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Cross-shop. The MKC competitors are either more fun or more reliable, but you should buy what's best for you.
That's valid.

The MKC is a fancy Ford Edge. She should be looking at the RDX in that price point too.

The X3, Q5, and GLC are a pretty big jump in price.
 

AustinIllini

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Today, Cadillac announced the XT5

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2017-cadillac-xt5-poses-for-its-first-official-pictures/

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^looks like a bloated rebadged Equinox. The long DRLs down the front bumper are dreadful

I think it's frightening. :eek:
Yeah, the design is pretty bad. Still looks better than the Acura beak though.
 
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I have to agree on the color. It looks a return to the 1970s "metallic poop brown."
Yeah, I can't help but think this car would look much classier in a nice metallic blue or even grey.

With that said, it's finally a Bentley that looks like a Bentley again!
Exactly. It has that "in your face" looks of a true Bentley.
 

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I'm with AutoUnion on this, new Bentley SUV is hideous. The "problem" with Bentley and Rolls Royce coming out with SUV's is that all their cars look the same and doesn't necessarily translate well as a SUV. I think Rolls Royce's are works of art on the road but I'm not holding my breath for something beautiful like the Ghost, Wraith and Dawn - the look just doesn't do well in a SUV shell. Though, if there is one company that could do it, it would probably be Rolls Royce - they're too smart to release something that would be criticized.
 

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I have to say, the Bentley is an interesting vehicle. They did a pretty good job of maintaining the quintessential Bentley look in an SUV package. That said, I think its proportions are a little odd. From the profile views, the angle of the front does not match the rear making for an awkward appearance- it almost looks like it's drooping in the front (much like the Lincoln SUV), but also saggy in the rear (much like a Nissan Quest)- despite it's somewhat angular lines. So yes, this car pretty much shares the anatomy of an old woman.

While this is a unique looking vehicle, undoubtably Kia/Hyundai will produce a similar looking product for 1/10th of the price.

Color is terrible, but I love it. It looks like a proper Bentley. Can't wait to see them on the road
I'm guessing all the hags who drive Continentals in Chestnut Hill will have to trade them in for the Bentayga. Chestnut Hill Mall is a good place to start looking.

I'm actually very curious how the Bentayga will sell. I see endless numbers of Range Rovers around (not just the Sport). The base RR is $85,000. The majority of them seem to be the Range Rover Supercharged SWB ($103,000 base). I've seen a few LWB Supercharged ($108,000 base) and SWB Autobiographies ($139,000 base) around town. $200,000+ is a big jump, but people seem to be willing to shell out a lot of money for their SUVs.

The Range Rover has long been the ultimate SUV status symbol. They've just been outdone, regardless of how good or bad the Bentayga is. Land Rover's track record of reliability, quality, and design has up until very recently been even close to consistent with their price tag and brand image.
 

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Cross-shop. The MKC competitors are either more fun or more reliable, but you should buy what's best for you.
Thanks will do. The Lincoln suv has some nice features like the light in the inside of the door and outside of the car as you approach the car, so that you can see where you are walking in the dark. It was easier for my mother to get in and out of than the ES350. It also had more power than the es350.
 
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So long story short ... I checked out a Ford Explorer Sport. This is the "hotrod" Explorer model powered by an [easily tuned] 3.5L TT V6 with 365HP/350TQ.

I like it _quite_a_bit_.

It was "tri-coat" white like this:

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^ One of my buddies rented one of these new Explorers to move recently. It is HUGE. Very nice car for the money. I bet the EcoBoost 3.5 moves well!

I'm with AutoUnion on this, new Bentley SUV is hideous. The "problem" with Bentley and Rolls Royce coming out with SUV's is that all their cars look the same and doesn't necessarily translate well as a SUV. I think Rolls Royce's are works of art on the road but I'm not holding my breath for something beautiful like the Ghost, Wraith and Dawn - the look just doesn't do well in a SUV shell. Though, if there is one company that could do it, it would probably be Rolls Royce - they're too smart to release something that would be criticized.
Random thought... Rolls Royce has the coolest model names in the industry. Wraith... Phantom... Ghost... Dawn...

They sound great. :)

(I think the upcoming BMW X7 is supposed to spawn a Rolls variant, so it will be properly ostentatious in terms of size!)

I have to say, the Bentley is an interesting vehicle. They did a pretty good job of maintaining the quintessential Bentley look in an SUV package. That said, I think its proportions are a little odd.
I agree about the proportions. It looks sort-of Audi-esque... which makes sense because it's based on the Touareg/Q7/Cayenne. However, the proportions of the Cayenne are far neater than this Bentley.

I think I need to see it in person first. I hated the Mulsanne in press pictures, but it looks amazing IRL.

I'm guessing all the hags who drive Continentals in Chestnut Hill will have to trade them in for the Bentayga. Chestnut Hill Mall is a good place to start looking.
:)

I'm actually very curious how the Bentayga will sell. I see endless numbers of Range Rovers around (not just the Sport). The base RR is $85,000. The majority of them seem to be the Range Rover Supercharged SWB ($103,000 base). I've seen a few LWB Supercharged ($108,000 base) and SWB Autobiographies ($139,000 base) around town. $200,000+ is a big jump, but people seem to be willing to shell out a lot of money for their SUVs.

