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City have a LOT more political 'power' than do Everton. Whilst I believe that any club found to transgress rules should be appropriately punished, I very much doubt this will come to much if anything. Large (deferred no doubt) fine, some token 'sanctions' such as a transfer ban (that will inevitably be shortened on appeal), but nothing truly punitive like docking of points/stripping of titles. Money talks...
Chelsea's transfer ban - at a time when the club wielded considerably greater clout than is currently the case - lasted at least a full season, (two transfer windows) if memory serves; Manchester City (with over 100 breaches) can expect to receive no less.
 

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Chelsea's transfer ban - at a time when the club wielded considerably greater clout than is currently the case - lasted at least a full season, (two transfer windows) if memory serves; Manchester City (with over 100 breaches) can expect to receive no less.
It's hardly a 'punishment' though is it? Clubs like Chelsea and City will have loads of good young talent out on loan, whom they can recall if needed, no doubt. And remember; Chelsea won the Cl the following season. So a temporary setback, nothing more. Punishments need to be more than a symbolic slap on the wrist.
 

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If Everton do get a 12 point deduction, it’s relegation for sure in my mind.
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Well Chelsea and City arguably gained an unfair advantage via their shenanigans, so docking points/stripping of titles would be appropriate punishment, and set a precedent. But, once again; money talks...
 

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A fine and a transfer embargo did not hit Chelsea hard, more of a slap on the wrist as some would say and I agree with that. Clubs who are rich and have depth in squad a fine and transfer embargo is not going to have any real effect on them but a points deduction will and bans from various cup competitions will.

I also think Everton have cause to complain to the Premier league for the wording used in the press towards Everton because the investigation into Man City's financial affairs came before that of Everton but yet the Premier league did not use such strong language towards Man City and City have 100 rule breaches against them. Everton on the other hand have only made consecutive losses over 3-4 years when compared to their other spending which is a breach of financial fair play rules and the Premier league are gunning for them!!! Come on Everton, get that lawyers letter in telling the Premier league what they did is not on and to apologize for the wording used.
 

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EPL can't really go against City until the evidence is confirmed. City is the EPL's current golden goose

Everton on the other hand have straddled relegation the last few seasons are much more dispensible hence the language

Fining and implementing a transfer ban against Chelsea and City, two clubs with squads worth an excess of £1bn would be laughable.

In other news, Tonali banned for 10months. AC Milan must've known about this yet banked £55m and tossed the problem on to Newcastle
 
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EPL can't really go against City until the evidence is confirmed. City is the EPL's current golden goose

Everton meanwhile who have straddled relegation the last few seasons are much more dispensible hence the language

Fining and implementing a transfer ban against Chelsea and City, two clubs with squads worth an excess of £1bn would be laughable.

Meanwhile, Tonali banned for 10months. AC Milan must've known about this yet banked £55m and tossed the problem on to Newcastle
The problem the EPL has with moving forward with the charges against Man City is where do they find the time to get various parties into court because football never stops. A court case can take months, even years. How many times will the prosecution for the EPL be told 'sorry, that person is not available due to footballing reasons' and if the prosecution pushes it, City's lawyers will just come back and say that you cannot take who you want because it will have a dire impact on the team and thus games they play. It is not going to be easy getting City into court.

As for Tonali, I read an article that was saying Newcastle are looking into AC Milan's involvement as how much they knew about the gambling and threat of a ban prior to the transfer because let's face it, AC Milan would have had some prior knowledge that the league was investigating Tonali but obviously kept it away from Newcastle. I can see Newcastle wanting the transfer to be voided and for Newcastle to get their money back.
 

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Liverpool are having a wild ride against Tolouse, it's currently 3-1 to 'Pool in the 37th minute. With knockout football you often expect a more cautious approach, but this match looks to have even more goals in it at this rate....

The problem the EPL has with moving forward with the charges against Man City is where do they find the time to get various parties into court because football never stops.
It's worse than that. Exposing and punishing Man City as financial dopers would also make the league and FA extremely vulnerable to charges of corruption, incompetence, or both. They let it happen and even encouraged it by not creating and enforcing effective financial controls. Now they are stuck in a spiral of increasing financial inequality. And Man City will try to extract maximum damage on the way down.

I can see the banning of state clubs (at least in principle), happening eventually, but even in that circumstance Man City and Newcastle will be grandfathered in.

For all the complaints though, the reality is that most fans only care about inequality when it directly effects them negatively. Man City and Newcastle fans are happy to win and look the other way. They are generally apathetic to the fate of other clubs or the overall level of fairness/competitiveness of the league.
 
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Our record breaking European run came to an end.
I think we should have played a stronger side. We brought the big guns on later on and pulled a goal back.
Still top of our group, but much tighter now.
 

