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The Car Thread ... !

AutoUnion39 said:
I've been seeing a test mule CT6 around Boston recently.

Doesn't have the proportions of a flagship at all
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See, I kinda like it, but do agree, it's not an S-Class/7 Series/A8 fighter... Isn't a model coming out that's above the CT6?

I've always thought that the recent Caddies need some proportion tweaking. Like the stealthy look, but something about their hood and deck lid form seems a tiny bit off.
 
Plymouthbreezer said:
See, I kinda like it, but do agree, it's not an S-Class/7 Series/A8 fighter... Isn't a model coming out that's above the CT6?

I've always thought that the recent Caddies need some proportion tweaking. Like the stealthy look, but something about their hood and deck lid form seems a tiny bit off.
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We don't really know, because Cadillac is just not very good at selling cars. The CTS and ATS are just not doing well.
 
Opinions on the Jaguar F Pace?

I think it looks fantastic. Probably near the top in its class. Also offered in the US with a diesel, but only a 4 banger :(

Pricing also seems in line with the comparable Audi/BMW/Mercedes-Benz

That being said, I'm not sold on Jaguar's typical lack of reliability and resale value. Will have to test drive it next year

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Love it. Some designs just hit me as fantastic immediately and this is one - it's got character without being cartoony or overstyled, the design is really well balanced, front-to-back, top-to-bottom, the proportions are right on - it even has a nice dash of sportyness ( I could imagine this same design with a nice TT 6 cylinder in the 350-375HP area...)
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
Well they are next door to each other at Gaydon and road test along the same stretch of road (B4100). I see quite a few disguised cars along there with stealth paneling and zebra paint lol.
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Well, they are the same company after all. Anyone know if the F Pace is built of a Land Rover chassis? I imagine they're using the same engine design as they have been for the past ~10 years (with some modification in the LR's for all those 100k Range Rovers being taken off road).

I'm curious if the Jag will cannibalize Land/Range Rover sales though. The F Pace is a beaut but I hope they can differentiate it enough.

And why is my TTM (Tata Motors- parent of J-LR) stock doing so poorly!?
 
A.Goldberg said:
Well, they are the same company after all. Anyone know if the F Pace is built of a Land Rover chassis? I imagine they're using the same engine design as they have been for the past ~10 years (with some modification in the LR's for all those 100k Range Rovers being taken off road).

I'm curious if the Jag will cannibalize Land/Range Rover sales though. The F Pace is a beaut but I hope they can differentiate it enough.
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Based on the new modular Jaguar platform that is underneath the XE and the new XF. Will also be in the new XJ.

I originally thought it was a reskinned RRS or Evoque, but I guess I was wrong.

And why is my TTM (Tata Motors- parent of J-LR) stock doing so poorly!?
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Jaguar is still struggling to sell cars :(

Lots of turmoil in the Indian car market too.
 
AutoUnion39 said:
Based on the new modular Jaguar platform that is underneath the XE and the new XF. Will also be in the new XJ.

I originally thought it was a reskinned RRS or Evoque, but I guess I was wrong.


Jaguar is still struggling to sell cars :(

Lots of turmoil in the Indian car market too.
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I figured they were going to do a reskin! This isn't the Disco Sport platform is it? I guess the Jaguar will probably better fulfill a car like feel with the car platform. I will be very disappointed if LR decides to start using car frame in their "real" SUVs. It's just the purist in me.

Jaguar struggling to sell cars... That's nothing new. In the past 6 months or so their stock had gone from ~$50 to ~$25 (or lower). I'm still on top by a very good margin but wow, what a plummet. Where the F is my broker?

With regards to the F Pace in the U.S., at this point even if people wanted to by it, there is nowhere left to buy one! The Jag dealers, much like wild jaguars, have been going extinct! Talk about an endangered species...

I think CT has 1 dealer left and it was built because the remaining one went out of business so Jag corporate had to come in with their own showroom.
 
A.Goldberg said:
Was that the car show downtown this last weekend? How was it? I mean to go with my buddy but it didn't end up happening.
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Yeah it was yesterday. Nothing too special. I only went to see the F1.

There were a few other things, like a Huracan, Aventador, 650S, etc, but didn't bother taking pictures of them.
 
I saw this a few months back, (Finally took a picture today) on a 60s ChevyVan with a Vanity Collector plate and i stood there laughing my ass off for a good 2 minutes!
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A.Goldberg said:
I figured they were going to do a reskin! This isn't the Disco Sport platform is it? I guess the Jaguar will probably better fulfill a car like feel with the car platform. I will be very disappointed if LR decides to start using car frame in their "real" SUVs. It's just the purist in me.
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Yeah, it's not the Disco Sport platform. I think that's just a reskinned Ford platform from ages ago and is under the LR2 right now. This is also a little bigger I think. Somewhere between the Cayenne and Macan in size.

Jaguar struggling to sell cars... That's nothing new. In the past 6 months or so their stock had gone from ~$50 to ~$25 (or lower). I'm still on top by a very good margin but wow, what a plummet. Where the F is my broker?
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We're seeing an influx of new product (finally). Hopefully, people will buy them.

With regards to the F Pace in the U.S., at this point even if people wanted to by it, there is nowhere left to buy one! The Jag dealers, much like wild jaguars, have been going extinct! Talk about an endangered species...

I think CT has 1 dealer left and it was built because the remaining one went out of business so Jag corporate had to come in with their own showroom.
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This is a fantastic point. I can walk 5-10 minutes from my house and land on Porsche, Audi, and BMW dealers in Boston. The closest Jag/LR dealer is in Wayland off Rt 20. If they want the XE and FPace to take off around here, they need to open a showroom closer to Boston.

