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I don't take anything for granted, but it would be a. very. good. thing. if the puppet Moshiri (and his puppeteer Usmanov) just gets as far away from the club as humanly possibly... and I'm not so sure about the "humanly" in that sentence...
Haven't researched the Friedkin Group, but hopefully they're a bit less controversial than the 777 group.
Most importantly: I hope they install some more competent people in the upper management if the club, that's been sorely missing in the Usmanov/Moshiri aera...
Friedkin Group agrees deal to buy Everton from Farhad Moshiri
The Friedkin Group has agreed a deal to buy Everton two months after pulling out of talks to purchase Farhad Moshiri’s 94.1% shareholding
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5-10 minutes of Googling has made me slightly optimistic, if the deal doesn't fall through...again.
Friedkin looks beyond reproach (even if the following - in itself - isn't the best link, perhaps):
www.independent.co.uk
Friedkin looks beyond reproach (even if the following - in itself - isn't the best link, perhaps):
Who is Dan Friedkin? The American billionaire set to buy Everton Football Club
The Friedkin Group confirmed a deal struck with owner Farhad Moshiri to buy Everton
Should have got Everton at a bargain price mind you. They have got to be one of the favourites to go down along with City after their 114 points deduction (let it be so!).
1 for every charge….
And every PL team gets a free transfer of one of their players.
We’ll have Haaland. He can be Bowen’s understudy 😜
1 for every charge….
And every PL team gets a free transfer of one of their players.
We’ll have Haaland. He can be Bowen’s understudy 😜
Optimistically: We have exactly as many points now, as we had after 5 matches last season, and survived with a clear (although not comfortable) margin, even with the deduction...
Pessimistically: This year's newly promoted teams (and the rest of the usual suspects when it comes to relegation) is a lot stronger - on paper - than last year's teams...
Realistically: If we get Branthwaite back replacing Keane in defense along side a full back or two younger than - well - Young, we should start picking up points more regularly...hopefully enough points...
I think what is going with City and the 115 charges is starting to show on at least one of the players. Haaland was never this disruptive last year. It's only been a few games into the season and already Haaland is loosing his cool what with the case against them having started.
The post where it was said they would take Haaland got me thinking. IF and it's a very big IF City are found guilty of the 115 charges and are faced with a multitude of points deductions, fines, demotions and so on. If the result was City ending up in non league, where does this stand with the players and staff? Surely their contracts would be null and void if the club was kicked out of the premier league. The players and coaching staff are not the ones at fault here, it is the clubs owners and directors and therefore they should not be forced to go down with the club as well. I am sure everyone one of the players agent's would say getting kicked out of the league due to no fault of their own means their contract is null and void which could also lead to players suing the club for putting the players in an untenable situation.
I not know contract law but how would this stand with all the club's sponsors? would they be able to tear up their contracts if City was demoted to non league football? Also, who will be the unlucky team being kicked out the league if City is demoted to one of the other leagues?
I bet the FA are crapping bricks because it is going to be a nightmare for them to rearrange everything just so they can accommodate City IF the premier league throw them out of the league. City has to go somewhere and it be up to the FA to find where. The FA cannot just put them in one of the EFL leagues because the EFL clubs would have to approve it and if they don't, tough luck City. I remember when Maidstone got kicked out due to going into liquidation and then coming back a number of years later trying to get back into the EFL but they voted to not let them back in. I believe it has happened to a number of other clubs as well. Thus City would have to be voted in by EFL clubs and to be honest I do not think the EFL clubs would do that.
Rangers suffered the same problem, was liquidated, came up with a new name and tried to get back into the league and the SPL said no. They tried to get into the next top league and the league said no. It was only have a couple of years did they finally let Rangers back into the league but it was in the lowest league. Maybe the same will happen to City, they will be kicked out the league and be told to reapply again, players gone, coaching staff gone, sponsors gone. I bet the owner would cut their losses and sell the club.
The post where it was said they would take Haaland got me thinking. IF and it's a very big IF City are found guilty of the 115 charges and are faced with a multitude of points deductions, fines, demotions and so on. If the result was City ending up in non league, where does this stand with the players and staff? Surely their contracts would be null and void if the club was kicked out of the premier league. The players and coaching staff are not the ones at fault here, it is the clubs owners and directors and therefore they should not be forced to go down with the club as well. I am sure everyone one of the players agent's would say getting kicked out of the league due to no fault of their own means their contract is null and void which could also lead to players suing the club for putting the players in an untenable situation.
