye; even on the continent, (of Europe), - where people, relative strangers, do kiss - you do not kiss strange women on the lips; you kiss them on the cheek), patronising, opportunistic, sexist, an abuse of power, and downright disgraceful and disgusting.

Disgraceful, among other reasons, because it reduced the triumph of the team by ensuring that they were to be viewed as women first and exceptionally accomplised footballers second, rather than as exceptionally accomplished footballers who happen to be women.

A man would have clocked him; a woman is expected to "put up with it and not make a scene", especially as this was such a public occasion, one where the focus should have been the achievements of women's football, and not on a powerful and entitled individual behaving in a boorish and unprofessional manner.
Mason Greenwood officially being shown the exit door by United, per a statement from the club released this morning.
Good.

Not before time.

If I were a United supporter, I would not wish to see him wearing the shirt again.

Actually, I think the club may have been surprised - and taken aback - by the large numbers (as reported in the Guardian) of their own staff who expressed strong misgivings re the possible return of Greenwood to the team.
 
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laptech

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I do not understand this stance that Prince William would have attended the final if it was the men's world cup. Have people forgotten that Prince William attended the women's FA Cup final? Have people forgotten he attended the final of the women's Euro championships? It shows when possible he does attend the finals of women's football. It is wrong that people are trying to portray him as a misogynist by saying he would have attended the final if it was the men's game.
 

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I do not understand this stance that Prince William would have attended the final if it was the men's world cup. Have people forgotten that Prince William attended the women's FA Cup final? Have people forgotten he attended the final of the women's Euro championships? It shows when possible he does attend the finals of women's football. It is wrong that people are trying to portray him as a misogynist by saying he would have attended the final if it was the men's game.
Completely forgotten yes. Because I pay no attention to what he or the rest of the hangers on do. I couldn’t give two hoots. At least it saved some tax payers money.
 

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Creepy, sleazy, unprofessional, (cultural differences, my eye; even on the continent, (of Europe), - where people, relative strangers, do kiss - you do not kiss strange women on the lips; you kiss them on the cheek), patronising, opportunistic, sexist, an abuse of power, and downright disgraceful and disgusting.

Disgraceful, among other reasons, because it reduced the triumph of the team by ensuring that they were to be viewed as women first and exceptionally accomplised footballers second.

A man would have clocked him; a woman is expected to "put up with it and not make a scene", especially as this was such a public occasion, one where the focus should have been the achievements of women's football, and not on a powerful and entitled individual behaving in a boorish and unprofessional manner.

Good.

Not before time.

If I were a United supporter, I would not wish to see him wearing the shirt again.

Avtually, I think the club may have been surprised - and taken aback - by the large numbers (as reported in the Guardian) of their own staff who expressed strong misgivings re the possible return of Greenwood to the team.
Just about the only good thing to come out of Covid was the shaking of hands stopped for awhile. Now unfortunately every salesman I meet needs to show me he hasn’t got his hand on his weapon.

Regarding Greenwood I do fear where he might end up. Just hoping it isn’t our chairman thinking he’s worth a punt!
 

laptech

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regarding the Greenwood issue, reading the statement from United, they are saying he has done no wrong but yet they are getting rid of him.

Based on the evidence available to us, we have concluded that the material posted online did not provide a full picture and that Mason did not commit the offences in respect of which he was originally charged.

While I am satisfied that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with, Mason's accepted that he has made mistakes which he takes responsibility for," Arnold said.

Mason did not commit the offences, I am satisfied Mason did not commit the acts..... if that is true then why is United getting rid of him? That statement is not going to go down well with some Women's groups because the club are basically saying that Greenwood did not commit the offences against the female victim.


 
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regarding the Greenwood issue, reading the statement from United, they are saying he has done no wrong but yet they are getting rid of him.





Mason did not commit the offences, I am satisfied Mason did not commit the acts..... if that is true then why is United getting rid of him? That statement is not going to go down well with some Women's groups because the club are basically saying that Greenwood did not commit the offences against the female victim.


It is a bit rich on the part of the club (who are clearly attempting to distance themselves from the entire debacle) to determine that Mason "did not commit the acts he was charged with" - the courts withdrew the charges because the witnesses would not testify - as they declined to testify - to support the evidence; in other words, he was not acquitted.

I can only imagine that this is a (feeble) attempt (in an ethics free environment) to prepare the ground so that they can attempt to secure some sort of fee for the player, retrieve something from the debacle, and cover their own spineless backs.

After all, if they said that the appalling published images - where it could be seen that he had clearly battered his partner - could be interpreted as a clear sign of guilt, who would be prepared to spend money on the player?
 

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I do not understand this stance that Prince William would have attended the final if it was the men's world cup.
He would have.

No question.

Have people forgotten that Prince William attended the women's FA Cup final?
That was in the UK.

Have people forgotten he attended the final of the women's Euro championships?
Okay, I had forgotten that.
It shows when possible he does attend the finals of women's football.
Fair enough.
It is wrong that people are trying to portray him as a misogynist by saying he would have attended the final if it was the men's game.
I actually think that nobody thought that England would qualify for the Women's World Cup Final, and that, therefore, nobody had given much thought to this, or made any provisional plans for a prominent person to attend the match on behalf of "England", if the Lionesses did, in fact, manage to qualify for the finals.

The distance of Australia (although the Queen of Spain attended the WWC Final, having just seen her daughter off (in person) at the start of three years of military training, the first of which is to take place at the Spanish Military Academy in Zaragoza) from Europe, may also have been a contributing factor.

The charge of sexism is valid in so far as plans were not made because - I suspect - that this was not deemed as important as a men's final, the distance (Australia is not Wembley, and nor is it Europe - travelling there from Europe does take the best part of two days), and - and this is also an important consideration to my mind - the fact that nobody really thought that England would do so well or go so far - all contributed to this.

The protocol argument, while valid, is also something of a convenient excuse, in that it could easily have been circumvented if necessary.

In fairness to William, I don't actually think that he is a sexist, and I do think that he is a genuine football fan, and I also think that had he thought of it, or been made aware that this (the Lionesses qualifying for the final) might have been a possibility somewhat sooner, that appropriate plans could have been sketched out, to be followed through, if necessary.
 
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