I grew up in a town in Maine where we've had a Jag/LR dealer for over two decades. Even now, it's a sad place to drive by. The only cars that sell are their used German inventory.
 
AutoUnion39 said:
Yeah, it's not the Disco Sport platform. I think that's just a reskinned Ford platform from ages ago and is under the LR2 right now. This is also a little bigger I think. Somewhere between the Cayenne and Macan in size.


We're seeing an influx of new product (finally). Hopefully, people will buy them.



This is a fantastic point. I can walk 5-10 minutes from my house and land on Porsche, Audi, and BMW dealers in Boston. The closest Jag/LR dealer is in Wayland off Rt 20. If they want the XE and FPace to take off around here, they need to open a showroom closer to Boston.

I grew up in a town in Maine where we've had a Jag/LR dealer for over two decades. Even now, it's a sad place to drive by. The only cars that sell are their used German inventory.
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Yeah the LR2 is based of the Volvo S80. I agree, if the dealers not convenient, no one will buy them. They don't seem to have a problem selling Land Rovers (though there are 3 LR dealers in the metro area within 20-30 min of Boston- Norwood, Sudbury, and Peabody, whereas there is only 1 Jag). I think LR might need to start selling Jaguar :p
 
I find it odd that nobody is talking about the VW "defeat switch" that they used in their diesel cars to meet emission standards. I searched but I didn't find any thread talking about this, unless one was moved to PRSI. Thoughts, comments?
 
A.Goldberg said:
Well, they are the same company after all.
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I hadn't realised they were the same company any more. It's weird when security is so tight between the two sites and their owners are listed as different groups. I know they share stylists though. Drive up to Landrover and they let you in, do the same at Aston Martin and they interrogate you lol.
 
John Jacob said:
I find it odd that nobody is talking about the VW "defeat switch" that they used in their diesel cars to meet emission standards. I searched but I didn't find any thread talking about this, unless one was moved to PRSI. Thoughts, comments?
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So, in one way, it's not as bad as the takata, GM scandals, in that those were mistakes that killed people, albeit both withheld their issues for some time. On the other hand, I don't think I will ever buy anything from VAG for a while, because we now know we absolutely cannot trust what they say about their cars. I would be furious if VW told me my theoretical Golf TDI needed to be detuned to meet emissions standards. I bought the car believing the standards were a certain way with a certain performance.

From a business perspective, this is a disaster for VAG.

Also, they need to change their slogan from "Truth in Engineering" to something else.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
I hadn't realised they were the same company any more. It's weird when security is so tight between the two sites and their owners are listed as different groups. I know they share stylists though. Drive up to Landrover and they let you in, do the same at Aston Martin and they interrogate you lol.
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I'd love to go to the Land Rover factory. Land Rover and Jaguar are now owned by Tata Motors, an Indian company. Aston Martin is now owned by a group of companies, but primarily Prestige Motor Holdings (Luxembourg), some other venture capitalists, and 5% by Daimler. LR, Jag, and Aston were of course previously owned by Ford- who clearly put a lot of effort into ensuring their success :rolleyes:
 
A.Goldberg said:
I'd love to go to the Land Rover factory. Land Rover and Jaguar are now owned by Tata Motors, an Indian company. Aston Martin is now owned by a group of companies, but primarily Prestige Motor Holdings (Luxembourg), some other venture capitalists, and 5% by Daimler. LR, Jag, and Aston were of course previously owned by Ford- who clearly put a lot of effort into ensuring their success :rolleyes:
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Say what you will, but my overall impression is that Ford ownership had a net positive effect on the brand, or at least in terms of reliability and other issues that have constantly plagued them.

Although I've not owned a Jaguar-Ford built or otherwise-I've been very favorably impressed with the handful I've test driven including the XK8 that I would love to own.

My main vehicle came about as platform sharing between FoMoCo and Jaguar(although there are substantial differences in the two) with a platform developed primarily for Jaguar and still used by them, and anyone who has read my posts on here knows that I'm still absolutely nuts about it.

We can debate styling and the like, but I do think that Ford at least managed to keep the brand afloat and turn out some solid-if not particularly hot selling-products. I still love the looks of the XK8/XKR.
 
Well LR and Jaguar's British history makes it surprising they're here in the first place. Most people were disappointment with the build quality of the S and X-type in particular, though I suppose that's subjective. Considering the cost and competition, it wasn't exactly a good deal. Jaguar never turned a profit under Ford (in almost 20 years of ownership). I Ford certainly kept Jaguar alive to some degree, but out little effort in keeping the brand cutting edge- rather see how they could turn a Ford into a Jaguar. Under Tata, I think they got a lot more attention and money to actually produce an impressive and remotely competitive product. They did help with dismal reliability and quality, but they did little to make Jaguar a car worthy of remotely rivaling the competition (especially in the smaller segments, which is where all the money is. They're just figuring that one out).

I appreciate your love of Jaguar- I'm a big fan of the (classic looking) XJ's. But in the not so distant past their sales quite bad and pretty gave them the money to stay afloat.

Land Rover on the other hand did not exactly flourish until Tata took over. BMW did a great job over complicating the vehicles. Ford did keep LR alive and make some slight quality improvements, but much of LR's design success was carried through from BMW's ownership.
 
John Jacob said:
I find it odd that nobody is talking about the VW "defeat switch" that they used in their diesel cars to meet emission standards. I searched but I didn't find any thread talking about this, unless one was moved to PRSI. Thoughts, comments?
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I'm shocked that the CEO refusing to stepdown. But what will happen to these cars after the repairs are made to them?
 
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