I not know contract law but how would this stand with all the club's sponsors? would they be able to tear up their contracts if City was demoted to non league football? Also, who will be the unlucky team being kicked out the league if City is demoted to one of the other leagues?
I bet the FA are crapping bricks because it is going to be a nightmare for them to rearrange everything just so they can accommodate City IF the premier league throw them out of the league. City has to go somewhere and it be up to the FA to find where. The FA cannot just put them in one of the EFL leagues because the EFL clubs would have to approve it and if they don't, tough luck City. I remember when Maidstone got kicked out due to going into liquidation and then coming back a number of years later trying to get back into the EFL but they voted to not let them back in. I believe it has happened to a number of other clubs as well. Thus City would have to be voted in by EFL clubs and to be honest I do not think the EFL clubs would do that.
Rangers suffered the same problem, was liquidated, came up with a new name and tried to get back into the league and the SPL said no. They tried to get into the next top league and the league said no. It was only have a couple of years did they finally let Rangers back into the league but it was in the lowest league. Maybe the same will happen to City, they will be kicked out the league and be told to reapply again, players gone, coaching staff gone, sponsors gone. I bet the owner would cut their losses and sell the club.
The PL will not kick City out. Of that you can be sure.
Sponsors have various clauses in their contracts allowing them to pull out. Players will also have various classes in their contracts, but generally most would not be leaving just because they miss out on the CL for a year or two. Otherwise United would not have any players! 😀
Sponsors have various clauses in their contracts allowing them to pull out. Players will also have various classes in their contracts, but generally most would not be leaving just because they miss out on the CL for a year or two. Otherwise United would not have any players! 😀
There is a massive difference between being a team of PL players in the PL and missing out on CL and being a team of players in a lower league team missing out on the CL (if City were to be kicked out or demoted out due to points deduction). There is no way Haaland and co are going to play in the lower leagues because one of the points raised by an ex-football player is that City being demoted to the championship would not serve as a deterrent punishment because City would be hot favourites to immediately get promoted back into the premier league. Not exactly a worthwhile punishment now is it. The ex-player said that the punishment would have to be severe to show to all the other clubs that City would not be given and easy route back into the PL.
Like I said, I don’t think they will be leaving the PL so for me a pointless argument. Players will have their own release clause or will negotiate their exits if it were to happen. Of course some will be happy to stay and pick up the (huge) wages regardless. Depends on where you are in your career I suppose.
You got me curious then. Why don't you think City will be removed from the premiership? you are not confident City will be found guilty of any of the charges?
Guilty of some yes. Not saying I think they are only guilty of some btw. Just don’t think they will get convicted on all counts.
Then a 30 or even 40 point deduction plus a fine and transfer ban is what I think they will get. So not kicked out.
Kicking them out of the PL IS the only punishment that would be worthwhile if City are found guilty of many of the charges because City would need something that would hurt them, something to make them stop and think about wanting to do it again because if the punishment is not severe enough City's owner know they could do the same again knowing how weak the punishment would be. A fine would be pointless unless it is in the billions because the club can easily afford any fine handed to them. A transfer ban is limited in duration because UK labor laws you cannot unduly prevent a company/business from going about it's business in the hiring of employee's. As for points deduction, even if City was handed a 30 point deduction, with the strength of their squad they could easily make that deficit up and avoid one of the relegation spots because if memory serves me right, didn't Derby County with the total mess they were in have a total 22 point deduction and yet they managed to stay in their league. If Derby can do it, City most certainly can.
A 30-40 point deduction, a fine, a transfer ban would all just be seen as a slap on the hand punishment because of how powerful City are and their ability to avoid being hurt by the punishments. Points deduction, not a problem, just need to make sure they end the season one place above the relegation zone. A huge fine, not a problem, the club owners are wealthy enough to pay what ever fine is handed to them. A transfer ban, not a problem, Chelsea had a two year transfer ban and it did not appear to harm them, therefore City will be seeing it the same way, a 2-3 year transfer ban they would be able to handle. Would City be worried by any of this, certainly not.
Therefore the ONLY punishment(s) that could hurt City are being kicked out of the premiership and/or a worldwide ban on international football for 5 years which would obviously mean the cooperation of UEFA and FIFA.
I don’t disagree with you, but don’t think that is what will happen. Time will tell.
I’m football news hoping Liverpool play their C team in our cup game tonight.
The city saga will be a long painful process because they have a right to appeal every decision which means they will. And their lawyers will be state funded.
I think the EPL are already feeling the pain in their wallets having spent a rumoured £10m already to even get to this stage.