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Liverpool are having a wild ride against Tolouse, it's currently 3-1 to 'Pool in the 37th minute. With knockout football you often expect a more cautious approach, but this match looks to have even more goals in it at this rate....


It's worse than that. Exposing and punishing Man City as financial dopers would also make the league and FA extremely vulnerable to charges of corruption, incompetence, or both. They let it happen and even encouraged it by not creating and enforcing effective financial controls. Now they are stuck in a spiral of increasing financial inequality. And Man City will try to extract maximum damage on the way down.

I can see the banning of state clubs (at least in principle), happening eventually, but even in that circumstance Man City and Newcastle will be grandfathered in.

For all the complaints though, the reality is that most fans only care about inequality when it directly effects them negatively. Man City and Newcastle fans are happy to win and look the other way. They are generally apathetic to the fate of other clubs or the overall level of fairness/competitiveness of the league.
City with regards to the Premier league and the FA will probably be like 'if I go down, your going down with me'. Also, if the Premier league were to hand out harsh punishment to City I reckon City will just bounce back with 'Are you sure you want to do this? because if you do we will put our support behind a new Super League bid. The FA will probably do what it did before which is to threaten removal of player licenses and all that but I read the last time they did that clubs involved would have a good case against the FA on illegal use of removal of labor. The UK is still under ECHR (European Court of Human Rights) and I believe the right to work is a human right and thus only legitimate reasons can be used for withholding labor and I think the FA would find the starting of a new football league is not a legitimate reason.
 

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It's worse than that. Exposing and punishing Man City as financial dopers would also make the league and FA extremely vulnerable to charges of corruption, incompetence, or both. They let it happen and even encouraged it by not creating and enforcing effective financial controls. Now they are stuck in a spiral of increasing financial inequality. And Man City will try to extract maximum damage on the way down.
Football has been corrupt forever. Most professional sports are in some way or other. With City, it's just about how much their owners are willing to pay to make it all go away. I dare say the threat of the UAE from some lucrative weapons/business deals with UK companies, would probably be sufficient. The corruption here is allowing such ownership in the first place; you can safely bet that various UK politicians would be implicated if there were to be a truly open investigation. So there will be loads of BTS negotiations to mitigate damage and loss on all sides. The FA will say 'look, we have to show that we are 'punishing you', and City will obviously want to continue buying success, so a Chelsea-like deal will be brokered. It will be woefully inadequate and unjust, the rest of us will roll our eyes and know that corruption has taken place yet again. And the world will keep turning.

As for Everton; their owners have nowhere near the financial power to exert; they can't scupper weapons deals worth billions, so they'll feel the full weight of the FA's sanctions. No, it's not fair. Of course it's not. But; that's Capitalism, Baby. That's how the world works. Only money talks. Everything else is just noise.
 

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The Man City case will be interesting because anything that causes City to get relegated would cause huge problems in my opinion because there is no way the Saudi's will ever be embarrassed in that manner because the world would be looking in going 'look at them, the Saudi's found to be cheating the system'. We all know money can get you out of trouble and as has already been mentioned I am sure there would be political pressure brought to bear down on the UK government. Kind of like a low end worker in the UAE embassy going to a low end civil servant 'hey, a word in your ear. The City case is causing our people some embarrassment, it needs to go away. You know that multi billion project going on in London? I hear the UAE backers are planning to pull away and go else where. Just thought I'd let you know'.

And that is how things work in the real world.
 

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City won't be relegated; even with a points deduction, - which would be richly merited and - to my mind - is the least they deserve - relegation will not threaten them, the team is too good for that.

However, a points deduction would threaten a title challenge and a European place; and, it would be nice to see City pay some price for their many (over 100, if memory serves) breaches of the FFP rules.

How, as for the argument "sports have always been corrupt", and "that is how things work in the real world".

The argument that "sports have always been corrupt" is no reason not to call it out, and attempt to make them accountable for their actions.

In business, and in politics, there are constant howls of "politics has always been corrupt", and "business has always been corrupt", but that hasn't stopped (entirely appropriate) attempts and efforts to hold them to account and to regulate them when they do fall short of the standards that they are supposed to maintain or uphold.

Likewise, the observation that "that is how things work in the real world" is no reason not to attempt to change "how things work in the real world".
 
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We all know money can get you out of trouble and as has already been mentioned I am sure there would be political pressure brought to bear down on the UK government. Kind of like a low end worker in the UAE embassy going to a low end civil servant 'hey, a word in your ear. The City case is causing our people some embarrassment, it needs to go away. You know that multi billion project going on in London? I hear the UAE backers are planning to pull away and go else where. Just thought I'd let you know'.

And that is how things work in the real world.
Exactly. Anyone who thinks otherwise, is either very naive or a fool.