The Range Rover has long been the ultimate SUV status symbol. They've just been outdone, regardless of how good or bad the Bentayga is. Land Rover's track record of reliability, quality, and design has up until very recently been even close to consistent with their price tag and brand image.
It will probably be the most successful Bentley ever. Basically a reboot of what the Cayenne did for the Porsche brand.

The Range Rover has always been at the top of the SUV hierarchy. The current Cayenne seems to have finally elevate itself into the same marketplace as the RR though. It's crazy how many RR/RRS/Cayennes are in Brookline/Newton/Chestnut Hill.

Now, the competition is only getting tougher. Benz GL Maybach, BMW X7, Rolls SUV, Maserati SUV (probably a fancy JGC), and VAG has already announced a Lamborghini SUV...
 
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determined09

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It's unfortunate that the reliability on the Lincoln isn't that good. My dad has been try give away his old Lincoln town car to the lady that drives his sister around the little country town that she lives in. Dad's sister never learned to drive. That lady didn't wouldn't take dad's Lincoln Anyway, There's a part ( I forgot the name of that part) that controls the seat that is very hard to find. He had to get it an used twice
 
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It's unfortunate that the reliability on the Lincoln isn't that good. My dad has been try give away his old 1999 Lincoln town car to the lady that drives his sister around the little country town that she lives in. Dad's sister never learned to drive. Anyway, There's a part that controls the seat that is very hard to find. He had to get it an used part.

I'd probably disagree with this supposed lack of "Lincoln reliability" but whatever...

I assume you're talking about the power seat switch, which was the same on the 98-2002 model Town Car and only aesthetically different in the '03-'11 model. I've never found it to be a particularly problematic part across four different Town Cars and 400,000+ cumulative miles in this year range(three that my mom owned, one my grandfather owned). It's not all that unusual to have to find a part like this used for a 15 year old car.

I realize that we anecdotal evidence doesn't necessarily dictate reliability, but I've had pretty extensive experience with a number of different Lincolns from model years '97 to 2010. This includes five Towncars('97 and '01 my grandfather owned, '98, '02, and '06 my mom owned), three Continentals('98, '99, and '01 my dad owned), an LS('04, my daily driver since 2008 with 80,000 miles in that time), and a 2010 MKZ(bought new by my grandfather-now my dad's DD). In that time, the vast majority of the work on them would be things that would be classed as routine maintenance.

Every Town Car had ignition coil problems past 100,000 miles, but this is a wear item-it takes me about 15 minutes to change one on a Town Car(including the time to drive to Autozone and have them read the misfire code so I know which one to change) and that particular coil is good for another 100K. I did all eight on my LS a little over a year ago, but primarily because I was having issues tracking down the bad one and it's a difficult enough job on that car that I decided to just bite the bullet and do all of them. My grandfather had issues with the airbags(suspension airbags, not the collision parts) on both of his TCs, but I think that was related to living in the mountains and his somewhat "aggressive" driving style-plus not addressing problems when they first appeared and waiting until the entire system took a crap.

Overall, my anecdotal experience with Lincoln-and with Town Cars in particular-is that their reliability is excellent. That's not to say that they're infallible, but when problems show up they are usually easy to track down as well as easy and cheap to fix. The fact that probably the largest market for Panther platform vehicles was a market Ford knew they would get the crap beaten out of them(both as Police cars and as livery vehicles) helps both of these.
 
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I'd probably disagree with this supposed lack of "Lincoln reliability" but whatever...

I assume you're talking about the power seat switch, which was the same on the 98-2002 model Town Car and only aesthetically different in the '03-'11 model. I've never found it to be a particularly problematic part across four different Town Cars and 400,000+ cumulative miles in this year range(three that my mom owned, one my grandfather owned). It's not all that unusual to have to find a part like this used for a 15 year old car.

I realize that we anecdotal evidence doesn't necessarily dictate reliability, but I've had pretty extensive experience with a number of different Lincolns from model years '97 to 2010. This includes five Towncars('97 and '01 my grandfather owned, '98, '02, and '06 my mom owned), three Continentals('98, '99, and '01 my dad owned), an LS('04, my daily driver since 2008 with 80,000 miles in that time), and a 2010 MKZ(bought new by my grandfather-now my dad's DD). In that time, the vast majority of the work on them would be things that would be classed as routine maintenance.

Every Town Car had ignition coil problems past 100,000 miles, but this is a wear item-it takes me about 15 minutes to change one on a Town Car(including the time to drive to Autozone and have them read the misfire code so I know which one to change) and that particular coil is good for another 100K. I did all eight on my LS a little over a year ago, but primarily because I was having issues tracking down the bad one and it's a difficult enough job on that car that I decided to just bite the bullet and do all of them. My grandfather had issues with the airbags(suspension airbags, not the collision parts) on both of his TCs, but I think that was related to living in the mountains and his somewhat "aggressive" driving style-plus not addressing problems when they first appeared and waiting until the entire system took a crap.

Overall, my anecdotal experience with Lincoln-and with Town Cars in particular-is that their reliability is excellent. That's not to say that they're infallible, but when problems show up they are usually easy to track down as well as easy and cheap to fix. The fact that probably the largest market for Panther platform vehicles was a market Ford knew they would get the crap beaten out of them(both as Police cars and as livery vehicles) helps both of these.
Thank you!
 

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I've seen one NX at the parking lot at work and about three on southeast side of the my city. I just love the NX sport edition. :D
 
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