I think the EPL are already feeling the pain in their wallets having spent a rumoured £10m already to even get to this stage.
the EPL is a privately owned league therefore I am sure if they wanted and are pushed hard enough by City that the EPL could find a away to kick City out of the league. The FA would be able to huff and puff showing they are extremely unhappy but the thing is, the FA do not own the EPL. Maybe there is a disrepute clause somewhere because that is certainly what City would be doing if they kept appealing and appealing and appealing for the purpose of running the EPL funds dry so it get's to the point where the EPL would be forced to back down and let City win.
Nothing of substance, or meaning, will happen to Man City.
Money talks bullsh*t walks.
Money talks bullsh*t walks.
The thing with City is that all the charges relate to financial fair play rules and not submitting accounts on time. Whilst a number of clubs in Europe have been hit with FFP breaches, they have tended to be 1,2 or 3 over the course of 2-3 years and it's always resulted in points deduction because that FFP breaches are not considered to be a major footballing crime, thus points deduction is what fits breaking FFP.
The only reason why clubs have been hit with more severe punishments is because their footballing crimes were much much worse, corruption, bribery and match fixing which is why the clubs involved in such crimes had their league titles removed and demoted to a lower league.
Now I know in some of my post's I've talked about City being kicked out of the EPL if they are found guilty of all or many of the charges but I have to be honest here and looking back on it and seriously giving it some thought, all City have done is break various rules surround the EPL's fair play rules and the punishment for breaking those rules is just points deduction and/or a fine. The type of rules City has broken are not severe enough to justify kicking them out of the league or removing their titles.
So as much as many people will be wanting to see City punished hard, I think you lot are right, nothing much barring points deduction and/or a fine will happen to City. Each breach of the rule will carry it's own value of points deduction.
City could end up with something like 60-70 point deduction which means they would start a new season on -60 or -70 or whatever points the ruling panel seem fit. The problem the EPL will have with handing out a points deduction is that it will only be relevant to the EPL because the case against Leicester City proved that. They got handed EPL points deduction for financial irregularities whilst still in the EFL championship (they failed the EPL 3 year FFP test). The club appealed an won because the judge said the EPL could not use their time in the EFL as punishment, they could only be punished for their time in the EPL, hence they had the points removed.
So, even if the EPL handed City enough points that would see them get relegated to the EFL Championship, City will just bounce right back into the EPL the following year as some sports critics have already pointed out. Not much of a punishment is it.
The only reason why clubs have been hit with more severe punishments is because their footballing crimes were much much worse, corruption, bribery and match fixing which is why the clubs involved in such crimes had their league titles removed and demoted to a lower league.
Now I know in some of my post's I've talked about City being kicked out of the EPL if they are found guilty of all or many of the charges but I have to be honest here and looking back on it and seriously giving it some thought, all City have done is break various rules surround the EPL's fair play rules and the punishment for breaking those rules is just points deduction and/or a fine. The type of rules City has broken are not severe enough to justify kicking them out of the league or removing their titles.
So as much as many people will be wanting to see City punished hard, I think you lot are right, nothing much barring points deduction and/or a fine will happen to City. Each breach of the rule will carry it's own value of points deduction.
City could end up with something like 60-70 point deduction which means they would start a new season on -60 or -70 or whatever points the ruling panel seem fit. The problem the EPL will have with handing out a points deduction is that it will only be relevant to the EPL because the case against Leicester City proved that. They got handed EPL points deduction for financial irregularities whilst still in the EFL championship (they failed the EPL 3 year FFP test). The club appealed an won because the judge said the EPL could not use their time in the EFL as punishment, they could only be punished for their time in the EPL, hence they had the points removed.
So, even if the EPL handed City enough points that would see them get relegated to the EFL Championship, City will just bounce right back into the EPL the following year as some sports critics have already pointed out. Not much of a punishment is it.
Hammarby IF (knickname, Bajen) are through to Champions League after won the double meeting qualification against Benfica with 3 - 2 (total)
Lost 1st match: 1 - 2 in Stockholm
Won 2nd match: 0 - 2 in Befica Campus, Portugal.
Nice to have at least 1 team (this far) in WCL 👍🏼⚽️
See how it will go for Arsenal - Häcken tomorrow?
Lost 1st match: 1 - 2 in Stockholm
Won 2nd match: 0 - 2 in Befica Campus, Portugal.
Nice to have at least 1 team (this far) in WCL 👍🏼⚽️
See how it will go for Arsenal - Häcken tomorrow?