Back to actual football; Liverpool showing how they can boss the Europa League, which quite frankly is a little beneath them this season, no disrespect to any of the other clubs currently in it. But they weren't good enough to get a CL place last season, so this is what they've got. Winning it would be quite good; Klopp hasn't won that trophy with Liverpool yet.

Brighton finally getting a European win, albeit against a shadow of an Ajax side. They need Ten Hag back!
 

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City won't be relegated; even with a points deduction, - which would be richly merited and - to my mind - is the least they deserve - relegation will not threaten them, the team is too good for that.

However, a points deduction would threaten a title challenge and a European place; and, it would be nice to see City pay some price for their many (over 100, if memory serves) breaches of the FFP rules.
There's been talk of retrospective action, which could see City stripped of titles (something which Liverpool could potentially benefit from, but not the way I want to see them 'win' tbh), that would actually be a statement. 'No, you haven't won X titles, because you cheated'. Never gonna happen though.

The argument that "sports have always been corrupt" is no reason not to call it out, and attempt to make them accountable for their actions.
Nobody's arguing that. I think there would be a universal consensus (amongst fans at least) that such corruption needs calling out. But it's politics; ultimately it comes down to who has power. And the only power that really matters, is money.
 

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In business, and in politics, there are constant howls of "politics has always been corrupt", and "business has always been corrupt", but that hasn't stopped (entirely appropriate) attempts and efforts to hold them to account and to regulate them when they do fall short of the standards that they are supposed to maintain or uphold.
And how's that going?

Oh...
 

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Countdown 43 min to start, Sweden-Switzerland 🔥

Our ordinary captain Seger is back to this game. Hope for more goals now.
Aslllani has done an excellent job at Seger's position, when she've healed from injury. Hope to see a more attacking Asllani now - more goals 😁
 
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In transfer news I hear the purchase of Toney is reliant on Jesus being sold.
I thought the plan was to introduce strength in depth?

Also the bottom of the table is so poor this season I’m not sure if a 12 point deduction for Everton guarantees relegation if their manager can use it to motivate the team.
 

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In transfer news I hear the purchase of Toney is reliant on Jesus being sold.
Where did you see that?

None of the Arsenal blogs (some of which have excellent - sotto voce, surreptitious - links with the club) I have consulted have suggested that this might be on the cards.

Now, yes, I do know (or, rather, I suspect) that Jesus has never quite regained full fitness ever since he was injured during the last World Cup.

However, while this is his second injury this season, he is - nevertheless - still superb for us when fit, and I cannot see any pressing need to replace him.

Okay: That hamstring requiring a scan does sound a little ominous.

nevertheless, this is still unlike Partey: Thomas Partey is a superb footballer when available, but that is not always the case.

Actually, one of the aforementioned (Arsenal) blogs - published a, quite frankly, terrifying - chart - detailing the number of injuries that Partey has suffered since he joined Arsenal, and the number of days (and, more relevantly, games) missed on each occasion, in consequence. It makes for grim reading.

Now, Partey is excellent when he is available, but, he is so injury prone, that he is not reliable, and you cannot plan on having him present.

I thought the plan was to introduce strength in depth?
As far as I know, that still stands.

However, I am not an expert, merely a fan.
Also the bottom of the table is so poor this season I’m not sure if a 12 point deduction for Everton guarantees relegation if their manager can use it to motivate the team.
I'm laughing, reading this.

Actually, going on their dismal form and performances over the last two seasons, if ever a club deserved relegation, it is Everton.
 

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Where did you see that?

None of the Arsenal blogs (some of which have excellent - sotto voce, surreptitious - links with the club) I have consulted have suggested that this might be on the cards.

Now, yes, I do know (or, rather, I suspect) that Jesus has never quite regained full fitness ever since he was injured during the last World Cup.

However, while this is his second injury this season, he is - nevertheless - still superb for us when fit, and I cannot see any pressing need to replace him.

Okay: That hamstring requiring a scan does sound a little ominous.

nevertheless, this is still unlike Partey: Thomas Partey is a superb footballer when available, but that is not always the case.

Actually, one of the aforementioned (Arsenal) blogs - published a, quite frankly, terrifying - chart - detailing the number of injuries that Partey has suffered since he joined Arsenal, and the number of days (and, more relevantly, games) missed on each occasion, in consequence. It makes for grim reading.

Now, Partey is excellent when he is available, but, he is so injury prone, that he is not reliable, and you cannot plan on having him present.


As far as I know, that still stands.

However, I am not an expert, merely a fan.

I'm laughing, reading this.

Actually, going on their dismal form and performances over the last two seasons, if ever a club deserved relegation, it is Everton.
It was in The Express. But I read it in the Sky Sports Football app.

As for Everton yes they have sailed close to the wind.
 
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